So, the military has taken over 5 long term care homes..

[Wilbur ★]

..in Ontario and they are doing the same in Quebec.   It started as relief for the workers but they are remaining for now until there is resolve to inhumane conditions the elderly are being exposed to. 

Then it dawned on me, wait!  This is medical care, it is just long term.  Why are these not government facilities like hospitals?  Is this yet another tier of healthcare predicated on socio-economic conditions?  I think we should commit to taking them out of private hands where there has been abuse and neglect and make them part of a cradle to grave healthcare system the government so proudly states we have.  We don't.  Not even close. 

My rant for the day.  BTW, it has been this way under all political parties so it isn't a partisan problem. 

[Kzoo]

Here they stay under private management and the governors order them to accept Covid patient so the entire facility population gets infected and then the governors complain about old people dying.  There are governors that should be strung up for homicide.

And yes governors from both parties here have done it.

 

[Parsnip Totin Jack ★]

5 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

My rant for the day.  BTW, it has been this way under all political parties so it isn't a partisan problem. 

Valid rant. Nursing homes in the US are also run for profit. Deliver barely adequate care for a lot of money. Where my Mom is, she is paying close to $8k per month. My aunt can’t afford that on just Social Security. She lives alone in an apartment with home health aides visiting three days a week and her daughters (2) covering the other days. She is luckier than others with no family and little income. 

[Wilbur ★]

The closer I get to being a senior, the more relevant it becomes of course but when I look at the poor medical my Dad received in his last months and the poor care my mother is receiving,  the more it becomes obvious as to the shortfalls of societies treatment of aging.   They are no less a people and no less deserving of care.  I find it disheartening.  Maybe this will become my new cause.   

[Randomguy]

Please don't bitch about free healthcare.  Yeah yeah, I know, it ain't free, but it ain't predatory like it is here, either.  Insurance companies and hospitals/medical professionals are just waiting to find new fresh ways to fuck you in the ass here and ruin your entire family to make another nickel.  We have the shittiest system in the developed world, so I am not having this Canadian don't-fuck-me-in-the-ass-forever system is worse than ours.  Yeah, yours has some problems, ours are ruinous to generations.

That is my back-at-you rant.

You are welcome for the psychological and worst-case financial perspective reset.

[Zephyr]

We had the same conversation the other day.  A friends wife is an RN at one of the local homes, and has been at the same one through three different ownerships, each coming with their own cost saving ideas to the point she says she does not want to work there any longer

My MIL was a RN in one for years and has always said she never wanted to end up in one, but with her dementia starting to manifest more and more often with her still physically healthy, that is likely where she is heading

[Razors Edge ★]

1 minute ago, Wilbur said:

The closer I get to being a senior, the more relevant it becomes of course but when I look at the poor medical my Dad received in his last months and the poor care my mother is receiving,  the more it becomes obvious as to the shortfalls of societies treatment of aging.   They are no less a people and no less deserving of care.  I find it disheartening.  Maybe this will become my new cause.   

It remains a disgrace in many ways (in the US), but sadly, it also becomes more and more intractable as people live longer, and those longer lives become very expensive to support. Likewise, the family dynamic has changed so that folks no longer live in a multi-generational home like yesteryear where three or four generations was the NORM rather than rare.    My 73 year old mom is still relatively independent, but for how much longer? And where does she go from there?

[Kirby]

As I race closer to needing senior care, I realize how important it is to have relatives who are alert and can advocate on your behalf.  Unfortunately for me, I don't have kids, but I do have some hope for my nephew and niece.  This also makes me realize how fortunate it is to have people at the facilities who are genuinely caring and compassionate.  Another reason why the people living in Petite's senior living facility are so lucky to have her. 

[maddmaxx ★]

35 minutes ago, Kzoo said:

Here they stay under private management and the governors order them to accept Covid patient so the entire facility population gets infected and then the governors complain about old people dying.  There are governors that should be strung up for homicide.

And yes governors from both parties here have done it.

 

Some governors are smart enough to designate some nursing homes for covid patients only so as to provide a place for them to go when released from the hospital.  No other nursing homes are required to take them in.  CT reactivated several closed nursing homes for this as a responsible way to deal with the recovery of covid patients without endangering others.

[Wilbur ★]

4 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

Please don't bitch about free healthcare.  Yeah yeah, I know, it ain't free, but it ain't predatory like it is here, either.  Insurance companies and hospitals/medical professionals are just waiting to find new fresh ways to fuck you in the ass here and ruin your entire family to make another nickel.  We have the shittiest system in the developed world, so I am not having this Canadian don't-fuck-me-in-the-ass system is worse than ours.

That is my back-at-you rant.

You are welcome for the psychological and worst-case financial perspective reset.

People that call our healthcare  "free" have been intellectually marginalized.  We pay taxes on taxes in Canada and on everything you do and purchase, even re-purchase.  This is why a $15 bottle of vodka in the US becomes $45 in Canada whose dollar trades at a 30% discount.  Same for auto pricing.  Same for clothing.  We pay very dearly for "free" healthcare.   So, take your pay, reduce it by 48% for income tax, then reduce it by 15-30% again for dollar differential, then 15% for sales taxes on goods that are increased by 20-200%  in manufacturing taxes or import duties and you will have the purchasing power of a Canadian.  Free healthcare... lol

[Wilbur ★]

13 minutes ago, Razors Edge said:

It remains a disgrace in many ways (in the US), but sadly, it also becomes more and more intractable as people live longer, and those longer lives become very expensive to support. Likewise, the family dynamic has changed so that folks no longer live in a multi-generational home like yesteryear where three or four generations was the NORM rather than rare.    My 73 year old mom is still relatively independent, but for how much longer? And where does she go from there?

What I am seeing is a nessecetated move back to multi-generational housing.  Housing prices alone in any major centre in Canada are driving this.  Yes, we are living longer but that doesn't render a person, less valuable as a person.   I feel for your Mom.  Eventually, you should move out of the poor lady's basement.   

[Allen ★]

16 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

What I am seeing is a nessecetated move back to multi-generational housing.  Housing prices alone in any major centre in Canada are driving this.  Yes, we are living longer but that doesn't render a person, less valuable as a person.   I feel for your Mom.  Eventually, you should move out of the poor lady's basement.   

That’s what we did. After my father’s wreck it was either put him in a home (which in my experience are all substandard) or me move home (from one side of the farm back to their house) to care for them. I’m not married so it was an easy decision. 
My cousins are doing the same thing for my aunt and uncle. They have a spread up in the mountains. Like me one of their children never married. He moved in with them right before lockdown. 
 

[maddmaxx ★]

I'm using the wrong word.  What I described in CT is not what some call nursing homes but rather convalescent homes where people go for rehabilitation after being released from the hospital.  We have dedicated homes for covid patients instead of forcing them into regular homes.  These homes will accept rehabilitation patients and long term patients that have had covid 19

[shootingstar]

2 hours ago, Randomguy said:

Please don't bitch about free healthcare.  Yeah yeah, I know, it ain't free, but it ain't predatory like it is here, either.  Insurance companies and hospitals/medical professionals are just waiting to find new fresh ways to fuck you in the ass here and ruin your entire family to make another nickel.  We have the shittiest system in the developed world, so I am not having this Canadian don't-fuck-me-in-the-ass-forever system is worse than ours.  Yeah, yours has some problems, ours are ruinous to generations.

That is my back-at-you rant.

You are welcome for the psychological and worst-case financial perspective reset.

For elderly needing long term nursing care..there are a variety of choices.  If choice is even the correct one.  The truly publicly funded and with staffing affiliated with the hospitals..are the best ones.  Usually the facilities may have physicians and other professionals who are also involved in research on various diseases/conditions of the elderly. There are huge waiting lists ...ie. for several years.

Then other facilities that are private companies but partially publicly funded.. it doesn't mean they're better. In fact, some horrible cases right now.

Then 100% ;private for profit nursing homes which are very expensive.

The way how I see it is:  my own effort to remain healthy...to keep myself out of such a facility for a long time. That's why I choose to live in neighbourhoods where I live very close to shops, services, parks, etc. Yes, the mantra for those neighbourhoods are from 8 yr. to 80 yrs.  Safe for the young and old, not completely isolated from people.

 

[12string]

My, we have become soft.  On D-Day, the greatest generation took over Axis controlled Europe.  Today, the military took over elderly care homes.   Any casualties from Tapioca being spewed at them?

[shootingstar]

10 minutes ago, 12string said:

My, we have become soft.  On D-Day, the greatest generation took over Axis controlled Europe.  Today, the military took over elderly care homes.   Any casualties from Tapioca being spewed at them?

Either work is honourable, 12string.

[Wilbur ★]

3 minutes ago, 12string said:

My, we have become soft.  On D-Day, the greatest generation took over Axis controlled Europe.  Today, the military took over elderly care homes.   Any casualties from Tapioca being spewed at them?

I know it is easy to poke fun at the situation but with employees not showing to work and others down sick, there was no choice.  There are cases of 200 patients to each employee and people lying for days in their feces and urine soaked beds.  People being left to die.  I find it absolutely third world and totally unacceptable. 

[12string]

11 minutes ago, shootingstar said:

Either work is honourable, 12string.

I do agree.  I admire what they are doing, not a job I want.

It's just that the thread title struck me as odd.  Sorry, didn't intend to make light of their work

[Razors Edge ★]

1 hour ago, 12string said:

On D-Day, the greatest generation took over Axis controlled Europe.

Well, not technically "on" D-Day.  It took a couple more days than that.  Give the military folks a shot at establishing a beach head and then moving deeper in the mix.

[Randomguy]

4 hours ago, Wilbur said:

Free healthcare... lol

That is why I said "Yeah yeah, I know it isn't free.  It does sound like those are trumped up figures, nobody sustainably gets taxed 200% without rioting.  And it is not like we don't have taxes on taxes on taxes, either, just not as high.  I would take the Canadian system over our healthcare system along with the taxes and feel good about the trade.  You can have our president, too, he is pretty worthless.  We don't want yours, though.

[Ralphie ★]

6 hours ago, Old No. 7 said:

she is paying close to $8k per month

What?!  Who the hell can do that?

[Parsnip Totin Jack ★]

5 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said:

What?!  Who the hell can do that?

Welcome to the cost of nursing care. 

[Wilbur ★]

1 hour ago, Randomguy said:

That is why I said "Yeah yeah, I know it isn't free.  It does sound like those are trumped up figures, nobody sustainably gets taxed 200% without rioting.  And it is not like we don't have taxes on taxes on taxes, either, just not as high.  I would take the Canadian system over our healthcare system along with the taxes and feel good about the trade.  You can have our president, too, he is pretty worthless.  We don't want yours, though.

What if our taxes kept you out of housing?  Would you be good with that?   That is what is happening here.  People are having to decide between rent or prescription drugs.  200% is very real on some import duties. 

 

[Randomguy]

9 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

What if our taxes kept you out of housing?  Would you be good with that?   That is what is happening here.  People are having to decide between rent or prescription drugs.  200% is very real on some import duties. 

 

Shit, everything is keeping everyone out of housing.  My parents prescription spend after my mom's cancer is obscene and will be until she dies.  Your drug costs are famously lower than here.

You made it sound like every tax is 200% higher.  % difference in purchasing power, hell, take my 5.5 %, give me health insurance and I will take that decreased risk of complete and utter financial ruin that serious health problems in the USA invariably bring.

[Wilbur ★]

That would be 5.5% of your entire life earnings.   For the average bloke, that buys a lot of medical attention.   Americans need to budget for the inevitable.

Did you know Canada has the lowest personal income tax of the G7.  29% as opposed to 39% in the US.  Too bad the province takes another 20.3 making Canada's income tax the highest by 4%. 

Restaurant prices in Canada are $77  on average compared to $67 in the US.  

Groceries in Canada were 29% higher in Canada than the US in 2017. 

[Randomguy]

1 hour ago, Wilbur said:

That would be 5.5% of your entire life earnings.

I would trade that for a lifetime's protection against a worst case scenario like I have seen.

[shootingstar]

2 hours ago, Wilbur said:

That would be 5.5% of your entire life earnings.   For the average bloke, that buys a lot of medical attention.   Americans need to budget for the inevitable.

Did you know Canada has the lowest personal income tax of the G7.  29% as opposed to 39% in the US.  Too bad the province takes another 20.3 making Canada's income tax the highest by 4%. 

Restaurant prices in Canada are $77  on average compared to $67 in the US.  

Groceries in Canada were 29% higher in Canada than the US in 2017. 

And your main point, Wilbur? Or the point is for Americans to have a better public health care system if they paid abit more tax.

Though you and I live and work in same country, I'm not bitchin' about our "costs".  It's not as if we live in Germany.

[Wilbur ★]

19 minutes ago, shootingstar said:

And your main point, Wilbur? Or the point is for Americans to have a better public health care system if they paid abit more tax.

Though you and I live and work in same country, I'm not bitchin' about our "costs".  It's not as if we live in Germany.

That is my main point.  Americans would have to fork over a lot more in taxes to have our system.  ..and our system needs fixing, desperately. 

[shootingstar]

44 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

That is my main point.  Americans would have to fork over a lot more in taxes to have our system.  ..and our system needs fixing, desperately. 

I have to say that dearie has had to see and get tested 3 times by the opthamologist for his eyes over the past 2 yrs....  He doesn't need surgery until maybe a yr. Right now, doctor doesn't think it warrants now. I bet there are enough Americans who hesitate to even go to such a specialist and to get the surgery.

Did you read about the B.C. resident who didn't want pay $50.00 / month premium (before B.C. govn't canned it) and endedup with a big bill for cancer treatment? What an idiot.  Just so stupid and arrogant....