bikeman564™ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #1 Posted October 10, 2017 I just converted. @Digital_photog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #2 Posted October 10, 2017 What kind of rims? What was your method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #3 Posted October 10, 2017 The front wheel looks quite a bit larger in diameter than the rear wheel. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, jsharr said: The front wheel looks quite a bit larger in diameter than the rear wheel. Why? optical illusion, they're the same size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudge ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #5 Posted October 10, 2017 Brave. I'm keeping tubes. Did it go well for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share #6 Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, dennis said: What kind of rims? What was your method? Sun Ringle Multfut 80 rims a/ Schwable Jumbo Jim tires. I used gorilla tape to seal the cutouts in lieu of the Sun Ringle rim tape. Sealant is tire medic by serfas. After sealing the rim, I placed the tube back in, inflated it to seat the bead, then broke the bead on one side, and pulled out the tube. I seen this tip on a youtube video. This way one bead is already seated. I did this at work because I don't have an air compressor at home. First time the bead seated fine. Ever 10 minutes I'd move the tire around to coat the inside. That sealant is very sticky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share #7 Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, smudge said: Brave. I'm keeping tubes. Did it go well for you? we'll see. Pretty much everyone I know w/ a fatso goes tubeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #8 Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, bikeman564™ said: Sun Ringle Multfut 80 rims a/ Schwable Jumbo Jim tires. I used gorilla tape to seal the cutouts in lieu of the Sun Ringle rim tape. Sealant is tire medic by serfas. After sealing the rim, I placed the tube back in, inflated it to seat the bead, then broke the bead on one side, and pulled out the tube. I seen this tip on a youtube video. This way one bead is already seated. I did this at work because I don't have an air compressor at home. First time the bead seated fine. Ever 10 minutes I'd move the tire around to coat the inside. That sealant is very sticky. I have Surly Holy Rolling Darryls. They are not tubleless compatible. Setting them up tubeless seems like a total pain in the ass, so I use Q-tubes superlights. I've had one flat in 7 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted October 10, 2017 Share #9 Posted October 10, 2017 Very cool. How much sealant do those need? I gave up the ghost trying to seat the bead without a compressor. They guys at the shop got a solid "pop" in about 2 seconds using one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted October 10, 2017 Share #10 Posted October 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, bikeman564™ said: I did this at work because I was going to comment that you didn't get much furniture when you separated.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted October 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, ChrisL said: Very cool. How much sealant do those need? I gave up the ghost trying to seat the bead without a compressor. They guys at the shop got a solid "pop" in about 2 seconds using one. Thx. My LBS guy said to use 1½ bottles / tire, the bottles are 4.2 floz. With the sealant, valves stems, and tape the conversion cost me about $55. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #12 Posted October 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, ChrisL said: Very cool. How much sealant do those need? I gave up the ghost trying to seat the bead without a compressor. They guys at the shop got a solid "pop" in about 2 seconds using one. I think I might invest in one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share #13 Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, dennis said: I think I might invest in one of these. Me too, my LBS guy showed me that one. He says it works great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted October 10, 2017 Share #14 Posted October 10, 2017 I might go that route too. $30 a wheel to set up (although i did get a 2 for 1 deal) isnt sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #15 Posted October 10, 2017 I used one a year ago. It's a lot of work to charge it. Then you release the lever and your tire inflates. I struggled a couple of weeks ago with a Small Block 8. I ended up going to the shop and using their compressor. I've always used a floor pump and had it work. I might try it on my fatbike, just not sure if it's worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_photog ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #16 Posted October 10, 2017 55 minutes ago, dennis said: I have Surly Holy Rolling Darryls. They are not tubleless compatible. Setting them up tubeless seems like a total pain in the ass, so I use Q-tubes superlights. I've had one flat in 7 years. Rolling Darryls work fine tubeless. Same method for all the rims with holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #17 Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Digital_photog said: Rolling Darryls work fine tubeless. Same method for all the rims with holes. tape, sealant, inflate? I have Bud and Lou tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_photog ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #18 Posted October 10, 2017 I have used then with Nates and now with Juggernaut pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share #19 Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, dennis said: tape, sealant, inflate? I have Bud and Lou tires. yes. I used the 1.88" wide gorilla tape. Three strips. One on each side of the rim, and one down the center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_photog ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #20 Posted October 10, 2017 I use the compressor and no core in the valve stem. After the bead is seated put in the stans sealant and the core then inflate again and slosh the sealant around to seal it up. Easier to seat them without the valve core in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #21 Posted October 10, 2017 1 layer of tape or more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share #22 Posted October 10, 2017 35 minutes ago, dennis said: 1 layer of tape or more? As I said, I used three because of the gorilla tape width, but if you buy the actual rim tape it would be one layer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #23 Posted October 10, 2017 Got it. Some people recommend two layers, so in your case 6 strips. If I get ambitious this fall, I'll try it. Using tubes hasn't bothered me since I've had almost no flats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted October 10, 2017 Share #24 Posted October 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, bikeman564™ said: As I said, I used three because of the gorilla tape width, but if you buy the actual rim tape it would be one layer. Out of curiosity as I don't have a fat bike, when you apply the tape over the cut outs in the rim isn't the sticky part of the tape exposed over the holes? Wouldnt gunk stick to the tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share #25 Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, ChrisL said: Out of curiosity as I don't have a fat bike, when you apply the tape over the cut outs in the rim isn't the sticky part of the tape exposed over the holes? Wouldnt gunk stick to the tape? No. The orange that you see is orange duct tape w/ the top side of the tape facing thru the cutouts. You can have the sticky side face in and then apply the gorilla tape to seal the rim it. Or do as I did. I doubled the orange tape on itself and just have it wrapped around the inside of the rim held in place by the gorilla tape. I hope this makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted October 10, 2017 Share #26 Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, bikeman564™ said: No. The orange that you see is orange duct tape w/ the top side of the tape facing thru the cutouts. You can have the sticky side face in and then apply the gorilla tape to seal the rim it. Or do as I did. I doubled the orange tape on itself and just have it wrapped around the inside of the rim held in place by the gorilla tape. I hope this makes sense. Yeah totally! Thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudge ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #27 Posted October 10, 2017 Some guys use reflective tape so it looks pretty cool at night with lights hitting it. Me? I'm sticking with tubes. But this always fascinates me. I don't know why; it just does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted October 10, 2017 Share #28 Posted October 10, 2017 I just had both tires set up tubeless on my mtn bike, previously just the front was. Honestly I'm not sure it was worth the hassle. I rarely got flats as I ride mostly soft over hardpack. Very few thorns or sharp rocks to puncture and shred tires.... Being over 200 lbs i dont run super low psi either. Well see how it goes with both tubeless but I don't think I'll notice much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #29 Posted October 10, 2017 I remember when I got my first transistor radio. I was impressed that it was tubeless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted October 10, 2017 Share #30 Posted October 10, 2017 Sounds like too much trouble to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #31 Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, shotgun said: Sounds like too much trouble to me. It's not once you get it set up. I do my own at home with a floor pump. Like changing a tire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted October 10, 2017 Share #32 Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, ChrisL said: I just had both tires set up tubeless on my mtn bike, previously just the front was. Honestly I'm not sure it was worth the hassle. I rarely got flats as I ride mostly soft over hardpack. Very few thorns or sharp rocks to puncture and shred tires.... Being over 200 lbs i dont run super low psi either. Well see how it goes with both tubeless but I don't think I'll notice much difference. The benefits, in my opinion, are the lack of flats and the ability to run a lower psi. Your traction improves dramatically. The bike handles better and you can ride faster with more control. I can go to 27/29 on a 29er. 15 psi on my 27.5+. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudge ★ Posted October 11, 2017 Share #33 Posted October 11, 2017 I go 8 in the summer, 3-4 in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share #34 Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, smudge said: I go 8 in the summer, 3-4 in the winter. The lowest I had mine in winter were 7 psi, measured inside at 70°, probably were 5 psi outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share #35 Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, dennis said: It's not once you get it set up. Agreed. From prep to filling them up was probably 90 minutes of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted October 11, 2017 Share #36 Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, dennis said: The benefits, in my opinion, are the lack of flats and the ability to run a lower psi. Your traction improves dramatically. The bike handles better and you can ride faster with more control. I can go to 27/29 on a 29er. 15 psi on my 27.5+. I've got a 27.5 2.2 tires and go 30 front 35 rear but I think I can go a tad lower, especially in the front. I do run a bit lower with tubeless but only about 5 psi lower. Flats were not an issue before nor after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share #37 Posted October 11, 2017 update: This morning the rear tire felt about the same firmness as it did yesterday, and the front felt a tad softer but not too much. It appears the tubeless conversion worked decently. I inflated both tires to 10 psi before I left for work today to get a measurable leakage amount later Long as I can ride for a few hours I'll be happy. It's weird to spin the tire and hear the sealant sloshing around. One of the youtube videos I watched (might of been Park Tool) mentioned some leakage overtime is normal w/ a tubeless setup. What say you tubeless folks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted October 11, 2017 Share #38 Posted October 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, bikeman564™ said: One of the youtube videos I watched (might of been Park Tool) mentioned some leakage overtime is normal w/ a tubeless setup. What say you tubeless folks? For the few months that I had one tire tubed and one tubeless i noticed the tubeless tire lost air more quickly than the tubed tire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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