Zealot Posted August 19, 2022 Share #1 Posted August 19, 2022 If a person truly is a better person to be around when they drink a few? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #2 Posted August 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zealot said: If a person truly is a better person to be around when they drink a few? Probably not. I like to think a little alcohol goes a LONG way, so "a few" is likely too many. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #3 Posted August 19, 2022 I think they are holding too much stuff in and might need a way to unload or decompress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted August 19, 2022 Share #4 Posted August 19, 2022 I’ve seen it go a few directions. One time it was joy and making connections; a different time it was quick temper and fisticuffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jsharr ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Popular Post Share #5 Posted August 19, 2022 I can tell you this about me. I can get social anxiety and second guess myself. I am a people pleaser and want to make people happy and am scared of looking stupid. I replay conversations in my head and think of all the mistakes I made, etc. I used to call alcohol "social lubricant" and would get a bit drunk in order to quiet the voices and kill some of the anxiety. Not many people knew this about me. Took me quite a while to figure it out myself. I know I self medicate with alcohol and food. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted August 19, 2022 I relax and socialize far more easily when I have a couple. The weight of the world drops from my shoulders and so truly enjoy those I’m around. This isn’t something new for me. But it seems to go against convention. And I ponder it deeply. @jsharr, did/do you consider it negative for yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share #7 Posted August 19, 2022 I’ve certainly seen that as well, @MoseySusan. But not in my own self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted August 19, 2022 Share #8 Posted August 19, 2022 I'd like to think I'm the same person. I get a little sillier. I've only had a couple of drinks this year, can't remember the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted August 19, 2022 Share #9 Posted August 19, 2022 Happy drunks are fun Mean drunks suck And sometimes they are the same person 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted August 19, 2022 Share #10 Posted August 19, 2022 But really if I’m not drinking also, any kind of drunk is not fun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #11 Posted August 19, 2022 I am not the person to ask if you want an unbiased answer. I grew up in a family of drunks with an abusive drunken stepfather. Eventually they were all destroyed as people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Further Posted August 19, 2022 Popular Post Share #12 Posted August 19, 2022 I become more verbose when drinking 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Totin Jack ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #13 Posted August 19, 2022 I’ve seen a lot of results. Most are fun, a few were not. At 18 a friend and I had a few beers. Went out for fast food. I got pulled over for speeding. I was going to take the ticket to avoid a breath test. My got mouthy with the cop, saying I wasn’t speeding, etc. The cop arrested my friend and told me to go home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted August 19, 2022 Share #14 Posted August 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Further said: But really if I’m not drinking also, any kind of drunk is not fun This. I hate being around out of control drunk people. In our culture you don’t see it that much unless you go to bars, parties, football games and urban centers. Even on our boat cruise the other day, fully stocked bar and about 50 people- zero drunk people or signs of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share #15 Posted August 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: I am not the person to ask if you want an unbiased answer. I grew up in a family of drunks with an abusive drunken stepfather. Eventually they were all destroyed as people. I am always looking for unbiased answers, @maddmaxx. I know the sting of the abuser. You have my empathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share #16 Posted August 19, 2022 I should be a little more clear I suppose. I’m not really speaking of drunks. But I understand that’s often a very fluid target. But speaking more of someone who drinks enough to ‘take the edge off’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted August 19, 2022 Share #17 Posted August 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zealot said: I should be a little more clear I suppose. I’m not really speaking of drunks. But I understand that’s often a very fluid target. But speaking more of someone who drinks enough to ‘take the edge off’. The issue is do they stop or slow down when the edge is dulled I know I’ve crossed that line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #18 Posted August 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, Zealot said: I relax and socialize far more easily when I have a couple. The weight of the world drops from my shoulders and so truly enjoy those I’m around. This isn’t something new for me. But it seems to go against convention. And I ponder it deeply. @jsharr, did/do you consider it negative for yourself? No, but realized that the drunk happy me and the undrunk uptight me are too different people. I can't stay drunk all the time and need to work on finding the happiness and balance. Strangely, I can tell others about this, but have a hard time doing it myself and I see the angry uptight me in both my sons. It concerns me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #19 Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Zealot said: If a person truly is a better person to be around when they drink a few? I had to work with a guy who was OK with a few drinks in him. He was a PITA sober and a total jackass when blitzed. Even at his best, he wasn't anyone's better person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #20 Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Zealot said: If a person truly is a better person to be around when they drink a few? I'm definitely not. Well, perhaps, if I could just leave it at a few but I lost that choice sometime ago. Oddly, I don't mourn or miss it at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted August 19, 2022 Share #21 Posted August 19, 2022 I knew a guy in the Army who was a pretty fun drunk. One of the few. I don’t drink much anymore but I was a happy drunk. I was pretty drunk when I met my wife. She thought I was funny so good thing I wasn’t a pissed off drunk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share #22 Posted August 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, JerrySTL said: I had to work with a guy who was OK with a few drinks in him. He was a PITA sober and a total jackass when blitzed. Even at his best, he wasn't anyone's better person. I often wonder what makes a person a PITA when sober but less so when drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share #23 Posted August 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, ChrisL said: I knew a guy in the Army who was a pretty fun drunk. One of the few. I don’t drink much anymore but I was a happy drunk. I was pretty drunk when I met my wife. She thought I was funny so good thing I wasn’t a pissed off drunk. I don’t get drunk at this stage of life. But I did when I was younger. Like you, I’m a happy drunk; laugh at everything. I’ve known the angry drunks. And I wonder why they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #24 Posted August 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zealot said: I often wonder what makes a person a PITA when sober but less so when drinking. Hangovers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #25 Posted August 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zealot said: I’ve known the angry drunks. And I wonder why they are. Resentments, self-pity, low self-esteem, no self-respect. Shall I continue? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share #26 Posted August 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dottles said: Resentments, self-pity, low self-esteem, no self-respect. Shall I continue? But there are root causes for those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted August 19, 2022 Share #27 Posted August 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Zealot said: I don’t get drunk at this stage of life. But I did when I was younger. Like you, I’m a happy drunk; laugh at everything. I’ve known the angry drunks. And I wonder why they are. We had a guy in my platoon who was a raging lunatic when drunk. Helluva soldier but his drinking caused him a lot of problems. DUI’s relieved of duty etc. This guy freaking jumped off a 2nd floor balcony onto a concrete pad & did a PLF (parachute landing fall) and freaking walked away!?!? He was one tough MF’r too and I always felt better going into a fight knowing he was with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #28 Posted August 19, 2022 I drank a bit in college and in my first year in the navy but I can't handle booze. I just get woozy and tired. Eventually I just gave up and stopped drinking. I really don't enjoy it. I don't even like the taste. I have to wonder how much of that is psychological. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #29 Posted August 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, ChrisL said: We had a guy in my platoon who was a raging lunatic when drunk. Helluva soldier but his drinking caused him a lot of problems. DUI’s relieved of duty etc. This guy freaking jumped off a 2nd floor balcony onto a concrete pad & did a PLF (parachute landing fall) and freaking walked away!?!? He was one tough MF’r too and I always felt better going into a fight knowing he was with us. I had one like that who worked for me. He was given to me because everyone else gave up on him. He was a very good worker but every now and then he would go out drinking, get married and show up late enough to be awol. They would bust him back to E3 and confine him to the ship and my crew for 3 or 6 months and he sould straighten out. Rinse and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #30 Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Zealot said: But there are root causes for those things. Those are not the reasons i drank. But there is a large underground organization that would suggest you drink over character defects such as sloth, lust, lying, stealing, adultery, etc. Sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #31 Posted August 19, 2022 I have worked with more than a few over the years that were assholes until they had a few and lightened up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share #32 Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, ChrisL said: This guy freaking jumped off a 2nd floor balcony onto a concrete pad & did a PLF (parachute landing fall) and freaking walked away!?!? He was one tough MF’r too and I always felt better going into a fight knowing he was with us. That sounds more like PCP than alcohol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted August 19, 2022 Author Share #33 Posted August 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, Dottles said: Those are not the reasons i drank. But there is a large underground organization that would suggest you drink over character defects such as sloth, lust, lying, stealing, adultery, etc. Sound familiar? ?? No, not really. My thoughts were more along what trauma happens in a person’s early life that causes the later behavior issues. Root causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted August 19, 2022 Share #34 Posted August 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Zealot said: That sounds more like PCP than alcohol. Right!?! He never failed a drug test tho, it was alcohol. We were stone cold sober for this but we got into a head butting contest once. Now I’m not the smartest guy around and I wasn’t going to let that guy beat me so we kept bashing foreheads, neither of us would back down. Thank god our buddies broke it up but we were a bloody mess by the end of that one! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #35 Posted August 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, Zealot said: ?? No, not really. My thoughts were more along what trauma happens in a person’s early life that causes the later behavior issues. Root causes. Then you should take that up with the AA board. I'm all for it but there is no "answer" for addiction -- if we are talking alcoholics. People who just flip -- beats me. There are those that argue alcohol is truth syrup but I don't believe it. It can be but folks lie a lot under it and do things they would not normally do. Is that truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 19, 2022 Share #36 Posted August 19, 2022 I was always a lush when I drank -- usually. When I'm drinking it's a party and not a brawl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldendesign Posted August 19, 2022 Share #37 Posted August 19, 2022 Beers 1-4 I liked to think I was fun to be around. Problem was 1 always became 20. I wasn't a happy drunk or an angry drunk. I was just a drunk. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted August 20, 2022 Share #38 Posted August 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, goldendesign said: Beers 1-4 I liked to think I was fun to be around. Problem was 1 always became 20. I wasn't a happy drunk or an angry drunk. I was just a drunk. same here, I'm more of a boring tired drunk I agree with a drink or three after a while is fine. After that ya don' t know any truths IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 20, 2022 Share #39 Posted August 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, goldendesign said: Beers 1-4 I liked to think I was fun to be around. Problem was 1 always became 20. I wasn't a happy drunk or an angry drunk. I was just a drunk. My shut off valve failed to work after 1-4. In fact, 4 was a gateway to 5, 6, and 7. After that? Who knows? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted August 20, 2022 Share #40 Posted August 20, 2022 The guy that is drinking thinks he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 20, 2022 Share #41 Posted August 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, Further said: The guy that is drinking thinks he is The cat's meow? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted August 20, 2022 Share #42 Posted August 20, 2022 Depends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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