Anyone want to gander on how this Russia, Ukraine, China, Europe, US thing is going to play out?

[Dottleshead ★]

Yeah, me neither.

[maddmaxx ★]

Boom

[Dottleshead ★]

19 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

Boom

That’s a possibility. 

[Wilbur ★]

I am not convinced it will go nuclear yet.  Putin is claiming victory for the provinces annexed from Ukraine and will eventually draw back troops.  There will be global pressure on Ukraine to accept the lost land.  Once Putin rebuilds his military, he will carry on his quest to expand territory in other nations.  This isn't over.  Not by a long shot. 

[maddmaxx ★]

56 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

I am not convinced it will go nuclear yet.  Putin is claiming victory for the provinces annexed from Ukraine and will eventually draw back troops.  There will be global pressure on Ukraine to accept the lost land.  Once Putin rebuilds his military, he will carry on his quest to expand territory in other nations.  This isn't over.  Not by a long shot. 

Don't forget to ask the Ukrainians if they will stop or withdraw.

[Wilbur ★]

2 hours ago, maddmaxx said:

Don't forget to ask the Ukrainians if they will stop or withdraw.

If they don't, and if Russia senses a weakening support for Ukraine, you will see Putin exercise the nuclear option.   Just my guess at how his devious but demented mind works. 

[MickinMD ★]

If it works out that we and Europe have limits on trade with Russia, China and India, I think it's better for the long run if most of Ukraine remains independent.

Lenin used to say the West will sell Russia the rope with which Russia will hang it.  Right now, the money flowing into China and Russia-in normal times- is slowly doing that to us.

[KrAzY]

I am just waiting on seeing when WW3 starts. If it is not going to stop soon, and Russia keeps annexing land in Ukraine this is not going to end well. I honestly believe that we already got skin in the game from all the money and weapons we are supplying to Ukraine, just a matter of time when we officially have boots on the ground. 

[ChrisL]

8 minutes ago, KrAzY said:

I am just waiting on seeing when WW3 starts. If it is not going to stop soon, and Russia keeps annexing land in Ukraine this is not going to end well. I honestly believe that we already got skin in the game from all the money and weapons we are supplying to Ukraine, just a matter of time when we officially have boots on the ground. 

I like how you used the word officially.  I’d venture to guess our Special Forces are working with the Ukrainians with intel gathering and assistance with utilization of the new weapons systems.

[KrAzY]

3 minutes ago, ChrisL said:

I like how you used the word officially.  I’d venture to guess our Special Forces are working with the Ukrainians with intel gathering and assistance with utilization of the new weapons systems.

I am sure we are helping in may way including drones, intel, how to instructions, and maybe a few small groups of special ops running around. Things are happening too precise for Russia to have this many issues with their forces. Yes they are under trained and are using broken stuff, but their losses are well over that of Ukraine compared to what they should be. This is just going to be more once they send in the drafted that do not want any part of this. it is going to be massive causality of mass surrender 

[maddmaxx ★]

35 minutes ago, KrAzY said:

I am sure we are helping in may way including drones, intel, how to instructions, and maybe a few small groups of special ops running around. Things are happening too precise for Russia to have this many issues with their forces. Yes they are under trained and are using broken stuff, but their losses are well over that of Ukraine compared to what they should be. This is just going to be more once they send in the drafted that do not want any part of this. it is going to be massive causality of mass surrender 

Unfortunately this means that the only card Putin has left is the nuclear one.  I wonder where the west will draw the line.  IMO the exchange of a couple of cities would be the end of the Putin era as his "friends" decide it's time for a new government.

Sucks if you live in one of those cities.

[KrAzY]

10 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

Unfortunately this means that the only card Putin has left is the nuclear one.  I wonder where the west will draw the line.  IMO the exchange of a couple of cities would be the end of the Putin era as his "friends" decide it's time for a new government.

Sucks if you live in one of those cities.

I'm betting it will come down to a couple well perched marksmen before the first boom boom is sent off. I'm just more surprised it has not happened yet by his own trusted people. I understand they are brainwashed and all, but a few of them have to understand what's going on is wrong

[Bikeguy]

28 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

would be the end of the Putin era as his "friends" decide it's time for a new government.

That has been 'the goal' from the beginning.     It's interesting that the 'big guy' says the secret stuff out loud every now and then.  

Of course the people in Ukraine are the victims of where they happen to live. 

1 hour ago, KrAzY said:

I am just waiting on seeing when WW3 starts.

It started... we just don't realize that yet.  

We will all see how this plays out.  Probably not good at all... 

[maddmaxx ★]

Russia has moved 4 Tu160 Blackjack bombers to an airfield near the Finland border.  These join 3 Bear bombers already in place.  These are nuclear capable aircraft and they now provide a threat to England and the northern countries.  Putin is posturing his threat to the west.

 

[Wilbur ★]

Just now, maddmaxx said:

Russia has moved 4 Tu160 Blackjack bombers to an airfield near the Finland border.  These join 3 Bear bombers already in place.  These are nuclear capable aircraft and they now provide a threat to England and the northern countries.  Putin is posturing his threat to the west.

 

Yep. He has stated as much. 

[ChrisL]

1 hour ago, maddmaxx said:

Russia has moved 4 Tu160 Blackjack bombers to an airfield near the Finland border.  These join 3 Bear bombers already in place.  These are nuclear capable aircraft and they now provide a threat to England and the northern countries.  Putin is posturing his threat to the west.

 

Is 7 bombers really a threat though?  I mean the west has been under the threat of a nuclear missile strike for 70 years.  I may be wrong but 7 bombers in Finland hardly seems a threat.  

[Bikeguy]

24 minutes ago, ChrisL said:

I mean the west has been under the threat of a nuclear missile strike for 70 years.

This is indeed true...   But using the missiles in approximately 30 minutes...  there won't be anyone left to do anything about them being used. 

24 minutes ago, ChrisL said:

Is 7 bombers really a threat though?

I'd suggest they can serve 2 purposes; 

1) Just being at the airfield, they cause at least some people to have concern about their intended use.  More of a  psychological attack on the west.

2) The jets can drop other bombs too.   That may happen sooner than later.  

The unthinkable but 3rd purpose... to deploy  tactical nuclear weapons.  Is still unlikely (at least I hope it won't happen) but this is a possibility that will end poorly for many millions of people. 

Then again... that may be part of the plan to get the world population down to 500 million, sooner than later. 

[maddmaxx ★]

The Blackjacks moved to that airfield have been launching conventional warhead missiles into Ukraine all along from airfields inside Russia

[ChrisL]

24 minutes ago, Bikeguy said:

This is indeed true...   But using the missiles in approximately 30 minutes...  there won't be anyone left to do anything about them being used. 

I'd suggest they can serve 2 purposes; 

1) Just being at the airfield, they cause at least some people to have concern about their intended use.  More of a  psychological attack on the west.

2) The jets can drop other bombs too.   That may happen sooner than later.  

The unthinkable but 3rd purpose... to deploy  tactical nuclear weapons.  Is still unlikely (at least I hope it won't happen) but this is a possibility that will end poorly for many millions of people. 

Then again... that may be part of the plan to get the world population down to 500 million, sooner than later. 

My point was really are they a threat to western nations?  Sure they can launch missiles into Ukrain but I don’t see them as a much of a threat to England or other western nations with modern day anti aircraft & missile batteries & opposing fighters.  

I don’t see them getting a shot off against a country like England.

[Dottleshead ★]

So has anyone in the EU mobilizing? I gotta think if I lived in any European NATO country I am preparing for the worst. Sorry kids but prepare for war.

[Bikeguy]

2 minutes ago, ChrisL said:

My point was really are they a threat to western nations?

Not at first.   Suppose they do the unthinkable and bomb Ukraine with a tactical nuclear weapon.   How long before Europe and NATO respond?  And how do they respond?

There could be different opinions about how to respond and NATO could start to fall apart.  

I keep telling WoBG....  You never thought you would get front row seats to the end of the world.  

This will be interesting to see how it unfolds... 

[ChrisL]

4 minutes ago, Dottles said:

So has anyone in the EU mobilizing? I gotta think if I lived in any European NATO country I am preparing for the worst. Sorry kids but prepare for war.

I think what most civilians don’t realize is our military and those of our Allie’s are always preparing for the worst.  We may have scaled back some after the Cold War but we never really let our guard down, especially against Russia & China.  

I feel confident that we as well as other NATO countries have a firm grip on the situation.  

[Dottleshead ★]

6 minutes ago, ChrisL said:

I think what most civilians don’t realize is our military and those of our Allie’s are always preparing for the worst.  We may have scaled back some after the Cold War but we never really let our guard down, especially against Russia & China.  

I feel confident that we as well as other NATO countries have a firm grip on the situation.  

I do too, actually. They are losing this war and they have lost or injured over half their forces. Putin is trying to claim victory but it’s too late. The question now is does he take the world down in flames with him. Psycho guys are ahem…. Unpredictable and psycho.