Dirtyhip Posted November 3, 2020 Share #1 Posted November 3, 2020 I can't remember who was bitching about my stove talk, but I would tag you if I could remember. My husband said I could have this, if I really wanted it. He lets me have anything I want. This stove is only $3000. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #2 Posted November 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: This stove is only $3000. Hmm. That's less than my last bike, and I use a stove and/or the oven DAILY, so, on a per use cost, it is not so bad versus my Diverge. Seems like a reasonable purchase! I would, though, review quality, performance, and REPAIRABILITY of that one. If it breaks, is it done for or can you fix it for less than $100 in parts and your own labor? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted November 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Hmm. That's less than my last bike, and I use a stove and/or the oven DAILY, so, on a per use cost, it is not so bad versus my Diverge. Seems like a reasonable purchase! I would, though, review quality, performance, and REPAIRABILITY of that one. If it breaks, is it done for or can you fix it for less than $100 in parts and your own labor? It is beautiful. Just realized that the temp adjustment seems to be digital. I do not like that. It is very hard to find a stove that has stainless under the burners that looks easy to clean, and has zero electronics. I can't afford a wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #4 Posted November 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: I can't afford a wolf. "Afford"? Of course you can. "Justify"? Maybe not, maybe so. I just know my cheap GE "contractor grade" (or whatever "new home build" grade is) is CHEAP and easy to repair. My SiL, though, opted for a "fancier" (but electric ) stove, and it had digital controls in the front that could eventually get wet/corroded resulting in the need for a new circuit board. Stupid design, expensive to repair, and not a smart buy. My other SiL bought a fancy induction stove - GREAT for bringing water to a boil! - but, no surprise, after several years of daily use, someone dropped a heavy ass pot and cracked the glass. Again, not cheap to fix (she didn't) so, to me, a non-starter. I like the way you think about this stuff, though. Keep using your noggin' for the decisions, and you'll be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #5 Posted November 3, 2020 wasn't the used one $300? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #6 Posted November 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, bikeman564™ said: wasn't the used one $300? It's 200 now. There are things I realized that I hate about it. It has the control knobs on the top of the stove. You can't easily fit a bunch of pans on the top of it. <hate that> Hey @Razors Edge, I just saw this. Quite like it too: https://www.appliancesconnection.com/bertazzoni-mas304dfmxe.html 4 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: "Afford"? Of course you can. "Justify"? Maybe not, maybe so. I just know my cheap GE "contractor grade" (or whatever "new home build" grade is) is CHEAP and easy to repair. Afford...as in doing this home build, selling our home and taking on zero new debt. Fuck debt. I hate it. Show me your oven. Is it a dual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 3, 2020 Share #7 Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: It is beautiful. Just realized that the temp adjustment seems to be digital. I do not like that. It is very hard to find a stove that has stainless under the burners that looks easy to clean, and has zero electronics. I can't afford a wolf. You use the stove all the damn time, every day, so this is something that is less a splurge than an investment. You deserve the very best stove out there that has all the function and reliability you need, plus it does have to look ok, too! This is like a bike in that it has to make you happy when you use it, and don't necessarily go the cheapest route! Functionality is key, easy clean up is key, easy fix is key. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #8 Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Dirtyhip said: It's 200 now. There are things I realized that I hate about it. It has the control knobs on the top of the stove. You can't easily fit a bunch of pans on the top of it. <hate that> just let me know when dinner's ready 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #9 Posted November 3, 2020 I think @bikeman564™ was the complainer, now that I recall. HAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Totin Jack ★ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #10 Posted November 3, 2020 I have stove envy. My forever home will have a nice range/oven. I. The rental we have a GE cooktop. It works but not my first choice. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #11 Posted November 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: I think @bikeman564™ was the complainer, now that I recall. HAHA I was. You could of had a free $300 $200 stove but I'm not paying 3 grand. I will however come over for dinner and try the pump track 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted November 3, 2020 Just now, bikeman564™ said: I was. You could of had a free $300 $200 stove but I'm not paying 3 grand. I will however come over for dinner and try the pump track Don't break yourself. We will have a track around the property too with a jump line and obstacles. Plus, we are right outside of the MTB park. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #13 Posted November 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: Show me your oven. Is it a dual? It's a GE XL44 gas range. Not anything remotely "exciting" about it except it works well. I've replace TWO ignitors since we have had it - basically open up the bottom of the oven area, contort to get fingers and screw driver in cramped spaces, swap out the ignitor, and reassemble. If I can do it with my "helpful" FiL standing over me making "suggestions" then most folks could do the repair as well. And there are youtube tutorials since it is such a common range. Those are super helpful - either a great video or a good manual with part numbers so you know what you actually need to fix it. Similar to this: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #14 Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Razors Edge said: It's a GE XL44 gas range. Not anything remotely "exciting" about it except it works well. I've replace TWO ignitors since we have had it - basically open up the bottom of the oven area, contort to get fingers and screw driver in cramped spaces, swap out the ignitor, and reassemble. If I can do it with my "helpful" FiL standing over me making "suggestions" then most folks could do the repair as well. And there are youtube tutorials since it is such a common range. Those are super helpful - either a great video or a good manual with part numbers so you know what you actually need to fix it. Similar to this: Thank you. Looks similar to my stove now. I am thinking this fancy new thing will be my forever stove. @Randomguy, I know you hate that term. HAHA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #15 Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Dirtyhip said: Thank you. Looks similar to my stove now. I am thinking this fancy new thing will be my forever stove. @Randomguy, I know you hate that term. HAHA It has done its job well. At 20 years old, it does look it's age - white appliances throughout the kitchen and white cabinets - so we would get a new one if we re-did the kitchen. But likely with a similar model just in a different color (unless upgrading to SELL our place), and maybe with the middle "extra" burner or a bigger burner combination. But, I really have no doubt this one, still in pretty good looking shape, could go another 20 years with minor repairs along the way. I don't know if the "disposable" society we live in these days could conceive of a 40 yr old stove, but I fully suspect it will be the stove we still have in 2030 and maybe 2040! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 3, 2020 Share #16 Posted November 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: maybe with the middle "extra" burner Does anybody ever actually use that one? I never have, and there is one on this oven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groupw Posted November 3, 2020 Share #17 Posted November 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: It's a GE XL44 gas range. Not anything remotely "exciting" about it except it works well. I've replace TWO ignitors since we have had it - basically open up the bottom of the oven area, contort to get fingers and screw driver in cramped spaces, swap out the ignitor, and reassemble. If I can do it with my "helpful" FiL standing over me making "suggestions" then most folks could do the repair as well. And there are youtube tutorials since it is such a common range. Those are super helpful - either a great video or a good manual with part numbers so you know what you actually need to fix it. Similar to this: That's almost identical to our stove. I think we've had it nearly 20 years without a problem. We cook and bake a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted November 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, groupw said: That's almost identical to our stove. I think we've had it nearly 20 years without a problem. We cook and bake a lot. I bake a lot too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_photog ★ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #19 Posted November 3, 2020 I recommend this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #20 Posted November 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Digital_photog said: I recommend this one. OK, NO! I won't be sporting a percussion pistol either. Or sleeping on pine needles. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #21 Posted November 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: OK, NO! I won't be sporting a percussion pistol either. Or sleeping on pine needles. Ha! Nothing screams "Amish farmer practicality" like a s'more maker and a yogurt machine! I see why LJ loves his Amish neighbors - lots of tasty s'more roasting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 3, 2020 Share #22 Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Dirtyhip said: It is beautiful. Just realized that the temp adjustment seems to be digital. I do not like that. It is very hard to find a stove that has stainless under the burners that looks easy to clean, and has zero electronics. I can't afford a wolf. We ended up with this brand as WoZack didn’t want any electronics. Had it about 7 years and really like it. https://us.bertazzoni.com/products/ranges 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted November 3, 2020 Share #23 Posted November 3, 2020 I have no clue what would be a "good" oven, but as I've said before, if you find one you really like, you should get it. You're a great cook who enjoys making meals for her family, and you probably save a lot by eating your delicious home cooked meals rather than going out more. A good oven isn't just for show, it's something you'll use every day and both you and K. would benefit from it. You've worked long and hard to be in a position of building this house and the kitchen is a very important part of it. I always think it's worth investing in quality when possible if it's something you can keep for a long time and you'll use often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted November 3, 2020 Share #24 Posted November 3, 2020 One of the great thing about building your own house is doing things the way you want them. I remember on one house, going through the design phase like you did and moving walls and closets. Then I framed up the house and on a Saturday morning I decide to move a major wall. I got out the sawzall and cut the plates and moved it a foot - because I could. And it made a big difference in the 'liveability' of the house. Dozens of times in the next few years you are going to be standing at the stove and think to yourself, "I'm glad I decide to get the one I really wanted." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #25 Posted November 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, Kzoo said: Dozens of times in the next few years you are going to be standing at the stove and think to yourself, "I'm glad I decide to get the one I really wanted." Should we take bets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted November 3, 2020 Share #26 Posted November 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Should we take bets? Sure........ whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted November 3, 2020 Share #27 Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Kzoo said: Then I framed up the house and on a Saturday morning I decide to move a major wall. I got out the sawzall and cut the plates and moved it a foot - because I could. A friend was owner building a house. When the rooms were framed in his wife thought the living room was too big and wanted a wall moved, well it's just 2x4's so no problem. Then when the drywall went on the room became too small....moving a wall with the wiring and heating ducts, and drywall installed is a bit more of a project.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #28 Posted November 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Further said: A friend was owner building a house. When the rooms were framed in his wife thought the living room was too big and wanted a wall moved, well it's just 2x4's so no problem. Then when the drywall went on the room became too small....moving a wall with the wiring and heating ducts, and drywall installed is a bit more of a project.... I don't intend to make ANY changes. I already know my house is really small. HAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted November 3, 2020 Share #29 Posted November 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Further said: A friend was owner building a house. When the rooms were framed in his wife thought the living room was too big and wanted a wall moved, well it's just 2x4's so no problem. Then when the drywall went on the room became too small....moving a wall with the wiring and heating ducts, and drywall installed is a bit more of a project.... Yeah when you frame the deck the house looks small. When you frame the exterior the house looks big. When you frame the interior the rooms look big. The drywall shrinks them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #30 Posted November 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, Kzoo said: Yeah when you frame the deck the house looks small. When you frame the exterior the house looks big. When you frame the interior the rooms look big. The drywall shrinks them. Our house pad makes it look huge. They have not framed for the footers yet. It's going to really shrink down. HAHA 1052 ft of interior. 700 something for garage. Plus some porches 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted November 3, 2020 Share #31 Posted November 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Dirtyhip said: I can't remember who was bitching about my stove talk, but I would tag you if I could remember. My husband said I could have this, if I really wanted it. He lets me have anything I want. This stove is only $3000. Wow! How wide is it? My house's kitchen will go from two big double sinks to one and lose a small narrow floor cabinet so I can fit the dishwasher in that I didn't have before. I think I'll have to stick with a 4-burner stove with a microwave over the fume hood. The stove in my apartment has an auto-shutoff timer, temperature and time settings and a couple other useless things. My more-savvy-than-me-about-household-stuff sister's going to help me pick out the stove, fridge, cabinets, etc. for my house - the contractor has an office for that where they do computer pictures of what it will all look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted November 3, 2020 Share #32 Posted November 3, 2020 What width did you decide on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #33 Posted November 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Airehead said: What width did you decide on? 30" Any bigger is just too big for my kitchen. 17 minutes ago, MickinMD said: Wow! How wide is it? My house's kitchen will go from two big double sinks to one and lose a small narrow floor cabinet so I can fit the dishwasher in that I didn't have before. I think I'll have to stick with a 4-burner stove with a microwave over the fume hood. The stove in my apartment has an auto-shutoff timer, temperature and time settings and a couple other useless things. My more-savvy-than-me-about-household-stuff sister's going to help me pick out the stove, fridge, cabinets, etc. for my house - the contractor has an office for that where they do computer pictures of what it will all look like. 30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted November 4, 2020 Share #34 Posted November 4, 2020 9 hours ago, Razors Edge said: It's a GE XL44 gas range. Not anything remotely "exciting" about it except it works well. I've replace TWO ignitors since we have had it - basically open up the bottom of the oven area, contort to get fingers and screw driver in cramped spaces, swap out the ignitor, and reassemble. If I can do it with my "helpful" FiL standing over me making "suggestions" then most folks could do the repair as well. And there are youtube tutorials since it is such a common range. Those are super helpful - either a great video or a good manual with part numbers so you know what you actually need to fix it. Similar to this: That's what we have. Was here when we moved in 13 years ago, probably here 5-10 years before that. Had a plumber check it out once, said it was a good, solid stove and we should get a lot of years out of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted November 4, 2020 Share #35 Posted November 4, 2020 We went with this LG oven. We went with black stainless steel. Of course WoBG insisted ALL the appliances match in style and color etc... The middle burner had a removable grill, which we store in the storage drawer below the oven. Of course we haven't used the center burner yet. The oven controls are all digital. All of the burner grates lift off and the stainless steel below the burner grates is easy to clean. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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