maddmaxx ★ Posted March 2, 2022 Share #1 Posted March 2, 2022 A new US program to go after Russian Oligarchs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 2, 2022 Share #2 Posted March 2, 2022 Just now, maddmaxx said: A new US program to go after Russian Oligarchs. Just the Russian ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted March 3, 2022 Share #3 Posted March 3, 2022 What's an oligarch take home now days? I figure get in, get out before the regime change, make a killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share #4 Posted March 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, donkpow said: What's an oligarch take home now days? I figure get in, get out before the regime change, make a killing. Enough to own one of these and not even feel the pinch. The yacht Graceful. One of Vlad's toys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 3, 2022 Share #5 Posted March 3, 2022 30 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Enough to own one of these and not even feel the pinch. The yacht Graceful. One of Vlad's toys. How about the tilt? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted March 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: How about the tilt? Slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Share #7 Posted March 3, 2022 12 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said: How about the tilt? You don't worry about the titling, it's the listing that folks need to worry about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 3, 2022 Share #8 Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Razors Edge said: it's the listing that folks need to worry about! I wouldn’t give the listing a second thought. Even used, it’s not at a price I could even begin to fantasize about buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 3, 2022 Share #9 Posted March 3, 2022 I am not sure how I feel about this. While I realize that the Russian oligarchy almost certainly owes it's existence to ill-gotten gains, just taking from private citizens for their government's actions seems wrong. "Well, we don't like your leader and what he is doing, but we are gonna take your boat, plane, and house anyway." Seems like illegal search and seizure to me. Are all assets of citizens of foreign nations considered assets of that foreign nation, and are thus subject to confiscation? I fully understand that they are trying to leverage the government in any way they can, but I don't see this hurting Putin's plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share #10 Posted March 3, 2022 26 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I am not sure how I feel about this. While I realize that the Russian oligarchy almost certainly owes it's existence to ill-gotten gains, just taking from private citizens for their government's actions seems wrong. "Well, we don't like your leader and what he is doing, but we are gonna take your boat, plane, and house anyway." Seems like illegal search and seizure to me. Are all assets of citizens of foreign nations considered assets of that foreign nation, and are thus subject to confiscation? I fully understand that they are trying to leverage the government in any way they can, but I don't see this hurting Putin's plans. They are if you can take them and keep them...........just like a foreign country is yours if you can take it and keep it. The Russian Oligarchs are the one's in Russia most likely to remove Putin from the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Share #11 Posted March 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I am not sure how I feel about this. While I realize that the Russian oligarchy almost certainly owes it's existence to ill-gotten gains, just taking from private citizens for their government's actions seems wrong. "Well, we don't like your leader and what he is doing, but we are gonna take your boat, plane, and house anyway." Seems like illegal search and seizure to me. Are all assets of citizens of foreign nations considered assets of that foreign nation, and are thus subject to confiscation? I fully understand that they are trying to leverage the government in any way they can, but I don't see this hurting Putin's plans. To some extent, you have to ask yourself - are these guys criminals or not. Are they akin to the various drug lords - El Chapo or Pablo Escobar - where we have the right (and duty) to shut them down wherever they are? If so, what changed a week ago and why were they running around freely prior to that? If they're not criminals, is it more a seize and hold until hostilities end sort of thing? More an impound than a seizure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 3, 2022 Share #12 Posted March 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: The Russian Oligarchs are the one's in Russia most likely to remove Putin from the equation. I think the military is far more likely to remove Putin, although maybe at a rich guy's behest. Fingers crossed that the military is going to stage an assassination attempt at some point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted March 3, 2022 Share #13 Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: If they're not criminals, is it more a seize and hold until hostilities end sort of thing? More an impound than a seizure. For most EU countries it is seizure and not forfeiture. There are investigation started into the source of gains in some EU countries that could easily lead to forfeitures. Some of these countries have decided that they can't just turn their backs on some of this activity anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share #14 Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, Kzoo said: For most EU countries it is seizure and not forfeiture. There are investigation started into the source of gains in some EU countries that could easily lead to forfeitures. Some of these countries have decided that they can't just turn their backs on some of this activity anymore. So long as it doesn't have too large an effect on oil and the stock market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 3, 2022 Share #15 Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Randomguy said: Are all assets of citizens of foreign nations considered assets of that foreign nation, and are thus subject to confiscation? I think during war, yes, they can be. Pretty long history of it happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share #16 Posted March 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: I think during war, yes, they can be. Pretty long history of it happening. We may not be shooting, but I'd estimate we are at war with Russia at this time............without bothering with a declaration of course. Have any wars been declared since WWII? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 3, 2022 Share #17 Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, maddmaxx said: So long as it doesn't have too large an effect on oil and the stock market. It’s a closed World economic system. We’re going to try to ruin our enemy without making things too intolerable for us or our allies, else they’ll lose their resolve to keep the pressure on Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share #18 Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, Prophet Zacharia said: It’s a closed World economic system. We’re going to try to ruin our enemy without making things too intolerable for us or our allies, else they’ll lose their resolve to keep the pressure on Russia. Defines how serious we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 3, 2022 Share #19 Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Defines how serious we are. Define “we”? There’s so many pieces to the puzzle, each, with their own particular issues, motives, and concerns. A coalition is difficult to keep together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Share #20 Posted March 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: It’s a closed World economic system. We’re going to try to ruin our enemy without making things too intolerable for us or our allies, else they’ll lose their resolve to keep the pressure on Russia. Yep - they were discussing getting OPEC to start producing more to compensate (which they would naturally seem to do at $100+/barrel), but Americans, Canadians, and likely Euros were up in arms over $3/gal gas. They would go apeshit over $5/gal gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 3, 2022 Share #21 Posted March 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: We may not be shooting, but I'd estimate we are at war with Russia at this time............without bothering with a declaration of course. Have any wars been declared since WWII? I think not. I think peace is generally declared way more often, by at least one of the parties. Russia is helping secure the peace, according to them, because securing the peace by breaking it and saying that it isn't a war is way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 3, 2022 Share #22 Posted March 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Defines how serious we are. Well, we are serious about it, about as serious as we can be without an open declaration of war. At least that is how I see it. Btw, I don't know that I have ever seen the world so united, at least in spirit, as it is right now against Russia. How all this manifests itself may be another thing entirely, but everyone but Belarus and China want Putin dead and getting the Mussolini treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 3, 2022 Share #23 Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Randomguy said: but everyone but Belarus and China Don’t forget Eritrea, North Korea and Syria. At least China abstained in it’s vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share #24 Posted March 3, 2022 Punish those Russians, but don't you dare raise the price of my gasoline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Share #25 Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, maddmaxx said: Punish those Russians, but don't you dare raise the price of my gasoline. ...or inconvenience me in any way. It's the American Way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 3, 2022 Share #26 Posted March 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: ...or inconvenience me in any way. It's the American Way. I mean, we’re so unified on so many national issues, this should be a piece of cake to maintain domestically. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share #27 Posted March 3, 2022 Embargoing Russian Oil is the single fastest way to Putin's wallet and it's off the table because...................Insert your reason here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 9, 2022 Share #28 Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/3/2022 at 2:27 PM, maddmaxx said: Embargoing Russian Oil is the single fastest way to Putin's wallet and it's off the table because...................Insert your reason here. Europe can’t sustain it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted March 9, 2022 Share #29 Posted March 9, 2022 On 3/2/2022 at 6:49 PM, maddmaxx said: A new US program to go after Russian Oligarchs. When are they going to go after the American Oligarchs - the one's that pay zero taxes, but build $30M mansions and $100M yachts in hideaways like Monaco, paid for from out their too-small-to-tax incomes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 9, 2022 Share #30 Posted March 9, 2022 I was surprised that Germany didn’t reconsider shuttering it’s last nuclear facilities. Quote Germany on Tuesday poured cold water on extending the life-span of its nuclear plants to help cut its reliance on Russian gas, saying it needed instead to build up alternative energy sources at "Tesla speed". Economy Minister Robert Habeck said the country's first liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal, announced last weekend, should be ready within two years. And is liquid natural gas really an “alternative energy” source? Ok, it’s not Russian…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 9, 2022 Share #31 Posted March 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said: I was surprised that Germany didn’t reconsider shuttering it’s last nuclear facilities. And is liquid natural gas really an “alternative energy” source? Ok, it’s not Russian…. "Tesla speed", in Germany, is not very quick. It took quite a bit of time and hoops for Tesla to finally (last week?) get approval to open their plant in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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