Bacon and sausages as big a cancer threat as cigarettes

[Road Runner]

     https://ca.news.yahoo.com/bacon-sausages-big-cancer-threat-083910518.html

 

The World Health Organisation is planning to declare that bacon, sausages and other processed meats cause cancer.

The announcement is expected to list the fry-up favourites in the same category as arsenic, asbestos and cigarettes.

Red meat will also be declared “probably carcinogenic to humans”, and will be ranked as only slightly less dangerous than preserved products, according to a Daily Mail source.

Processed meat, which include pastrami, salami, hot dogs and some types of sausages is made by smoking, curing, salting or adding preservatives.

The World Cancer Research Fund said: “There is strong evidence that eating a lot of these foods [red and processed meat] increases your risk of bowel cancer.”

Bowel cancer is the second most common cancer in Europe and the third most common worldwide, according to Cancer Research UK.

It is also the second most common cause of cancer deaths in the UK, accounting for ten per cent of all deaths from cancer. 

The NHS website says that evidence shows there is “probably a link between eating red and processed meat and the risk of bowel cancer”.

“People who eat a lot of these meats are at higher risk of bowel cancer than those who eat small amounts,” it adds.

According to the Mail, the decision by the WHO was made following a meeting and review of available evidence by scientists from ten nations including the UK.

But the decision, expected to be announced on Monday, could have a serious financial impact on farmers and the food industry.

Betsy Booren, of the North American Meat Institute, said recently: “If they determine that red and processed meat causes cancer – and I think they will – that moniker will stick. It could take decades and billions of dollars to change that.”

[Wilbur ★]

I told you guys I was bad for you!

[team scooter]

Again, I refuse to give up the things that make me glad to be alive in the first place. 

[Page Turner]

...if I can't eat bacon, I don't want to be a part of your revolution. 

[Randomguy]

...if I can't eat bacon, I don't want to be a part of your revolution. 

Bacon gives me reflux, but I love it.  I don't eat much of it because of it, though. I love red meat, it is the tastiest meat there is (ina grocery setting).

[maddmaxx ★]

Yes and a few years ago they announced that cooking meat on hot metal caused cancer.  Mine was caused by sunlight.   I have living proof in my house that it's strongly tied to genetics too.

 

At this point I am convinced that everything causes cancer and one only has to live long enough to find out which one gets you,

[Page Turner]

Bacon gives me reflux, but I love it.  I don't eat much of it because of it, though. I love red meat, it is the tastiest meat there is (ina grocery setting).

...try the Italian version, pancetta, which is cured using a different process. Not suggesting you make youir own, just find some for sale and see if you react the same way.

[Page Turner]

...the debate on nitrates and cancer continues.  Certainly eating a lot of meat on a regular and prolonged basis seems to have some statistical association.  But as you say, nutrition and cancer studies remain more or less in the dark ages in terms of hard science and causation.  I am uncomfortable with statistical studies that seem to overreach in their conclusions.

[Zephyr]

The thing is, they twice in the article refer to those who eat "a lot"

Define "a lot" 

I am sure (read that as 'hope') if they come out and issue the statement, they'll be more accurate.

[Page Turner]

At this point I am convinced that everything causes cancer and one only has to live long enough to find out which one gets you,

...one of my teachers once pointed out to me that he could run a study and induce a statistical probability of cancer in mice by rubbing them with distilled water. The constant rubbing being apparently enough to cause a few cases more than in the controls.  It may have been apocryphal. 

[maddmaxx ★]

The scientific community has made huge strides in cancer research.  At times that also appears to be the result of throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall in the form of grants to "researchers" and then sorting out truth from could be's.

[Road Runner]

...one of my teachers once pointed out to me that he could run a study and induce a statistical probability of cancer in mice by rubbing them with distilled water. The constant rubbing being apparently enough to cause a few cases more than in the controls.  It may have been apocryphal. 

I never rub my mouse with distilled water.  However, I do wipe it off from time to time to get rid of the crud.

[LoneWolf]

I had corned beef this morning in my omelet  and I am a better man for it.

[Road Runner]

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I might think that there is a worldwide movement to get people to stop eating pork and beef and to stop drinking sodas of any type.

I have seen a ton of bad press lately on sodas.  Everybody is blaming sodas for obesity.  Even diet sodas.  But beer is okay, just colas are evil.   

[Wilbur ★]

I had corned beef this morning in my omelet  and I am a better man for it.

I have never heard of this combo before..

[LoneWolf]

I have never heard of this combo before..

Irish omelet.  Home fries, cheddar, and corned beef.  Food of Heaven.

[Square Wheels]

I'm not worried.   I eat sausage maybe once a year and we eat eat turkey bacon. 

[LoneWolf]

I'm not worried.   I eat sausage maybe once a year and we eat eat turkey bacon. 

Sausage was given to me by my Creator as one of the ultimate gifts of happiness.

So, I'm not going to worry either.

[Wilbur ★]

Irish omelet.  Home fries, cheddar, and corned beef.  Food of Heaven.

Because it won't kill you there?

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

  

Red meat will also be declared “probably carcinogenic to humans”, and will be ranked as only slightly less dangerous than preserved products, according to a Daily Mail source.

When I see a supposedly reputable organization throwing dirt or casting doubt on something by using the words "probably" or "likely", to me it means they don't have evidence, facts, or reliable studies to support the position.  Otherwise the organization would say "does" or "will".

What I do conclude from such statements is the organization has an agenda.  Its leadership feels compelled to issue such statements, leaning upon the organization's reputation, because it wishes to advance certain policies despite the lack of sufficient facts.

Which in turn undermines the credibility of the organization and its leadership.

Which in turn prompts me to ask what possible benefits would drive the organization to issue statements that are obviously built on sand foundations.  I'm not all that familiar with the World Health Organization, but I suspect some research would uncover what drives them to say red meat is "probably" carcinogenic.

 

[Zealot]

This life is terminal. 

In making the most of the time we are given - health wise - moderation is key.

 

[Further]

This life is terminal. 

In making the most of the time we are given - health wise - moderation is key

a little of everything is better for you than a lot of anything

[FX_James_7.9]

If you actually read the article it is due to the processed meats. why do people get so threatened and defensive when they learn about threats from our crappy food supply?

[LoneWolf]

If you actually read the article it is due to the processed meats. why do people get so threatened and defensive when they learn about threats from our crappy food supply?

Red meat was categorized differently than processed meats.  Apparently, unprocessed cow has gloom and doom all over it too.

 

[FX_James_7.9]

processed, treated,  hormonized,  antibiotic BS american red meat or grass fed bison? there's a difference. if you're eating a hamburger you generally don't give a damn

Edited October 24, 2015 by FX_James_7.9

[LoneWolf]

processed, treated,  hormonized,  antibiotic BS american red meat or grass fed bison? there's a difference. if you're eating a hamburger you generally don't give a damn

They labeled all the other meats as processed.  They labeled "red meat" as "red meat".

And heck, I'd rather eat meat processed the way it is now than as described (accurately) in Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" a hundred years ago.

[FX_James_7.9]

why do you think what you're stuffing your greedy maw with is any different in 2015?

[LoneWolf]

why do you think what you're stuffing your greedy maw with is any different in 2015?

It doesn't have nails in it, and one would hope it has a lot less rat turds and bits of human fingertips.

The Jungle resulted in the 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act, which itself later resulted in the FDA.

EDIT: "my greedy maw"?  Remind me how you know my personal eating habits.

Edited October 25, 2015 by LoneWolf

[FX_James_7.9]

i'd rather have a nail than a cancer causing anti biotic or hormone or new preseravative

[Page Turner]

i'd rather have a nail than a cancer causing anti biotic or hormone or new preseravative

...^^^never actually tried to eat a nail ^^^ 

[Page Turner]

 

EDIT: "my greedy maw"?  Remind me how you know my personal eating habits.

...   @FX_James_7.9 is certain that the rest of us are fat slobs who have no respect for the temples that are our bodies.  He has a fat fetish.  Probably a closeted chubby chaser.

[LoneWolf]

i'd rather have a nail than a cancer causing anti biotic or hormone or new preseravative

I'd rather we all treated each other with respect.  Just sayin'.

So I hope you have a lovely evening whether we agree on any of this topic or not.

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

i'd rather have a nail than a cancer causing anti biotic or hormone or new preseravative

I once saw a documentary about people who wished for that very thing.  Look what happened to them, and on VHS no less!

 

[FX_James_7.9]

spitoon. ouch a nail but no cancer. any questions?

[Zealot]

a little of everything is better for you than a lot of anything

Agreed. 

[Pokey]

I'd rather we all treated each other with respect.  Just sayin'.

So I hope you have a lovely evening whether we agree on any of this topic or not.

Well said

Moderation, lots of variety, keep moving and chocolate chip cookies. Made with butter. Real butter, not oleo.

 

[Pokey]

Yes and a few years ago they announced that cooking meat on hot metal caused cancer.  Mine was caused by sunlight.   I have living proof in my house that it's strongly tied to genetics too.

 

At this point I am convinced that everything causes cancer and one only has to live long enough to find out which one gets you,

This.

...one of my teachers once pointed out to me that he could run a study and induce a statistical probability of cancer in mice by rubbing them with distilled water. The constant rubbing being apparently enough to cause a few cases more than in the controls.  It may have been apocryphal. 

Yuppers.

The thing is, they twice in the article refer to those who eat "a lot"

Define "a lot" 

I am sure (read that as 'hope') if they come out and issue the statement, they'll be more accurate.

This too.

This life is terminal. 

In making the most of the time we are given - health wise - moderation is key.

 

No one gets out alive.

Enjoy your life as best you can.

 

[Zealot]

i'd rather have a nail than a cancer causing anti biotic or hormone or new preseravative

Unless of course you contracted tetanus or botulism. 

[Pokey]

Think about how much food rotted in warehouses and in storage before proper preservation came along. Seriously....what was the average lifespan a century and a half ago vs today?

Medicine plays a huge part, but, don't ignore the fact that more varieties of fresh or preserved food stuffs are available today.

I'm not crazy about the GMOs and growth hormones plus antibiotics, but think of the billions of souls on this planet that need to be fed.

The "shop local" ideal just doesn't play well in the whole scheme of things.

[FX_James_7.9]

yes i'd rather have tetanus than cancer. dolt

[Zealot]

yes i'd rather have tetanus than cancer. dolt

Ok.

[LoneWolf]

yes i'd rather have tetanus than cancer. dolt

I'd rather you just treated everyone civilly.  Is there any reason you feel so threatened you need to be this abrasive with everyone?

[Page Turner]

yes i'd rather have tetanus than cancer. dolt

...^^^never actually seen anyone with a tetanus infection ^^^

[Square Wheels]

I'd rather you just treated everyone civilly.  Is there any reason you feel so threatened you need to be this abrasive with everyone?

I'm in agreement.   Be civil or take it elsewhere. 

[Thaddeus Kosciuszko]

 Is there any reason you feel so threatened you need to be this abrasive with everyone?

The reason is it's much easier to get reaction out of someone by calling them names than it is to persuade them through an intelligent and cohesive series of logical statements. 

Such abrasiveness, and in particular name-calling, isn't an indication of a keen or quick mind.  After all, it's pretty much how children in kindergarten carry out their 'debates'.

[FX_James_7.9]

here ya go, bacon flavored pop tarts, natural schmatural

 

Pop-Tarts have 5 new flavors on the horizon

WANE Staff ReportsPublished: October 24, 2015, 11:24 am  Updated: October 24, 2015, 11:26 am

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(WANE) It’s about to get “Crazy Good” with five new Pop-Tarts flavors.

Pop-Tarts confirmed Friday when it tweeted, “It’s real and they’re coming in December.”

Starting in December, Kellogg’s will add bacon, watermelon and pink lemonade to its Pop-Tarts flavor list, according to an article tweeted out by the company from Delish. Kellogg’s has released more than two dozen flavors since it started out in 1964, including PB&J.

Do these flavors sound fantastic or flawed?

FantasticFlawedI'll have to try them first.

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Three new flavors hit the shelves this winter and two more will be added in the spring. Bacon lovers can get their fix with the new Maple and Bacon Pop-Tarts. The bacon sensation will have salt and smoky flavored “crunchlets.”

 

Other Pop-Tarts flavors on the horizon include Frosted Watermelon and Frosted Chocolaty Caramel. Those three will be offered for a limited time.

Spring inspired flavors will roll out in 2016 with new limited edition Frosted Spring Strawberry– out early in the year– and Pink Lemonade Pop-Tarts, which is expected to come out in April. The new strawberry pastry is a twist on the original flavor with a fun cartoon painted on the frosting.

 

http://wane.com/2015/10/24/pop-tarts-have-5-new-flavors-on-the-horizon/

[LoneWolf]

You have a choice to eat them or not.  Choose not to.  Your choice.  Personally, they do sound nasty to me.

Which is something I can say without insulting you.  In a completely civil tone, as one person to another.

[FX_James_7.9]

but as a society bad food choices affect us all because of the burden on the medical industry. it's avoidable

[Road Runner]

but as a society bad food choices affect us all because of the burden on the medical industry. it's avoidable

The "burden on the medical industry"?  Not sure what that means, but I prefer a society where people be allowed to make their own personal choices, good or bad.  You are going to be a "burden" on the medical industry at some point.  If you make the wrong choices and die young, you are no longer a "burden".  

[FX_James_7.9]

sure but why not avoid the worst characters. getting people to quit smoking was a good thing?

yes or no?

obesity is the next bad guy