Airehead ★ Posted January 8 Share #1 Posted January 8 I really thought I had misunderstood the headline. The shooting was not accidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted January 8 Share #2 Posted January 8 They were carrying the gun for "protection". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris... Posted January 8 Share #3 Posted January 8 I bet he was just vaccinated 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted January 8 Share #4 Posted January 8 Where does a six-year-old get a gun? I bet some parent or sibling is going to be in big trouble. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead ★ Posted January 8 Author Share #5 Posted January 8 35 minutes ago, JerrySTL said: Where does a six-year-old get a gun? I bet some parent or sibling is going to be in big trouble. Really feels like the family influence must be blamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted January 8 Share #6 Posted January 8 Obviously the kid meant to injure and not kill. It is Virginia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groupw Posted January 8 Share #7 Posted January 8 I was too tired to read the article last night, but the preview mentioned he had brought bullets days before? This sounds so premeditated, I wonder if the parents didn’t coach him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead ★ Posted January 8 Author Share #8 Posted January 8 What happens to a six year old ? Too young for juvenile detention. Maybe a foster home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted January 8 Share #9 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, JerrySTL said: Where does a six-year-old get a gun? I bet some parent or sibling is going to be in big trouble. One would hope so 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted January 8 Share #10 Posted January 8 19 minutes ago, Airehead said: What happens to a six year old ? Too young for juvenile detention. Maybe a foster home? I forget the legal term but there is a certain age where the legal system doesn’t charge children as they can’t really comprehend the gravity & consequence of their actions. I’m guessing but I’d think this would come into play here. The gun owner and/or parents are likely the only ones to face charges here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petitepedal ★ Posted January 8 Share #11 Posted January 8 It is a sad reflection on humanity 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead ★ Posted January 8 Author Share #12 Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, petitepedal said: It is a sad reflection on humanity Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted January 8 Share #13 Posted January 8 They say that it wasn't an accident and the child meant to do it. I'd say some psych care for a few years might help. Then DCS needs to take a close look at his home life environment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted January 8 Share #14 Posted January 8 11 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: They say that it wasn't an accident and the child meant to do it. I'd say some psych care for a few years might help. Then DCS needs to take a close look at his home life environment. That’s the point I made earlier though. You can make an argument that a 6 YO meant to do it, but did the 6 YO understand the consequences of their actions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted January 8 Share #15 Posted January 8 That means the child was shown to even how to use the gun. I mean shown in person, not tv. Which parents do show kids certain things out of "fun". And some parents are just stupid at times. Really stupid and negligent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead ★ Posted January 8 Author Share #16 Posted January 8 9 minutes ago, shootingstar said: That means the child was shown to even how to use the gun. I mean shown in person, not tv. Which parents do show kids certain things out of "fun". And some parents are just stupid at times. Really stupid and negligent. And adults are responsible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Far Posted January 8 Share #17 Posted January 8 There’s a lot of moving parts in this unfortunate event. The teacher yelled to the other students to get out after being shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted January 8 Share #18 Posted January 8 This happened across the river from me. In many parts of the Tidewater area, gangs have become a major problem. It seems like we have a couple homicides a day around here and most are young people and likely part of gang activity. It is common these days to see a young person murdered one day and a second one murdered the next day in the same general area. Gangs fighting and retaliating. Children growing up exposed daily to all of this mayhem are likely to become even more destructive than their parents. My guess is that if any six year-old decides to kill his teacher and has ready access to the means to do so, his "home life" is likely to be a cesspool of hate and violence, gang related or not. But unless all this gang activity can somehow be stopped or curtailed, even more horrific episodes of violence and death are in store for our local population. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead ★ Posted January 8 Author Share #19 Posted January 8 Good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted January 8 Share #20 Posted January 8 20 minutes ago, Road Runner said: This happened across the river from me. In that area and in many parts of the Tidewater area, gangs are a real problem. It seems like we have a couple homicides a day around here and most are young people and likely part of gang activity. It is common these days to see a young person murdered one day and a second one murdered the next day in the same general area. Gangs fighting and retaliating. Children growing up exposed daily to all of this mayhem are likely to become even more destructive than their parents. My guess is that if any six year-old decides to kill his teacher and has ready access to the means to do so, his "home life" is likely to be a cesspool of hate and violence. Unless all this gang activity can somehow be stopped or curtailed, even more horrific episodes of violence and death are in store for our local population. As long as the justice system is a revolving door for multiple offender juveniles the gang problem will not improve. We had one here with 11 prior offenses who finally killed someone with a stolen car. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted January 8 Share #21 Posted January 8 This is soooo messed up. 3 hours ago, ChrisL said: I forget the legal term but there is a certain age where the legal system doesn’t charge children as they can’t really comprehend the gravity & consequence of their actions. I’m guessing but I’d think this would come into play here. This was mentioned in an news article. Under Virginia law, a 6-year-old cannot be charged as an adult. And while it is possible the child could be charged criminally in juvenile court, the minimum age to be sentenced to a juvenile prison in Virginia is 11. 3 hours ago, ChrisL said: The gun owner and/or parents are likely the only ones to face charges here. This... While it is possible that the child could be criminally charged, legal scrutiny could also fall on the child’s parents or another adult. Virginia law prohibits leaving a loaded gun where it is accessible to children under the age of 14. 59 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: As long as the justice system is a revolving door for multiple offenders We just made a large revolving door in IL. Our state legislature in it's wisdom passed the SAFE-T act. The provisions were to start on 1/1/23. It's now on hold in the courts. It will be interesting how this works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted January 8 Share #22 Posted January 8 3 hours ago, shootingstar said: That means the child was shown to even how to use the gun. I mean shown in person, not tv. Which parents do show kids certain things out of "fun". And some parents are just stupid at times. Really stupid and negligent. This isn’t necessarily true. Depending on the type of firearm and how it was stored, it could be discharged with absolutely zero training whatsoever. Curious kids kill themselves or a sibling quiet frequently due to unsecured loaded firearms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted January 8 Share #23 Posted January 8 If 6 year olds were guaranteed the right to vote and could get paid college tuition, we wouldn't have this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted January 8 Share #24 Posted January 8 18 minutes ago, ChrisL said: This isn’t necessarily true. Depending on the type of firearm and how it was stored, it could be discharged with absolutely zero training whatsoever. Yeah a loaded and racked pistol, some don't even have safeties (or they aren't used) would be easy to shoot. I'd guess this is what happened. The loaded and racked gun was carelessly stored... or worse just out on a table. etc... I'm not sure a 6 year old could rack a pistol. Pulling the trigger... is the easy part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted January 8 Share #25 Posted January 8 12 minutes ago, Bikeguy said: I'm not sure a 6 year old could rack a pistol. Pulling the trigger... is the easy part. I guess it would depend on the 6 YO but I’d think it would be hard for most children under 10 to chamber a round on a semi auto pistol. It could have been a revolver too but the DA trigger pull might be tough… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted January 8 Share #26 Posted January 8 6 hours ago, groupw said: I was too tired to read the article last night, but the preview mentioned he had brought bullets days before? This sounds so premeditated, I wonder if the parents didn’t coach him. It amazes me that kids would think about intentionally shooting someone. Something is seriously different about concepts of the preciousness of life and being an asset to society today. I walked into the "Best in Baltimore" sub shop/carryout today, Ann's Dari Creme, and ordered a whole cheeseburger sub LTMFOP (LTM, fried onions and pickles) and fries. One waitress asked how I know the letters and I said I used to work a grill in high school and college. That led to a conversation with a 77 year-old guy also waiting for an order about us eating Ann's food since the 50's and it turned out his son had gone to the high school where I taught when I taught there. The son, 48, soon came in, we reminisced about the early 90's, and I mentioned it had reached the point where former students of mine had aged and were no longer working the cash register at local stores or working as tellers at banks so I wasn't getting discounts anymore or told when the CD rates were going to change. I'd buy an $85 pair of shoes at Thom McAn and it would be rung up as $65 and the cashier would say, "I'm not going to charge one of our Old Mill High teachers regular price. I gave you my discount." I didn't know her name and had never taught her in class or coached her in sports - but teachers used to be thought of in a special way. The son commented, "I don't think the kids today would even bother to do that." Even back in the early 1960's, when several of us preteen kids, aged 8-12, would walk a mile to Sears with 22 rifles in their cases slung over our shoulders, walk into Sears and buy 50 22-shorts for target practice - with the adults not thinking twice about selling them to us, then walk a mile to the woods around Bloody Pond where chalk cliffs existed at an abandoned quarry, NO ONE ever considered the possibility of shooting someone. It had been embedded in our minds by early age that you would never shoot anyone. We would have never thought of saying to each other, "Don't shoot anyone," because the concept was so far removed from our minds we didn't need to do so. And there were hundreds of kids with guns, mostly teenagers, who hung around the Bloody Pond area and I never heard of anyone getting shot, even by accident. We had been schooled by adults in handling guns and once the clips were in the rifles or a bullet was in the chamber, you always kept you gun aimed away from people. I used to take my beagle, Scout, rabbit hunting in that area and always made sure I wasn't going to shoot in a direction where someone might be hidden behind the trees and brush. It's a far different attitude today and it's getting embedded in kids when they're young, just like the better attitudes were when I was a kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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