Should The Price Be THE PRICE?

[Razors Edge ★]

So, when shopping, the price on the shelf is normally NOT INCLUSIVE of sales tax.  I think it would be nice if the price tag/sticker was the FULL cost amount.  Sure, some tiny amount of folks don't pay sales tax (in states with sales tax), but the rest of us would have it infinitely easier when shopping.

[maddmaxx ★]

Some can't handle the lower math involved.

[Razors Edge ★]

2 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

Some can't handle the lower math involved.

Whole CONTINENTS!

[Longjohn ★]

They should do that on cars.

[ChrisL]

1 hour ago, Razors Edge said:

So, when shopping, the price on the shelf is normally NOT INCLUSIVE of sales tax.  I think it would be nice if the price tag/sticker was the FULL cost amount.  Sure, some tiny amount of folks don't pay sales tax (in states with sales tax), but the rest of us would have it infinitely easier when shopping.

When I ran fireworks fundraisers I loaded tax & ATM fees into each item.  It helped the customer as many didn’t expect tax and the volunteers who worked the booth as they didn’t have to add tax to the sale.  We found many volunteers didn’t factor tax (or didn’t want to do the math ) which is why we added it to the item up front.  

[Randomguy]

I don't want to know the local tax rate of every municipality on the eastern seaboard, I just want to pay the price they advertise and nothing more.

[Razors Edge ★]

2 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

I don't want to know the local tax rate of every municipality on the eastern seaboard, I just want to pay the price they advertise and nothing more.

Jeez - you're a buzzkill!  Some folks don't want to leave their municipality, so they know ALL they NEED to know.  You darn movers and shakers stir things up too much.

Neuroplasticity again

[JerrySTL ★]

No. People need to know how much taxes that they are paying. Keeps the politicians a little more honest. 

[Razors Edge ★]

2 minutes ago, JerrySTL said:

No. People need to know how much taxes that they are paying. Keeps the politicians a little more honest. 

They could, at the same time they require the "all in" cost be displayed, ALSO require the tax portion be highlighted/bolded/extra large font on the receipt? 

Probably your largest single item that you purchase - gasoline - is the least transparent to you, isn't it?  Not only is it lacking in visibility, it is also one of those damn NOT EVEN PENNIES prices!

[JerrySTL ★]

51 minutes ago, Razors Edge said:

They could, at the same time they require the "all in" cost be displayed, ALSO require the tax portion be highlighted/bolded/extra large font on the receipt? 

Probably your largest single item that you purchase - gasoline - is the least transparent to you, isn't it?  Not only is it lacking in visibility, it is also one of those damn NOT EVEN PENNIES prices!

I remember decades ago Indiana charged sales tax on gasoline after it was pumped. Ask for $10 worth and it cost you something like $10.30. Quite a shock the first time that it happened. I avoided buying gasoline in Indiana for many years. When I finally did they had changed it to include the sales tax.

[maddmaxx ★]

14 hours ago, Longjohn said:

They should do that on cars.

They did.  Saturn and Scion are no longer with us.  People seem to like excessive prices that they can negotiate down to simply high prices.

[bikeman564™]

1 hour ago, maddmaxx said:

They did.  Saturn and Scion are no longer with us.  People seem to like excessive prices that they can negotiate down to simply high prices.

LOL, I was just thinking aboot Saturn and this. I don't like negotiating. Car salesmen like to think they have some sort of high power. A car can sell itself.

[Longjohn ★]

I walked away from many new cars because of an excessive price. I don’t like to sell cars either. I have sold a few cars and I looked at the blue book price for used cars and made my price lower than that. The phone starts to ring and the first thing people say without seeing the car is “You are asking $5,000, would you take $3,000? I tell them they must not be able to read, I said $5,000.

I was unaware did Saturn have a no dicker price on their cars? I never looked at them. I think by the time they started making Saturns I was solidly into Honda’s.

[maddmaxx ★]

2 hours ago, Longjohn said:

I walked away from many new cars because of an excessive price. I don’t like to sell cars either. I have sold a few cars and I looked at the blue book price for used cars and made my price lower than that. The phone starts to ring and the first thing people say without seeing the car is “You are asking $5,000, would you take $3,000? I tell them they must not be able to read, I said $5,000.

I was unaware did Saturn have a no dicker price on their cars? I never looked at them. I think by the time they started making Saturns I was solidly into Honda’s.

Yep and Scion tried to do fixed price too, slightly less strict than Saturn.  Meat market cars.  See your car, pay the price.

[2Far ★]

20 hours ago, maddmaxx said:

Some can't handle the lower math involved.

Indeed, majority rules.

[Randomguy]

Aren't Teslas all no haggle?

[Ralphie ★]

5 hours ago, Longjohn said:

I walked away from many new cars because of an excessive price. I don’t like to sell cars either. I have sold a few cars and I looked at the blue book price for used cars and made my price lower than that. The phone starts to ring and the first thing people say without seeing the car is “You are asking $5,000, would you take $3,000? I tell them they must not be able to read, I said $5,000.

I was unaware did Saturn have a no dicker price on their cars? I never looked at them. I think by the time they started making Saturns I was solidly into Honda’s.

I looked at the Saturn Ion and ran away screaming!    Same as with  the Ford Escort ages ago.   

 

[Prophet Zacharia]

2 hours ago, maddmaxx said:

See your car, pay the price.

I think Car Max is helping to level the playing field across all new cars. You can see what similarly equipped cars have sold for near you. Then you can judge if your quoted price is bad or good. 

[Scrapr ★]

22 hours ago, Randomguy said:

I don't want to know the local tax rate of every municipality on the eastern seaboard, I just want to pay the price they advertise and nothing more.

Come to Orygun!!!

it is pretty safe to say Oregon will never pass a general sales tax in my lifetime. It's a third rail in Oregon politics. Booze & cigs.....you betcha!

[Razors Edge ★]

1 minute ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

I think Car Max is helping to level the playing field across all new cars. You can see what similarly equipped cars have sold for near you. Then you can judge if your quoted price is bad or good. 

And CarMax is a no haggle used car price (and used car trade-in?) as well, I think.

2 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said:

I looked at the Saturn Ion and ran away screaming!    Same as with  the Ford Escort ages ago.  

I think Saturn (and Pontiac) hit their best just before their end - the Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice siblings.  I still smile whenever I see one of those out and about.

[Prophet Zacharia]

4 minutes ago, Razors Edge said:

And CarMax is a no haggle used car price (and used car trade-in?) as well, I think.

8 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said:

Yeah, although there’s obviously a lot more variation in used than new cars. And since the Kelly Blue Book was always a reference for used cars, the use of Car Max for new car buying seemed more revolutionary than it’s use in used car pricing. 

[Kirby]

I don't mind the sales tax being charged separately and apart from the price.  Taxes aren't going to the manufacturers of the products and it's not part of their price.  But I am against hidden extras or fees that are mandatory (such as resort fees) . or gas surcharges on an airline ticket.

[Razors Edge ★]

35 minutes ago, Kirby said:

gas surcharges on an airline ticket.

Who gets those $$$$? The airport, the airline, or the gov't (local, state, and/or fed)????

Plain pricing should be across the board for many (most) things, IMO.

[maddmaxx ★]

1 hour ago, Razors Edge said:

And CarMax is a no haggle used car price (and used car trade-in?) as well, I think.

I think Saturn (and Pontiac) hit their best just before their end - the Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice siblings.  I still smile whenever I see one of those out and about.

You had to try to keep a Pontiac running within a normal budget to really understand.

[Razors Edge ★]

10 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

You had to try to keep a Pontiac running within a normal budget to really understand.

Was Pontiac different than Chevy, Olds, Caddy,  or Buick?  Back in the day, maybe due to different plants doing the builds?

They were pulling apart an older Cadillac on Bitchin Rides (50 or 60s something???), and they were hilarious complaining about all the nuts and bolts holding it together.  Said it might as well be a German car.   Pretty funny.

EDIT: 1960s "Copper Caddy":

[maddmaxx ★]

3 minutes ago, Razors Edge said:

Was Pontiac different than Chevy, Olds, Caddy,  or Buick?  Back in the day, maybe due to different plants doing the builds?

They were pulling apart an older Cadillac on Bitchin Rides (50 or 60s something???), and they were hilarious complaining about all the nuts and bolts holding it together.  Said it might as well be a German car.   Pretty funny.

EDIT: 1960s "Copper Caddy":

Yes.  Different by design and maintenance procedure.  Look up the engine problems caused by going over to and acid based antifreeze without building engines with acid resistant gaskets. (Dexcool class action suits).  Bad decisions sank Pontiac and the last 2 years couldn't same them from that reputation.

[Razors Edge ★]

6 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

Yes.  Different by design and maintenance procedure.  Look up the engine problems caused by going over to and acid based antifreeze without building engines with acid resistant gaskets. (Dexcool class action suits).  Bad decisions sank Pontiac and the last 2 years couldn't same them from that reputation.

My dad was a Chevy guy.  Pretty much only bought Chevrolets.  I don't know if that was a good choice or not, but he stuck with it.  Hence, I am, of the GM cars, more aware of and like more the Chevy ones.  He did bring home a late 70s Trans Am for a weekend as a "test" drive.  It was cool, but he chose a Camaro.  My uncle worked at the Chevy dealer where he got it, so likely that played some part with the Camaro and the Caprice Estate (wagon) we got that year.

[Kirby]

1 hour ago, Razors Edge said:

Who gets those $$$$? The airport, the airline, or the gov't (local, state, and/or fed)????

Plain pricing should be across the board for many (most) things, IMO.

I believe it's the airline

[Mr. Beanz]

No you got me thinking. Gina and I always worked for a living. While raising out kids, we'd go to the market at the end of the week to see what we could plan for dinner all week with $100.

Of course there were and still are lines of people paying for their food with foodstamps, and now those fancy credit card looking things so they can charge food without hurting their feelings knowing others around them are paying for their food with our tax money. People with one to two cart loads of food with their hubbies next in line wearing soccer uniforms and cases of beer.

So now I wonder, if they pay tax while using food stamps. Or should I ask, do we pay tax while the use foodstamps? 

[Razors Edge ★]

15 hours ago, Mr Beanz said:

So now I wonder, if they pay tax while using food stamps. Or should I ask, do we pay tax while the use foodstamps? 

...and if there isn't tax on it, man do they have an easier time calculating the price as it literally would be the "sticker" price.  It would be great to have that convenience - ie the price I see is the price I pay

I also enjoy the variable taxation rates - ie on food - raw vs prepared, food vs medicine/drugs, toys vs clothing, in a special tax district or just outside it.  Yeah, that's all math I just joyfully do in my head as I am shopping