Airehead Posted December 9, 2017 Share #1 Posted December 9, 2017 Is praise reinforcing or is it over used and an attempt at manipulation? DISCUS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 9, 2017 Share #2 Posted December 9, 2017 I'm sure you are a much better judge of this than most of us here are. Your success in your career of education, your ability to deal with difficult situations and your obvious intelligence and compassion as seen regularly in your posts on this forum are all evidence of the fact that your judgement in this matter should be vastly supreme to ours. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted December 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Road Runner said: I'm sure you are a much better judge of this than most of us here are. Your success in your career of education, your ability to deal with difficult situations and your obvious intelligence and compassion as seen regularly in your posts on this forum are all evidence of the fact that your judgement in this matter should be vastly supreme to ours. so a manipulation. Sure, I'll send you the gift of the candy toilet. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted December 9, 2017 Share #4 Posted December 9, 2017 both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 9, 2017 Share #5 Posted December 9, 2017 The only praise that ever really meant anything to me was the praise that I gave myself. Other people seldom know the effort and thought that I put into what I do (or what I use to do). I derived my satisfaction from knowing I did a good job, the best I could do, whatever the circumstances were that I had to work with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted December 9, 2017 Share #6 Posted December 9, 2017 I don't know Aire but I hate receiving it more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted December 9, 2017 Share #7 Posted December 9, 2017 Certain people are motivated by it. I’m a big believer in encouraging people. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted December 9, 2017 Share #8 Posted December 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, Wilbur said: I don't know Aire but I hate receiving it more than anything else. You're an honest pig Wilbur. Very few could be held to that standard. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 9, 2017 Share #9 Posted December 9, 2017 1 minute ago, maddmaxx said: You're an honest pig Wilbur. Very few could be held to that standard. Yep. You are a terrific guy and obviously an excellent pilot. Your presence on this forum makes us all proud. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 9, 2017 Share #10 Posted December 9, 2017 36 minutes ago, BuffJim said: I’m a big believer in encouraging people. Discouraging people is vastly underrated. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Grass Posted December 9, 2017 Share #11 Posted December 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Airehead said: Is praise reinforcing or is it over used and an attempt at manipulation? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted December 9, 2017 Share #12 Posted December 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, Road Runner said: Discouraging people is vastly underrated. Done my share of that. Often unintentionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted December 9, 2017 Share #13 Posted December 9, 2017 17 minutes ago, Road Runner said: Yep. You are a terrific guy and obviously an excellent pilot. Your presence on this forum makes us all proud. Screw you @parodybot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 9, 2017 Share #14 Posted December 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, BuffJim said: Done my share of that. Often unintentionally. Sometimes, in some cases, it may be for the best. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. If I suck at something, it's probably a good thing if someone lets me know in time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted December 9, 2017 Share #15 Posted December 9, 2017 Depends. Sometimes I'm tired and frustrated, and some genuine acknowledgement means a lot. But if the praise comes as part of a request, it's just manipulation ("you're so good at xyz, so you should do this annoying task"). People are quick enough to relay complaints and when they're not happy, so it's nice to relay a sincere compliment too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 9, 2017 Share #16 Posted December 9, 2017 Honest feedback is under-appreciated, and many people take fair criticism far too harshly, even when there is a constructive purpose behind it. It is to the point that no one can give anything other than praise or someone gets all butthurt. That said, false praise will eventually be seen through. Reasonable praise at improvement and encouragement still seem the best way to reach people and help with foundational awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted December 9, 2017 Share #17 Posted December 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dickbag said: Honest feedback is under-appreciated, and many people take fair criticism far too harshly, even when there is a constructive purpose behind it. It is to the point that no one can give anything other than praise or someone gets all butthurt. That said, false praise will eventually be seen through. Reasonable praise at improvement and encouragement still seem the best way to reach people and help with foundational awareness. I'd have to disagree. When I was in the service we had a saying "one aw shit cancels all previous atta boys". I've noticed the same tendency in the civilian world. Thus a 0 to 4.0 rating system results in 4.0 being good, 3.8 being average, 3.6 causing people to question how good you are and 3.4 means you are a screw up. Consequently one has to be very careful with "fair" criticism lest one cripple another's career. Of course there are people who don't understand this rule and who use the system the way it was meant to be. The people they review are screwed for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 9, 2017 Share #18 Posted December 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: I'd have to disagree. When I was in the service we had a saying "one aw shit cancels all previous atta boys". I've noticed the same tendency in the civilian world. Thus a 0 to 4.0 rating system results in 4.0 being good, 3.8 being average, 3.6 causing people to question how good you are and 3.4 means you are a screw up. Consequently one has to be very careful with "fair" criticism lest one cripple another's career. Of course there are people who don't understand this rule and who use the system the way it was meant to be. The people they review are screwed for life. WRONG! With positivity and encouragement, praising improvement will motivate people to keep getting better. Telling someone 'awesome job' when it is a crapfest of human error or merely average helps no one. I agree that you have to choose words wisely to get the right effect, but people will sometimes not realize on their own when they aren't doing something as effectively as they could. Also, you forgot to say "WRONG!" in caps when you responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted December 9, 2017 Share #19 Posted December 9, 2017 26 minutes ago, Dickbag said: WRONG! With positivity and encouragement, praising improvement will motivate people to keep getting better. Telling someone 'awesome job' when it is a crapfest of human error or merely average helps no one. I agree that you have to choose words wisely to get the right effect, but people will sometimes not realize on their own when they aren't doing something as effectively as they could. Also, you forgot to say "WRONG!" in caps when you responded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petitepedal ★ Posted December 9, 2017 Share #20 Posted December 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Kirby said: Depends. Sometimes I'm tired and frustrated, and some genuine acknowledgement means a lot. But if the praise comes as part of a request, it's just manipulation ("you're so good at xyz, so you should do this annoying task"). People are quick enough to relay complaints and when they're not happy, so it's nice to relay a sincere compliment too. Kirby for the win!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted December 10, 2017 Share #21 Posted December 10, 2017 9 hours ago, Road Runner said: You are a terrific guy and obviously an excellent pilot. AFAYK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted December 10, 2017 Share #22 Posted December 10, 2017 4 hours ago, petitepedal said: Kirby for the win!! Kirby is always a winner. She even beats Charlie Sheen! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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