Wilbur ★ Posted October 22, 2021 Share #1 Posted October 22, 2021 https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/21/entertainment/rust-film-accident/index.html It astonishes me that this could even happen. Alec Baldwin doesn't deserve this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirwickWithCheese Posted October 22, 2021 Share #2 Posted October 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Wilburger said: Alec Baldwin doesn't deserve this. Criminal negligence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted October 22, 2021 Share #3 Posted October 22, 2021 And it feels like this should have been totally preventable. What about the prop team? Who was in charge fo securing guns, etc... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapr ★ Posted October 22, 2021 Share #4 Posted October 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, SamWithCheese said: Criminal negligence. from the prop department? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share #5 Posted October 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, SamWithCheese said: Criminal negligence. Possibly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Far ★ Posted October 22, 2021 Share #6 Posted October 22, 2021 Yeah, unless he was holding the gun to her head, I don't see him being criminally responsible. Brandon Lee was killed in a similar incident: Quote As the police investigation began, little was certain about how Lee died, and rumors circulated that the film set was jinxed (there had been a series of accidents), or that his death had been plotted by some unknown enemy. In the end, the truth was far less sinister, but no less tragic. Hollowed-out cartridges are often used to film close-ups of a gun being loaded; the “dummy” cartridges are then supposed to be removed and replaced with blanks before being fired. The police investigation into Lee’s death concluded that a tip of one of the cartridge’s bullets broke off from the cartridge and lodged in the gun, then fired at Lee along with the blank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 22, 2021 Share #7 Posted October 22, 2021 43 minutes ago, Airehead said: And it feels like this should have been totally preventable. What about the prop team? Who was in charge fo securing guns, etc... Agree. An investigation needs to be completed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted October 22, 2021 Share #8 Posted October 22, 2021 It's happened before. There was a case where a young actor held a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. He knew that it was loaded with a blank but didn't realize even a blank had quite a blast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share #9 Posted October 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, JerrySTL said: It's happened before. There was a case where a young actor held a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. He knew that it was loaded with a blank but didn't realize even a blank had quite a blast. Bruce Lee's son, Brandon? I can't remember the particulars of his demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirwickWithCheese Posted October 22, 2021 Share #10 Posted October 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Wilburger said: Bruce Lee's son, Brandon? I can't remember the particulars of his demise. Jon Erik Hexum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted October 22, 2021 Share #11 Posted October 22, 2021 It all depends on how this happened... For 2 people to get shot... that seems unusual. First he would need to be pointing the gun at them, and pull the trigger Then how can 2 people get shot? Unless a real bullet was chambered and went thru the first person and killed the other. Or worse he pulled the trigger twice. Why would he point the gun at anyone, that was not part of the movie scene to be recorded? Was there a real bullet used? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 22, 2021 Share #12 Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Bikeguy said: It all depends on how this happened... For 2 people to get shot... that seems unusual. First he would need to be pointing the gun at them, and pull the trigger Then how can 2 people get shot? Unless a real bullet was chambered and went thru the first person and killed the other. Why would he point the gun at anyone, that was not part of the movie scene to be recorded? Was there a real bullet used? I'll wait till further information is forthcoming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share #13 Posted October 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Bikeguy said: It all depends on how this happened... For 2 people to get shot... that seems unusual. First he would need to be pointing the gun at them, and pull the trigger Then how can 2 people get shot? Unless a real bullet was chambered and went thru the first person and killed the other. Or worse he pulled the trigger twice. Why would he point the gun at anyone, that was not part of the movie scene to be recorded? Was there a real bullet used? One news agency said the second injury was a shrapnel injury while standing close to Baldwin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted October 22, 2021 Share #14 Posted October 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Bikeguy said: First he would need to be pointing the gun at them, and pull the trigger Then how can 2 people get shot? Unless a real bullet was chambered and went thru the first person and killed the other. Prop Gun That Killed Cinematographer on Alec Baldwin Film Contained ‘Live Single Round,’ Union Claims If that is true, which seems to fit the facts (so far), why would he be pointing a gun at a person and pull the trigger??? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted October 22, 2021 Share #15 Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bikeguy said: Prop Gun That Killed Cinematographer on Alec Baldwin Film Contained ‘Live Single Round,’ Union Claims If that is true, which seems to fit the facts (so far), why would he be pointing a gun at a person and pull the trigger??? The person was a cinematographer. Maybe the director wanted that view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 23, 2021 Share #16 Posted October 23, 2021 There are industry petitions to ban firearms from all movie sets. The claim is that they are unnecessary in the age of CGI. Some movies already have all gunshots produced this way. A "non gun" will work just fine this way. What!!!! Ban guns. Unpossible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted October 23, 2021 Share #17 Posted October 23, 2021 https://apple.news/A08Yg5zOfRzmKFDqugVJCeg Alec Baldwin was told firearm was unloaded, search warrant says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted October 23, 2021 Share #18 Posted October 23, 2021 AlecBaldwin(HABF) (@AlecBaldwin) Tweeted: There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours. I'm fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted October 23, 2021 Share #19 Posted October 23, 2021 I have bot read any of the details of this disaster, but why would lethal ammunition be anywhere near a movie set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 23, 2021 Share #20 Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Airehead said: https://apple.news/A08Yg5zOfRzmKFDqugVJCeg Alec Baldwin was told firearm was unloaded, search warrant says. So many people get killed by unloaded guns every year. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted October 23, 2021 Share #21 Posted October 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: So many people get killed by unloaded guns every year. Trust, but verify! Ok, maybe ix-nay on the trust part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 23, 2021 Share #22 Posted October 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said: Trust, but verify! Ok, maybe ix-nay on the trust part. If you wish to hand me a firearm you are going to have to break it open and show me that it's unloaded before I'm going to take it. I don't trust anyone. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted October 23, 2021 Share #23 Posted October 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said: verify THIS^^^ 11 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said: Ok, maybe ix-nay on the trust part. WoBG and I were shopping for guns. I ALWAYS verify, even after the guy tells me it's unloaded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted October 23, 2021 Share #24 Posted October 23, 2021 Back to the basics... The ONLY way someone gets shot, is the gun is pointed at a person and the trigger is pulled. AB is in trouble for being irresponsible with a weapon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrAzY Posted October 23, 2021 Share #25 Posted October 23, 2021 I have been fortunate enough to see a movie style gun fight a long time ago.. basically the actors run through their parts with rubber guns over and over, and right before they film, the prop team runs out and hands over the movie set guns. As soon as the scene was over, the prop people ran back out and took the movie guns away. Personally I put blame on the people that are in charge of the props. They are the ones responsible for cleaning, loading, and whatnot. it’s not up to the actors to check over the gun or know what they are looking for in a real bullet or blank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 23, 2021 Share #26 Posted October 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, KrAzY said: I have been fortunate enough to see a movie style gun fight a long time ago.. basically the actors run through their parts with rubber guns over and over, and right before they film, the prop team runs out and hands over the movie set guns. As soon as the scene was over, the prop people ran back out and took the movie guns away. Personally I put blame on the people that are in charge of the props. They are the ones responsible for cleaning, loading, and whatnot. it’s not up to the actors to check over the gun or know what they are looking for in a real bullet or blank. It should be. After all, they are the one's using and pointing the gun. Firearm responsibility should be taught at all levels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrAzY Posted October 23, 2021 Share #27 Posted October 23, 2021 42 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: It should be. After all, they are the one's using and pointing the gun. Firearm responsibility should be taught at all levels. It should be, but I can bet a lot of actors never really shot a real gun before. From what I am seeing online.. It looks like the Props Union was not on set, so therefore I'm guessing all the safety precautions were not taken as they should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted October 23, 2021 Share #28 Posted October 23, 2021 The story continues… crew had already protested unsafe conditions on set before this incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted October 23, 2021 Share #29 Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Bikeguy said: Back to the basics... The ONLY way someone gets shot, is the gun is pointed at a person and the trigger is pulled. AB is in trouble for being irresponsible with a weapon. Was this part of a scene being filmed? Or was he wandering around with a gun he picked up and was "playing" with it? I haven't really followed the story, but would think if it was part of the actual filming of a scene, the actors are relying on about a bazillion other folks to get it right, and when an actor shoots a gun - in a scene - it is the one provided by those assorted folks, set-up (seemingly) the way it should be set up, and aimed where the director is directing it be aimed. The off-camera folks are then in the positions they would need to be in to support the scene as it is filmed, and that may be right in the line of the intended "fake" shot. Like any of those many many scenes we have seen in movies looking down a barrel at a shooters face as the gun is shot. Tragic all around. Avoidable as well. Just shitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted October 23, 2021 Share #30 Posted October 23, 2021 19 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Was this part of a scene being filmed? Or was he wandering around with a gun he picked up and was "playing" with it? I'd assume the director of photography Halyna Hutchins, and the crew member were NOT going to be in the film. That leaves a very high possibility that AB was playing with the gun. I can imagine AB telling Hutchins he didn't like how the scene was being filmed (or recorded) joking he was going to shoot her, etc... and he uses the 'safe' gun and does just that... shoots her and the crew member was just too close and got hit too. For 'normal' people there would be prison time for something as stupid as this. This should have never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted October 23, 2021 Share #31 Posted October 23, 2021 https://abqjournal-nm-app.newsmemory.com/?publink=1798bb983_1345f73 Labor dispute, non-union staff, previous incident, cutting corners… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted October 23, 2021 Share #32 Posted October 23, 2021 Nm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted October 23, 2021 Share #33 Posted October 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, Bikeguy said: That leaves a very high possibility that AB was playing with the gun. That is a big assumption on your part. 27 minutes ago, Bikeguy said: I'd assume the director of photography Halyna Hutchins, and the crew member were NOT going to be in the film But we're they standing behind a camera? This is a movie set. Cameras would be in place to confirm angles and lighting. What was the angle they wanted of him pulling a trigger. Lots of shows show a gun pointed towards a camera. Inevitably that means they were pointed at people on set. Again, we need to wait for a full investigation to be completed. There will be a lot of interviews, reinterviews and maybe even a few walk-throughs before conclusions are reached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted October 23, 2021 Share #34 Posted October 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Philander Seabury said: but why would lethal ammunition be anywhere near a movie set? According to the article above posted by MoseySusan, a 'live' round on a movie set may mean a 'live' blank. Not sure how it ends up with a projectile. The suspicious me wonders if someone protesting the three accidental discharges didn't bring in a live round in hopes to further their point. I hope not, but everyone's a suspect until proven otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted October 23, 2021 Share #35 Posted October 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zephyr said: That is a big assumption on your part. True... 5 minutes ago, Zephyr said: Again, we need to wait for a full investigation to be completed. There will be a lot of interviews, reinterviews and maybe even a few walk-throughs before conclusions are reached Yeah.... sooner or later there will be an explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share #36 Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Zephyr said: everyone's a suspect until proven otherwise I wasn't there and have alibi's mister! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted October 23, 2021 Share #37 Posted October 23, 2021 4 hours ago, maddmaxx said: If you wish to hand me a firearm you are going to have to break it open and show me that it's unloaded before I'm going to take it. I don't trust anyone. This is why I was tight by my dad as a child. Show and then share. He still demands it from all of us and I would never do anything else. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted October 23, 2021 Share #38 Posted October 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Wilburger said: I wasn't there and have alibi's mister! Me too! Man, this need for butt covering is relentless! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted October 23, 2021 Share #39 Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Zephyr said: That is a big assumption on your part. But we're they standing behind a camera? This is a movie set. Cameras would be in place to confirm angles and lighting. What was the angle they wanted of him pulling a trigger. Lots of shows show a gun pointed towards a camera. Inevitably that means they were pointed at people on set. Again, we need to wait for a full investigation to be completed. There will be a lot of interviews, reinterviews and maybe even a few walk-throughs before conclusions are reached I was going to say exactly this. Let the investigation run its course & then we can decide who was at fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted October 23, 2021 Share #40 Posted October 23, 2021 1 minute ago, ChrisL said: & then we can decide who was at fault. The court of public opinion is on the case! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted October 23, 2021 Share #41 Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Airehead said: This is why I was tight by my dad as a child. Show and then share. He still demands it from all of us and I would never do anything else. Pretty much standard protocol in the military. We couldn’t turn in a weapon to an armorer that wasn’t cleared with an open bolt. During “Inspection Arms” you open the bolt, look in the chamber to ensure it’s clear then present the weapon to the inspecting officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zephyr Posted October 23, 2021 Popular Post Share #42 Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Wilburger said: I wasn't there and have alibi's mister! And once we confirm your alibi, we will cross you off the list(in pencil) 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted October 23, 2021 Share #43 Posted October 23, 2021 The day before the accidental shooting, many in the camera crew quit and walked off the set over lack of gun and COVID safety. Then the film company, after the shooting, had the nerve to claim it wasn't aware of any complaints by employees - as if it didn't miss much of the camera crew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now