And I am reminded why I didn't watch football

[maddmaxx ★]

It appears the season may be over for Miami.

Tua body slammed straight to the hospital.

[Dottleshead ★]

I’m tired of watching the carnage too. It’s a violent game. I’ve caught 1 game so far.

[Randomguy]

HTFU, marines!

I was all set to watch the game, but fell asleep on the couch as they were getting going.  Last thing I remember was thinking “what the gawdawful hell are the Bengals wearing?”.

[Ralphie ★]

I have many many reasons. 
-it bores me. 
-it is violent and usually leads to unnecessary life long medical issues. 
-I have no desire to Further enrich the participants and hangers on like advertisers. 
-I.could use the time to do something productive like exercise. Fall days are usually too nice to spend inside and I don’t have an ootdoor tv. 
-I am just not part of the mainstream. 
-I am sometimes a contrarian 

[Dottleshead ★]

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[Dottleshead ★]

37 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said:

-I am just not part of the mainstream.

Are you part of the splitstream??

[Prophet Zacharia]

Does that injury happen on a grass field?

Tagovailoa hit the back of his head on the ground when he was sacked by Bengals nose tackle Josh Tupou, and his arms appeared to seize up almost immediately. He remained on the field for roughly 10 minutes before he was loaded onto a stretcher and taken away.

The Dolphins said shortly before halftime that he was conscious and had movement in all his extremities at the hospital, the University of Cincinnati Medical Center. After the game, they said Tagovailoa was expected to be released from the hospital Thursday night and travel back to Miami with the team.

[Randomguy]

3 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

Does that injury happen on a grass field?

I didn't see it, but that is a good question.  I always wonder what happens to grass fields when they get all frozey.  I imagine that some injuries go up, but why wouldn't the underlying layer not get all frozey and harder when there is artificial turf over it, too?

At any rate, football is big business, and why can't big business simply heat the grass field during game days?  Technology to do that has been around for decades.  Also, why don't the players just flat out refuse to play on turf if it is more uncomfortable and it causes lots of soft tissue injuries?  Player's union and all that.  Also also, why wouldn't some free agent players refuse to sign with teams that don't have grass fields?

Anyway, some criticisms are valid, some are not.  It is a violent sport, and violent sports are violent so we shouldn't be such pussbags about it.  They get paid to deliver and absorb hits, it is what it is.  The turf ACL tears just suck, though, so many of those are non-contact.

[maddmaxx ★]

19 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

 

Anyway, some criticisms are valid, some are not.  It is a violent sport, and violent sports are violent so we shouldn't be such pussbags about it.  They get paid to deliver and absorb hits, it is what it is.  The turf ACL tears just suck, though, so many of those are non-contact.

After all, it doesn't hurt me.  Fuck um it they can't take a joke.

 

_{Civilization will not end with a bang.  The beginning of the end is here.}

[Randomguy]

1 minute ago, maddmaxx said:

After all, it doesn't hurt me.  Fuck um it they can't take a joke.

 

_{Civilization will not end with a bang.  The beginning of the end is here.}

Football will not end civilization.

[maddmaxx ★]

21 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

Football will not end civilization.

No it won't.  Civilization will end because of humans and their interactions with each other.

[Parr8hed]

3 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

Does that injury happen on a grass field?

Tagovailoa hit the back of his head on the ground when he was sacked by Bengals nose tackle Josh Tupou, and his arms appeared to seize up almost immediately. He remained on the field for roughly 10 minutes before he was loaded onto a stretcher and taken away.

The Dolphins said shortly before halftime that he was conscious and had movement in all his extremities at the hospital, the University of Cincinnati Medical Center. After the game, they said Tagovailoa was expected to be released from the hospital Thursday night and travel back to Miami with the team.

I was thinking the same.  We see many more injuries with softball on turf, but they are soft tissue injuries.  Knees, ankles, etc.  Usually the only closed head injuries in softball come from getting hit with balls, not turf. 

[dinneR ★]

How about auto racing @maddmaxx?

I bet more people have died racing than playing football.

[Randomguy]

19 minutes ago, dinneR said:

How about auto racing @maddmaxx?

I bet more people have died racing than playing football.

Plus motorcycling, bicycling, polo, diving, hockey, sailing, and especially curling.  Lots of sports with unintended consequences out there.

[dinneR ★]

3 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

Plus motorcycling, bicycling, polo, diving, hockey, sailing, and especially curling.  Lots of sports with unintended consequences out there.

 

[maddmaxx ★]

23 minutes ago, dinneR said:

How about auto racing @maddmaxx?

I bet more people have died racing than playing football.

Auto racing has taken great pains to protect it's drivers.  Football not so much.  In fact football is a business that encourages people to hurt each other.  IMO the comparison is a bit of a stretch.

One of the prominent Nascar drivers will not be racing this weekend after having had a crash last week.  Perhaps football could remove quarterbacks from the field for a week after a sack eh?  

1 minute ago, dinneR said:

 

If they are not intentional such as in Football, Boxing, MMA fighting then you are just spooning out shit here.

[MickinMD ★]

12 hours ago, maddmaxx said:

It appears the season may be over for Miami.

Tua body slammed straight to the hospital.

From watching his get hurt week 3, I think he had a serious concussion and the back stuff might have happened too, but it was a coverup so they could get Tua back against the Bills.  The way he staggered on the field was due to a lack of balance, NOT a back injury.  That was so clear the NFLPA told the National Football League (NFL) it wants to initiate a review into the handling of Tagovailoa’s apparent Sunday head injury.

Yes, he was slammed hard last night, but it was a legal tackle to get him to the ground quickly before he got rid of the ball.

But I wonder how much of last Sunday's concussion contributed to his concussion Thursday Night.

It reminds me of the Shanahan's coaching the Redskins and playing Robert Griffin III while hurt and basically ending his career in the playoffs.  A few of us watched the game together and cringed every time RG3 got hit.  He was limping so bad we couldn't believe they left him out on the field.

Also, I started Tua in a fantasy league where I have injured Dak Prescott on the bench.  I have Wentz as another backup but don't trust using him against good teams.

[Randomguy]

5 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

In fact football is a business that encourages people to hurt each other

WRONG!  They penalize the most dangerous activities, and constantly change rules and equipment and such to make it safer.  Still, you gotta run fast, and you gotta tackle because it is a sport and not a tea party.

[MickinMD ★]

10 hours ago, Randomguy said:

HTFU, marines!

I was all set to watch the game, but fell asleep on the couch as they were getting going.  Last thing I remember was thinking “what the gawdawful hell are the Bengals wearing?”.

I didn't like the black/white Bengal uniform, mainly because I think their regular orange/black uniform looks so good.

[dinneR ★]

41 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

Auto racing has taken great pains to protect it's drivers.  Football not so much.  In fact football is a business that encourages people to hurt each other.  IMO the comparison is a bit of a stretch.

One of the prominent Nascar drivers will not be racing this weekend after having had a crash last week.  Perhaps football could remove quarterbacks from the field for a week after a sack eh?  

If they are not intentional such as in Football, Boxing, MMA fighting then you are just spooning out shit here.

I agree auto racing has made improvements to safety, yet more than 40 drivers have died in the last decade. 

The NFL has made changes as well. Enough? No. 

 

[maddmaxx ★]

1 hour ago, Randomguy said:

WRONG!  They penalize the most dangerous activities, and constantly change rules and equipment and such to make it safer.  Still, you gotta run fast, and you gotta tackle because it is a sport and not a tea party.

BS.  It's a gladiator sport with way too much money riding on the games and the gambling that players health is only a matter of not wanting to put down a winning horse.

[jsharr ★]

1 hour ago, Randomguy said:

WRONG!  They penalize the most dangerous activities, and constantly change rules and equipment and such to make it safer.  Still, you gotta run fast, and you gotta tackle because it is a sport and not a tea party.

I do not agree with this.  Yes, they have changed rules to protect QBs and try to eliminate blind hits, horse collars, etc. but they still use the big hits to promote their sport.  Watch the commercials and all you see are big hits as I recall.  Maybe I am wrong, I usually am.   New Orleans got caught paying players bounty money to injure players and their head coach was still coaching, team was owned by same guy.  NFL gave them a slap on the wrist big picture.  If they wanted to stop injuries, they would have made an example of that team and it's ownership and management and shut them down, made them sell, etc.

 

[jsharr ★]

3 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

BS.  It's a gladiator sport with way too much money riding on the games and the gambling that players health is only a matter of not wanting to put down a winning horse.

[Prophet Zacharia]

5 hours ago, Randomguy said:

why wouldn't the underlying layer not get all frozey and harder when there is artificial turf over it, too?

Because it’s concrete. 

Don’t get me wrong, I know concussions can happen on a frozen or unfrozen grass field, too. But with proper grass care, they can be softer than even the best turf fields by about 15%. And even more for an older turf field. NFLPA is advocating for 100% grass fields in all stadiums in the league.

[jsharr ★]

1 minute ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

Because it’s concrete. 

Don’t get me wrong, I know concussions can happen on a frozen or unfrozen grass field, too. But with proper grass care, they can be softer than even the best turf fields by about 15%. And even more for an older turf field. NFLPA is advocating for 100% grass fields in all stadiums in the league.

When we get the grass fields, we should take away the giant helmets with shields and full cages.  Put them back in the old leather helmets.  The leading with the head will stop.  

[Randomguy]

You guys are missing on this one.  The game has gotten safer, there is still a ways to go.  Bigs hit are part of the game, though, and they should be.  I don't want to see flag football, I want to see running backs stiff-arm defenders, break tackles, and I want to see receivers making contested catches, and defensive lines driving the offensive lines back and sack qb's and such.   Yes, they are gladiators, well paid, and hard football is exciting football.  You can't make it sound like a bullfight, though, because it isn't.  They played football before legalized gambling, hell. they played football before the forward pass, so this isn't a new thing at all.  You sound like you want the players to put on skirts and eat pastries with you when the game is over.

[jsharr ★]

3 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

You guys are missing on this one.  The game has gotten safer, there is still a ways to go.  Bigs hit are part of the game, though, and they should be.  I don't want to see flag football, I want to see running backs stiff-arm defenders, break tackles, and I want to see receivers making contested catches, and defensive lines driving the offensive lines back and sack qb's and such.   Yes, they are gladiators, well paid, and hard football is exciting football.  You can't make it sound like a bullfight, though, because it isn't.  They played football before legalized gambling, hell. they played football before the forward pass, so this isn't a new thing at all.  You sound like you want the players to put on skirts and eat pastries with you when the game is over.

pizza and wings actually.

[Road Runner]

Football could completely disappear and it wouldn't bother me one bit.  Why is our number one pastime a violent "sport" that teaches violence and bodily injury?

Boxing and other martial "arts", such as UFC fighting, which are solely based on inflicting physical harm and pain to another human being should also be outlawed.   

[Parsnip Totin Jack ★]

Speaking about the Bengal uniforms, I commented to my wife that was a brilliant marketing scheme and the fans fell for it hook, line, and sinker. The stands were filled with white jerseys. The Bengals were calling for.a “white out” and wore their new uniforms. All of those fans own black and orange jerseys but they had to go out and buy new ones. That’s money in the owners bank. 

[Parsnip Totin Jack ★]

Speaking to the concussion protocols, the Washington Post published an article today about that. Medical observers state that it looks like a second concussion with two games. Tua could be finished because of the damage. Cited were his fingers that were bent at odd angles. This is a sign of “decorticate posturing” or fencing response. Brain damage triggers the involuntary response. The team and the league don’t care about anything but profits. Color me cynical. 

[BuffJim]

I found the injury to be shocking and grotesque. Most football injuries heal and aren’t paralyzing or life threatening. When they do happen it is quite jarring. I remember Bills player Kevin Everett’s neck injury that almost killed him, ended his career, and took him several months to walk again. 
 

Wikipedia: On September 9, 2007, Everett sustained a fracture and dislocation of his cervical spinethat his doctors characterized as "life-threatening" the day after the injury, and stated it is likely to leave him with permanent neurological impairment.[2] However, on September 11, 2007, Everett showed significant movement in his arms and legs, which led doctors to speculate that he might eventually be able to walk again.[3] Indeed, Everett walked in public for the first time at Ralph Wilson Stadium before the home finale against the New York Giants on December 23, 2007.[4]

[Prophet Zacharia]

5 minutes ago, BuffJim said:

When they do happen it is quite jarring.

Ryan Shazier for the Steelers, 2017.

[dinneR ★]

16 minutes ago, Old No. 7 said:

The team and the league don’t care about anything but profits. Color me cynical. 

This is true of all sports, isn't it? Why did MLB allow doping? Sosa and McGuire sold tickets. Why did UCI allow doping? Why do they still allow, (or turn a blind eye) it? Armstrong and all of the dopers made for great racing. Pogacar is faster than Armstrong. Better bikes? Why does hockey still allow fighting?

[Parsnip Totin Jack ★]

4 minutes ago, dinneR said:

This is true of all sports, isn't it? Why did MLB allow doping? Sosa and McGuire sold tickets. Why did UCI allow doping? Why do they still allow, (or turn a blind eye) it? Armstrong and all of the dopers made for great racing. Pogacar is faster than Armstrong. Better bikes? Why does hockey still allow fighting?

Absolutely correct. 

[Dottleshead ★]

36 minutes ago, Old No. 7 said:

 The team and the league don’t care about anything but profits. Color me cynical. 

It’s a nice color on you.

[Randomguy]

1 hour ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

Ryan Shazier for the Steelers, 2017.

Oh yeah, that is right, forgot about that.  He was pretty damn good, too, IIRC.

[Randomguy]

1 hour ago, Old No. 7 said:

Why does hockey still allow fighting?

This is very odd to me.  The game stops and the refs just stand around with their hands on their dicks whilst the guys just punch the crap outta each other.  There doesn't seem a point to that, and it doesn't enhance the game.

[jsharr ★]

When the rewards are vast, the chances taken to gain those rewards will also be vast.  Parents moving to a new school to get their kid on the field.  Colleges paying kids to play and allowing steroid use, etc.   And it is not a one and done thing.  Lance is the perfect example.  Once he started, he could not stop, regardless of the cost, up to and after the point where he got caught even.

Have a good friend who fought UFC in the early days.  PED's ended his career and almost ended his life.    Great guy, but he made a choice and paid a price.   

[jsharr ★]

1 minute ago, Randomguy said:

This is very odd to me.  The game stops and the refs just stand around with their hands on their dicks whilst the guys just punch the crap outta each other.  There doesn't seem a point to that, and it doesn't enhance the game.

Interersting! I  never noticed where the refs put their hands.  I will watch for this.  Thanks for the tip.  I would agree that a refs groping themselves during fights seems a bit pointless and does not add anything worthwhile to the game.

[Randomguy]

Just now, jsharr said:

 I  never noticed where the refs put their hands.  I will watch for this.  Thanks for the tip.

I don't know if they are holding just the tip of their dicks or the shaft., but it is all very odd.

[Randomguy]

1 hour ago, Road Runner said:

Boxing and other martial "arts", such as UFC fighting, which are solely based on inflicting physical harm and pain to another human being should also be outlawed.   

At least with boxing, you have the gloves which cushion the blows somewhat and the weight of them tire the fighters a bit.  We boxed a bit among 8 or 10 of my friends in 8th grade or so.  The UFC being legal was kind of confusing when that whole thing happened.  Boxing seems more civilized and sciencey to me.

[Randomguy]

I would like to see competitive drinking be a sport, now THAT would be dangerous!

[Kzoo]

19 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

This is very odd to me.  The game stops and the refs just stand around with their hands on their dicks whilst the guys just punch the crap outta each other.  There doesn't seem a point to that, and it doesn't enhance the game.

Stepping into a fight where both (or all) participants have sharp knives attached to their feet is extremely dangerous.  Let them pound on each other and then drag them off the ice when they are done.

 

[maddmaxx ★]

2 hours ago, Randomguy said:

You guys are missing on this one.  The game has gotten safer, there is still a ways to go.  Bigs hit are part of the game, though, and they should be.  I don't want to see flag football, I want to see running backs stiff-arm defenders, break tackles, and I want to see receivers making contested catches, and defensive lines driving the offensive lines back and sack qb's and such.   Yes, they are gladiators, well paid, and hard football is exciting football.  You can't make it sound like a bullfight, though, because it isn't.  They played football before legalized gambling, hell. they played football before the forward pass, so this isn't a new thing at all.  You sound like you want the players to put on skirts and eat pastries with you when the game is over.

Well paid.  The crowd gets it circus and after all they are well paid.  The players are bred to be bigger, faster and to hit harder so injuries are worse.  The league stopped hits at the qback knees so now they get taken down on their heads.......but they are well paid.  We enjoy the spectacle.......and they are well paid.  Running backs used to be able to play the whole game for the whole season but now a team without several will be out of backs too soon...........but they are well paid.

Gladiators with sponge holes in their brain scans.

We love it.

[Randomguy]

I figured out what Tua's problem is.  He is left-handed.  This naturally makes him a target, and we know left-handers are a bit soft in the head.

54 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

The crowd gets it circus and after all they are well paid. 

Well dammit, just enjoy your circus then!

[maddmaxx ★]

2 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

I figured out what Tua's problem is.  He is left-handed.  This naturally makes him a target, and we know left-handers are a bit soft in the head.

Well dammit, just enjoy your circus then!

Not me.  I'm done with it.