Wilbur ★ Posted October 7, 2017 Share #1 Posted October 7, 2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted October 7, 2017 Share #2 Posted October 7, 2017 Wow!!! I bet some people were counting their blessings after that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted October 7, 2017 Share #3 Posted October 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Zealot said: Wow!!! I bet some people were counting their blessings after that ! And changing their under garments. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted October 7, 2017 Share #4 Posted October 7, 2017 17 minutes ago, BuffJim said: And changing their under garments. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted October 7, 2017 Share #5 Posted October 7, 2017 Wow! On July 17, 1996, my companion Phyllis and I took off on a NW Airlines flight from JFK Airport in NY. Taking off from JFK 15 minutes behind us and following us across the Atlantic was TWA Flight 800. We probably crossed paths with some of the passengers in the airport. It blew up behind us over the ocean but we were totally ignorant of the event! We were heading to Amsterdam on NW Airlines to make a connecting Royal Dutch KLM flight to Athens to begin a 2-week incredible vacation: 3 days in Athens/Southern Greece, 7 days on an "Aegean Odyssey" Cruise, and 3 days in Istanbul. When we landed in Amsterdam, we were startled that security was being extra vigilant - no one told us anything. After we landed in Athens we were shepherded into a meeting room in our hotel - there were about 20 from the same tour on our plane - and told about TWA Flight 800. We went on to have one of the most memorable and pleasing vacations of our lives, but then it came time to fly home and still no one knew what had caused the plane to explode. Phyllis said she was glad we were flying home from Istanbul instead of Athens because of much better security. Still, she grabbed the armrests on both flights, white-knuckled, all the way back to JFK. When the wheels touched down in NY, the whole plane erupted in tremendous applause! I think most of us didn't realize how much nervous tension had built-up in us until it was all over. I imagine something like that occurred when that Airbus at Dusseldorf came to a stop! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted October 7, 2017 Share #6 Posted October 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, MickinMD said: Wow! On July 17, 1996, my companion Phyllis and I took off on a NW Airlines flight from JFK Airport in NY. Taking off from JFK 15 minutes behind us and following us across the Atlantic was TWA Flight 800. We probably crossed paths with some of the passengers in the airport. It blew up behind us over the ocean but we were totally ignorant of the event! We were heading to Amsterdam on NW Airlines to make a connecting Royal Dutch KLM flight to Athens to begin a 2-week incredible vacation: 3 days in Athens/Southern Greece, 7 days on an "Aegean Odyssey" Cruise, and 3 days in Istanbul. When we landed in Amsterdam, we were startled that security was being extra vigilant - no one told us anything. After we landed in Athens we were shepherded into a meeting room in our hotel - there were about 20 from the same tour on our plane - and told about TWA Flight 800. We went on to have one of the most memorable and pleasing vacations of our lives, but then it came time to fly home and still no one knew what had caused the plane to explode. Phyllis said she was glad we were flying home from Istanbul instead of Athens because of much better security. Still, she grabbed the armrests on both flights, white-knuckled, all the way back to JFK. When the wheels touched down in NY, the whole plane erupted in tremendous applause! I think most of us didn't realize how much nervous tension had built-up in us until it was all over. I imagine something like that occurred when that Airbus at Dusseldorf came to a stop! Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted October 7, 2017 Share #7 Posted October 7, 2017 Our best friends brother is a Captain for that airline, i still haven't gotten to chat with her to see if that was him. Yikes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share #8 Posted October 7, 2017 16 minutes ago, Zephyr said: Our best friends brother is a Captain for that airline, i still haven't gotten to chat with her to see if that was him. Yikes! Just a bad combination of crab relative to the runway and rudder deflection. Once the tires touch and provide friction, the rudder isn't effective enough to straighten it out. Unless gusty, then all bets are off. All good, worked out well but a little uncomfortable for those in back. IT happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted October 7, 2017 Share #9 Posted October 7, 2017 I've been on a few landings like that but always in little planes like twin otters where we were getting blown all over the place, but never in a plane that big. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted October 7, 2017 Share #10 Posted October 7, 2017 More evidence of why drinking and piloting don't mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Karen_Cooper_Incident Posted October 7, 2017 Share #11 Posted October 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, dotman17 said: More evidence of why drinking and piloting don't mix. Excellent point. DK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted October 7, 2017 Share #12 Posted October 7, 2017 They should have diverted to another airport that had better weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted October 7, 2017 Share #13 Posted October 7, 2017 That pilot is so awesome. He did it three times just to prove it was not a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 7, 2017 Share #14 Posted October 7, 2017 Did you teach him about changing his pants before seeing the passengers off the plane? Those were a couple of big time foot stomps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted October 7, 2017 4 hours ago, dotman17 said: More evidence of why drinking and piloting don't mix. Sorry, but that is why they DO mix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdc2000 Posted October 8, 2017 Share #16 Posted October 8, 2017 I seem to recall that airport being notorious for nasty gusting crosswinds. I hope everyone had their seatbelts fastened as per instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted October 8, 2017 Share #17 Posted October 8, 2017 37 minutes ago, jdc2000 said: I seem to recall that airport being notorious for nasty gusting crosswinds. I hope everyone had their seatbelts fastened as per instructions. I Bert some people did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_in Ray Of Sunshine Posted October 8, 2017 Share #18 Posted October 8, 2017 Maybe if he’d had a better instructor his landings wouldn’t be so awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 8, 2017 Share #19 Posted October 8, 2017 9 hours ago, Airehead said: I Bert some people did not. Were they getting a jump start on the overhead. And it's Q Bert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share #20 Posted October 8, 2017 16 minutes ago, F_in Ray Of Sunshine said: Maybe if he’d had a better instructor his landings wouldn’t be so awful. That is what I am getting at. In reality though, my landings are always better in crappier conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tybeegb Posted October 8, 2017 Share #21 Posted October 8, 2017 What would have been funny is if the tower had called "Go Around" at 100 feet. Well, maybe not funny for them. Poor nose gear. I'd have that checked out. And it looks like he over-corrected the crab at touchdown and then when the rudder response left it was all up to the nose wheel steering, or the gust died down at that exact moment. When the pilots did these on the C-130 their Before Landing Briefing included a directive to the co-pilot that on touchdown controls would go the co-pilot and the pilot would immediately go to nose wheel steering. All the co-pilot had to concentrate on was keeping the wings level after touchdown. I used to go sit on the bunk in the cockpit to watch the landings, which were normal unless we were doing short-fields, or cross wind landings. It wasn't funny when both pilots were sitting at attention and the wheel was going from one stop to the next and it looked like the pilot was stomping rats with the rudder pedals. The engineer would have a white-knuckled grip on the back of the pilot's seats calling out airspeed and the GCAS would get stuck on "Ten". Pause. "Ten". Pause. "Ten". As I got older I quit doing that. My crew position was in the back anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share #22 Posted October 8, 2017 46 minutes ago, tybeegb said: What would have been funny is if the tower had called "Go Around" at 100 feet. Well, maybe not funny for them. Poor nose gear. I'd have that checked out. And it looks like he over-corrected the crab at touchdown and then when the rudder response left it was all up to the nose wheel steering, or the gust died down at that exact moment. When the pilots did these on the C-130 their Before Landing Briefing included a directive to the co-pilot that on touchdown controls would go the co-pilot and the pilot would immediately go to nose wheel steering. All the co-pilot had to concentrate on was keeping the wings level after touchdown. I used to go sit on the bunk in the cockpit to watch the landings, which were normal unless we were doing short-fields, or cross wind landings. It wasn't funny when both pilots were sitting at attention and the wheel was going from one stop to the next and it looked like the pilot was stomping rats with the rudder pedals. The engineer would have a white-knuckled grip on the back of the pilot's seats calling out airspeed and the GCAS would get stuck on "Ten". Pause. "Ten". Pause. "Ten". As I got older I quit doing that. My crew position was in the back anyway. Yup. I would hope a heavy landing inspection was required there. G-meters will tell the story, especially on those vertical stabs after full rudder deflection. They were a little heavy footed and missed the part where you arrest the descent rate but... that must have been a gust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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