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Well for the U.S. Supreme Court judges...home security. U.S. Marshals providing 'around-the-clock security' at Supreme Court justices' homes, DOJ says (msn.com)  I'm trying to envision this overt display of physical security presence outside of appellate court judge's home.....in Canada.  It may be a bit more covert.

Became first aware of threats to judges...was when I was working for the judges, Ontario Courts.

In the historic courthouse where I worked in, in 1 of the courtrooms, there are 1-2 bullet holes in court bench seating. An aggrieved client shot/killed a lawyer..who happened to be brother for 1 of the judges for another court division (there are several bldgs. in Toronto). Not sure details of court case.

Then court counter staff are trained to deal with potential violent public members. One does witness shouting rants to staff.

Then senior leaders in camera during covid..there were threats. These are not politicians, just public civil servants in senior mgmt roles, that had to explain to the media, the public. 

 

 

 

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The SCOTUS has long declared that protests outside of individuals private homes is protected by free speech, at least when it comes to medical staff who work at facilities where certain medical procedures are preformed. They also allow for public protest beyond 35’ of said medical facilities. And yet they create barriers around the court far exceeding their 35’ precedent. :dontknow:

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11 hours ago, shootingstar said:

 there are 1-2 bullet holes in court bench seating. An aggrieved client shot/killed a lawyer..

 

I was in court a few months ago. I noticed the female about obese bailiff and had thought about if I was a looney and snapped,  I could do a lot of damage before she could react. If I were a judge,  I'd demand a Rambo type bailiff. 😄

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52 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

The SCOTUS has long declared that protests outside of individuals private homes is protected by free speech, at least when it comes to medical staff who work at facilities where certain medical procedures are preformed. They also allow for public protest beyond 35’ of said medical facilities. And yet they create barriers around the court far exceeding their 35’ precedent. :dontknow:

I'd say that some animals on the farm are more equal.

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When I was on jury duty, the judge picking the jury had some extra time during one of the breaks.  She gave us a little description of the courtroom setup, including the adjacent rooms and mentioned some of the safety measures (such as a spare storage room behind the judge so that there was no window to the street behind her).  I suspect there were a lot of other measures that she didn't mention.

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1 hour ago, Kzoo said:

Always has been, always will be.  The question always is, which animals and how much more equal.

It’s just part of a risk assessment.  How much resources do you want to dedicate based on the actual risk.  

I’m doing this drill now with an upcoming trip.  Certain individuals will have a much higher level of protection, some no protection.  Just the nature of the beast.

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Just now, Prophet Zacharia said:

Yet I’m guessing those at the top have the most.

Of course as they are more likely to be targeted.  It may suck for the worker bee who gets mugged or worse but the overall impact to the organization is minimal as opposed to the CEO who could be a K&R target. 

Similar to SCOTUS as opposed to a Circuit Court Judge.  A Circuit Court Judge just doesn’t present the risk & impact that a SCOTUS judge does and so more resources are put in place for their protection. 

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18 minutes ago, ChrisL said:

impact

I think that is where the value judgement gets called into question. For a Supreme Court justice to decide it’s ok to protest 35’ in front of YOUR office but stay back from MINE should rub people the wrong way.

I automatically assume a SC Justice will have more private and public security options available at home over John Q. Public. So despite their role as a Judge, their actual risk could be far less than someone working in a disputed field.

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6 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

I think that is where the value judgement gets called into question. For a Supreme Court justice to decide it’s ok to protest 35’ in front of YOUR office but stay back from MINE should rub people the wrong way.

I automatically assume a SC Justice will have more private and public security options available at home over John Q. Public. So despite their role as a Judge, their actual risk could be far less than someone working in a disputed field.

I haven’t been following this at all but is it being reported that a Supreme Court Justice made this call or did the Park Police or whichever agency provides protection made this call?

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4 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

The SCOTUS has long declared that protests outside of individuals private homes is protected by free speech, at least when it comes to medical staff who work at facilities where certain medical procedures are preformed. They also allow for public protest beyond 35’ of said medical facilities. And yet they create barriers around the court far exceeding their 35’ precedent. :dontknow:

No idea if/what the minimum distance is for medical facilities would  be in Canada.  But it was disturbing to the health care workers who had to go in and out of hospitals. We did have some  anti-masking /freedom of whatever group protests in front of those facilities. Meanwhile no doubt if any of the protestors got sick, it's the doctor and nurses trying to save that same person. 

My original post comment during covid and threats....was actually about certain sr. public-facing managers in our organization. Who had to communicate the changes/updates re covid restrictions bylaw in our area. I don't want to get into politicians  because we know about that.

 

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9 minutes ago, ChrisL said:

I haven’t been following this at all but is it being reported that a Supreme Court Justice made this call or did the Park Police or whichever agency provides protection made this call?

I don’t know about at the Court. But I would assume if a Supreme Court Justice felt it was a violation of a protestor’s Constitutional rights they would have intervened. But I do believe some of them recently complained about protestors outside their homes. Which I can understand, frankly, but do think there should be consistency. If you’re going to allow a health care worker get harassed outside their home because someone doesn’t like their job, it seems fitting that protestors can use public space outside a Judge’s home as well.

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Just now, Prophet Zacharia said:

I don’t know about at the Court. But I would assume if a Supreme Court Justice felt it was a violation of a protestor’s Constitutional rights they would have intervened. But I do believe some of them recently complained about protestors outside their homes. Which I can understand, frankly, but do think there should be consistency. If you’re going to allow a health care worker get harassed outside their home because someone doesn’t like their job, it seems fitting that protestors can use public space outside a Judge’s home as well.

Yeah I agree the optics are bad either way. 

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13 minutes ago, shootingstar said:

No idea if/what the minimum distance is for medical facilities would  be in Canada.  But it was disturbing to the health care workers who had to go in and out of hospitals. We did have some  anti-masking /freedom of whatever group protests in front of those facilities. Meanwhile no doubt if any of the protestors got sick, it's the doctor and nurses trying to save that same person. 

I believe the poster was referring  to abortion & family planning facilities as health facilities. For a long time these facilities were targetted & picketed by protesters. Up to & including shooting doctors providing services. Escorts were used to safely transport women into & out of facilities during these times. also just to shield the protesters from the entrances.  I did this with WoScrapr for about 5 years. 

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20 minutes ago, Scrapr said:

I believe the poster was referring  to abortion & family planning facilities as health facilities. For a long time these facilities were targetted & picketed by protesters. Up to & including shooting doctors providing services. Escorts were used to safely transport women into & out of facilities during these times. also just to shield the protesters from the entrances.  I did this with WoScrapr for about 5 years. 

I believe we had that type of protest situation way back in the early 1980's in Canada...but more rare ..if people knew where to protest.  I wasn't paying attention to all that.

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