Razors Edge ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Share #1 Posted March 7, 2022 ...or is that not something that is easily changed? I'm sure @Randomguy sees this too, but I have to assume that some of the multitude of idiots I see walking on the wrong side of a sidewalk, struggling to cross intersections, confused at getting from point A-point B, etc. aren't ALL tourists visiting the city. Likewise when out riding, some folks just seems confused/puzzled/wrong in how they ride a bike. Is there hope for them or are they just destined to always be a mess? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Share #2 Posted March 7, 2022 It will take a while if Darwin is correct. Actually things have been made a little too safe so that idiots tend to live longer and reproduce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groupw Posted March 7, 2022 Share #3 Posted March 7, 2022 Lack of situational awareness. I think it has to be taught at a young age so it’s natural when they are adults. Even though I never lived in a major urban area until now, I’ve always been able to blend in quickly simply because I was taught to look and listen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share #4 Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, groupw said: Lack of situational awareness. I think it has to be taught at a young age so it’s natural when they are adults. Even though I never lived in a major urban area until now, I’ve always been able to blend in quickly simply because I was taught to look and listen. Yep - I was thinking you could drop someone like @Longjohn in the middle of NYC or London and he's fine. Drop @Dottles in the same place? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR46 Posted March 7, 2022 Share #5 Posted March 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, JerrySTL said: It will take a while if Darwin is correct. Actually things have been made a little too safe so that idiots tend to live longer and reproduce. Is this why there's warning labels on hair dryers telling me not to use in the shower? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted March 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, BR46 said: Is this why there's warning labels on hair dryers telling me not to use in the shower? To some, that warning message may cause paralysis. They will be unable to either shower or dry their hair. You see it all the time in the city - some rube gets all brain frozen right in the middle of the sidewalk, on an escalator, or at some other busy chokepoint. Almost can smell the neurons burning away as they are confronted by something out of their realm of imagination. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Share #7 Posted March 7, 2022 I didn’t like driving my semi in NYC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share #8 Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Longjohn said: I didn’t like driving my semi in NYC. ...because you are SANE! But surely you also didn't drive like a self-centered, situationally unaware sociopath! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Far ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Share #9 Posted March 7, 2022 Not in a classroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted March 7, 2022 Share #10 Posted March 7, 2022 I think it’s a learned behavior more so than something that’s just in you. It comes from experience but some would catch on quicker than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted March 7, 2022 Share #11 Posted March 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: some rube gets all brain frozen right in the middle of the sidewalk, on an escalator, or at some other busy chokepoint. Hmmm... the drugs they took may have quit working and they couldn't deal with reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share #12 Posted March 7, 2022 Just now, ChrisL said: I think it’s a learned behavior more so than something that’s just in you. It comes from experience but some would catch on quicker than others. It's mostly adults I see doing the craziest things. Sometimes they have kids in tow, and they are passing that stupidity to the next generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR46 Posted March 7, 2022 Share #13 Posted March 7, 2022 like this Or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share #14 Posted March 7, 2022 That top one is AWESOME. Too bad they couldn't pull a plate number off that video! But, yeah, that's the sort of thing you see with the tragically awful non-street smart folks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted March 7, 2022 Share #15 Posted March 7, 2022 Some of that behavior isn't "street sense", it's just that no one ever taught them. "Street sense" is definitely learned, enough attempts to cross a street in NYC, you'll figure out to watch for the yellow ones, they don't stop. Common sense can get you through until you learn street sense, but isn't taught or learned. And after all that, some people are just idiots. And if you look in the right places, you can learn where the best street corn is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share #16 Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, 12string said: Some of that behavior isn't "street sense", it's just that no one ever taught them. "Street sense" is definitely learned, enough attempts to cross a street in NYC, you'll figure out to watch for the yellow ones, they don't stop. Common sense can get you through until you learn street sense, but isn't taught or learned. And after all that, some people are just idiots. Maybe it's more "how did that sense not develop by adulthood?" sort of thing coupled with some folks are just idiots, and a LOT are below average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted March 7, 2022 Share #17 Posted March 7, 2022 Agree, that navigating in streets and what to do safely with intentional awareness by looking around one's environment is learned. Safety most definitely is learned and needs to be embedded and taught in person with adult, in childhood onward. I continue to be shocked how people jaywalk and they don't even look both ways before crossing. They expect every car/truck/bus to stop for them. Or blissfully unaware, a car, cyclist has to accelerate to get up a hill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Share #18 Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Longjohn said: I didn’t like driving my semi in NYC. I don't like driving anything in NYC. I don't even like walking in NYC. I'd rather drive through Boston than NYC and some will tell you that's just plain crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Share #19 Posted March 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: I don't like driving anything in NYC. I don't even like walking in NYC. I'd rather drive through Boston than NYC and some will tell you that's just plain crazy. I didn’t mind Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 7, 2022 Share #20 Posted March 7, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share #21 Posted March 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Longjohn said: I didn’t mind Boston. Again, self-aware and skilled drivers, pedestrians, or cyclists can be dropped anywhere and do fine. It's those sketchy ones that gum up the works so bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted March 7, 2022 Share #22 Posted March 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Razors Edge said: Yep - I was thinking you could drop someone like @Longjohn in the middle of NYC or London and he's fine. Drop @Dottles in the same place? I'm the king of anybody pulling street chit on me. It's not too hard to figure out. Think sex, drugs, money, extortion, violence, and theft. I'm sure you got this nailed too RE as this is your natural way of living @Razors Edge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted March 8, 2022 Share #23 Posted March 8, 2022 There are some people that have no clue what's going on around them and they never get any street smarts. I grew up in area where you learned street smarts while young or you were in trouble. When I went away to IIT, in Leroy Brown's South Side of Chicago, I was told that if a group of people was walking toward me on the same side of the street, cross over to the other side: if they did the same, run like hell. I was also told to start keeping my wallet in my front pocket. I still do that. A lifetime of that kind of advice and you have to learn a little street smarts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted March 8, 2022 Share #24 Posted March 8, 2022 Growing up in NYC, I was generally taught to be aware of your surroundings and notice people who seem to be behaving unusually. I've been on trips with friends who were not raised in a city and at times we'd be walking and I'd be saying softly "pick up your pace, stay with us and let's cross the street" and they're dawdling along, looking n store windows and saying "why cross the street? don't we want to go that way?" I marvel at their lack of awareness and they probably think I'm paranoid and over anxious. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted March 8, 2022 Share #25 Posted March 8, 2022 8 hours ago, Razors Edge said: ...because you are SANE! But surely you also didn't drive like a self-centered, situationally unaware sociopath! ...when I drove the big articulated ladder trucks here, it was usually lights and siren all the way. I'm not saying I was situationally unaware, but was definitely blowing through all the stoplights. 99% of the time, we just should have responded in a saner manner. But that was not allowed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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