Thaddeus Kosciuszko Posted October 11, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 11, 2014 [Friday afternoon, 2:20pm. Phone rings.] Customer: Oh, help help help! Emergency! Emergency! Engineer: What's wrong? How can I help? Customer: Oh, the contractor did it all wrong! And we have to occupy the place on Monday! Oh, woe is me! Engineer: What happened? Customer: The contractor cut the hole in the wall one inch too large, and the safety department says it's a fire hazard! This is terrible! Engineer: Have him patch the hole to the right size... Customer: You don't understand! We need a drawing! We need a detail! The contractor doesn't know what to do! Doesn't know how to fix the hole!! He wants an extra! OMG!! Engineer: Have the contractor look at the drawings. It's already on there how to build it. I'll send you a write-up just to make sure the contractor knows what he has to do. Customer: Can you send that over in the next 5 minutes or so? I need to give that to the contractor and to the safety department before I leave for the weekend. Engineer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted October 11, 2014 Share #2 Posted October 11, 2014 So why does the contractors screw up create an emergency on your part. Their last statement was in the form of a question. It had a yes or no answer. And you answered………. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted October 11, 2014 Share #3 Posted October 11, 2014 My hole is too big as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted October 11, 2014 Share #4 Posted October 11, 2014 My hole is too big as well. Plug it with something! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapr ★ Posted October 11, 2014 Share #5 Posted October 11, 2014 That sounds like a change order Ca Ching! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrAzY Posted October 11, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 11, 2014 Holy hole batman! How can a contractor not fill in a hole they cut to large?? Sounds like a simple patch and scratch it off deal to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted October 11, 2014 Share #7 Posted October 11, 2014 Plug it with something!what would y'all suggest I use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted October 11, 2014 Share #8 Posted October 11, 2014 what would y'all suggest I use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Kosciuszko Posted October 11, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted October 11, 2014 Holy hole batman! How can a contractor not fill in a hole they cut to large?? Sounds like a simple patch and scratch it off deal to me! That sounds like a change order Ca Ching! Krazy provides a sane answer to the situation but... Scrapr is right. The customer signed off on the work before he called safety to check it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted October 11, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 11, 2014 what would y'all suggest I use? Talk to RG. He can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted October 11, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 11, 2014 what would y'all suggest I use? 5/8" Type X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapr ★ Posted October 11, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 11, 2014 Get out the change order calculator with the extra digits on it This one's gonna hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Zealot Posted October 11, 2014 Solution Share #13 Posted October 11, 2014 Sounds like it was a fire stopping issue. If the annular space is too large for the submitted firestop detail then you use a different detail (presuming the possibilities were all submitted ). If not, you simply get an EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted October 11, 2014 Share #14 Posted October 11, 2014 TK, I think both you and I have been in this business too long... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrAzY Posted October 11, 2014 Share #15 Posted October 11, 2014 Well... I didn't see the part about the customer signing off on the work.. Think I was overlooking that from being astounded by the stupidity... I would call it the owners fault for signing off and not inspecting the building prior to doing so.. Always look at the nooks and crannies before doing a sign off.. I was burt this way in the past on a job site, and never let it happen again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Kosciuszko Posted October 11, 2014 Author Share #16 Posted October 11, 2014 Sounds like it was a fire stopping issue. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner, people! Good call, Z... As far as an Engineering Judgment, the customer refuses to go that route. I had a different issue where the firestopping company drew up Certified Installation Instructions to build a firestop assembly and the customer refused to accept it because "it wasn't UL". But he signs off on the UL assembly he wanted but the contractor installed incorrectly anyway. And then he bolts out of the building to start his weekend early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted October 11, 2014 Share #17 Posted October 11, 2014 Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner, people! Good call, Z... As far as an Engineering Judgment, the customer refuses to go that route. I had a different issue where the firestopping company drew up Certified Installation Instructions to build a firestop assembly and the customer refused to accept it because "it wasn't UL". But he signs off on the UL assembly he wanted but the contractor installed incorrectly anyway. And then he bolts out of the building to start his weekend early. Good heavens. Shirley a little fire-rated bubble gum should be fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted October 12, 2014 Share #18 Posted October 12, 2014 Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner, people! Good call, Z... As far as an Engineering Judgment, the customer refuses to go that route. I had a different issue where the firestopping company drew up Certified Installation Instructions to build a firestop assembly and the customer refused to accept it because "it wasn't UL". But he signs off on the UL assembly he wanted but the contractor installed incorrectly anyway. And then he bolts out of the building to start his weekend early. For a small fee, the customer could have had your EJ proposal UL certified. Though sometimes it takes a little time to get. Yeah, the whole "the sky is falling" behavior and then leaving early is kind of frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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