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I didn't expect the Flyers to win this series.  Sure they were only 2 points behind the Pens, but it's just a bad matchup.  Flyers have a steep dropoff after their top players,  Pens are deep.  Flyers have a VERY young defensive corp (their top 4 have less than 7 total years experience), experience is a major factor in stopping Crosby, Malkin, Kessel...... 

Pens D is not very solid.  Murray has been beatable.  They are in for a surprise next round, it won't be so easy.

I wasn't too upset about the loss, I expected no more than 6 games.  I didn't like the way it went down.  Couturier having a legendary day, Provorov gallantly playing with one arm.  And back from a defecit to go up 4-2.  Then Gudas with 2 awful turnovers, game is tied, Provorov tried to make a play that needed both arms, down 5-4.  Then the ugliness of 2 brutal non-calls that led directly to goals at the end.  Not saying they in any way cost the Flyers the game, just that they were brutal, and felt like the refs twisting the knife that was already there.  Would have been easier to stomach the furious empty net push simply failing

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The more I look at the “trip” the more I believe it was the right non-call. Letang hits the puck and Couturier goes down. And Couturier launching himself as if shot from a cannon didn’t help, IMO.

and I still can’t understand how a hit on a player who has passed the puck, with the checker’s skates leaving the ice, that leaves the the checked player with a bloody mouth isn’t an infraction.

Flyers were 0-22 on the PP against the Pens at home this season.

personally, I think this game was the wake up call for the Pens. First time the series got dirty, gritty and hard. I think they responded well. They’ll need that attitude going into round 2.

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Washington closes out the series on the road. Unfortunately for the Caps, they have to start round two at home. I’ll take Pens in 7. Picking more from the heart at this point. The clock has to run out at some point.

Toronto forces game 7 with a 3-1 win. I’ll take Tampa Bay over whoever wins. Bruins were my pick to play in ECF to start the playoffs, but the Bolts are now well rested.

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21 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

The more I look at the “trip” the more I believe it was the right non-call. Letang hits the puck and Couturier goes down. And Couturier launching himself as if shot from a cannon didn’t help, IMO.

and I still can’t understand how a hit on a player who has passed the puck, with the checker’s skates leaving the ice, that leaves the the checked player with a bloody mouth isn’t an infraction.

Flyers were 0-22 on the PP against the Pens at home this season.

personally, I think this game was the wake up call for the Pens. First time the series got dirty, gritty and hard. I think they responded well. They’ll need that attitude going into round 2.

The trip on Coots - by rule, was a trip.  Or a slash.  Hit tripped Coots first then hit the puck.  As for flying (seriously, a Pens fan can't complain about diving) off his feet, he was already leaning, and when skating on a torn ACL, you give up your feet when you get a stick in your skates.

G's feet didn't leave the ground until after the hit, and it was a continuation play, you are allowed to follow through after the puck leaves the stick.  Perfectly legal.  Not like the crosscheck he got to the head after the puck left the zone.

Pens did respond to the playoff atmosphere FAR better than the Flyers.  It was a wake up call for the Pens' next series.  It was an initiation for 7 Flyers who played NHL playoffs for the first time.

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Letang must be the strongest man in the league if he can launch Coots three feet into the air with a one handed swipe at the puck, which he did hit before Coots went airborne. We can debate all day if G’s skates left the ice before the hit or as a result  of the contact, but Hagelin didn’t have the puck and left the encounter with a bloody mouth, there’s no way the hit didn’t substantially impact his face/head for that to happen. I know the argument is “finishing his check” but the puck was gone and it was interference.

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8 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

Letang must be the strongest man in the league if he can launch Coots three feet into the air with a one handed swipe at the puck, which he did hit before Coots went airborne. We can debate all day if G’s skates left the ice before the hit or as a result  of the contact, but Hagelin didn’t have the puck and left the encounter with a bloody mouth, there’s no way the hit didn’t substantially impact his face/head for that to happen. I know the argument is “finishing his check” but the puck was gone and it was interference.

I told you why Coots "launched".  It is legal to hit a guy who just passed the puck as a continuation.  Head contact is not illegal unless the head is targeted.  G hit him with a shoulder in the chest.  Bloody mouth - ask Lindblom about how that feels, he took if from a stick no where near a play.  Or Manning from Malkin's spear in the eye.  Or maybe you want Lehtera suspended for injuring Malkin in the process of being slew footed?  There's plenty to choose from.  Give the Pens credit, they took advantage of what the refs didn't call, Flyers didn't.  I blame the refs and league more for thinking rules should stop existing after the regular season.  That was the point of my OP, not what Letang did to Coots, it didn't look intentional, but that this "let them play" idea actually doesn't let them play, it turns it into something other than hockey.

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We could go for hours debating specifics. I’ll stop, and agree with the idea that a consistently called game is the best game to watch.  Congratulations to your team for a very good series. They showed a lot of heart. I hope they meet again in the playoffs again soon, the rivalry is strong. Now if we could keep the beer cans off the ice!

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1 hour ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

We could go for hours debating specifics. I’ll stop, and agree with the idea that a consistently called game is the best game to watch.  Congratulations to your team for a very good series. They showed a lot of heart. I hope they meet again in the playoffs again soon, the rivalry is strong. Now if we could keep the beer cans off the ice!

Yup, I just want to know what's a penalty, and what isn't, and call 'em like they're serious about reducing injuries.

The stuff on the ice was uncalled for.  Except for the hats, that was one of the most amazing sporting efforts you'll see - 3 goals, 2 assists, with a torn MCL.  A warrior!

I didn't think it was going 7 anyway, I was happy with the way the team responded.  The coach, not so much.  

Just a shame it took 6 games to finally turn into Flyers-Pens playoffs!  Those have been some Epic series!

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On 2018-04-20 at 11:04 AM, Square Wheels said:

I'm not much of a history person, even if this is true, the Bruins have proven to be fairly resilient this year to injury.  Almost all of their top people have been out for some period this year.  The Bruins will end it Tomorrow night in Boston.

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Well I am late to this discussion but lemme say Go BOLTS! Whoever wins, Bruins or Leafs, will have one hell of a time matching up to what Tampa has been putting down all season. Even with our little stall near the end of regular season seems to have been ironed out in round 1. With special thanks to Vasy, Kuch, and Mcdonagh. 

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7 minutes ago, Couch_Incident said:

Go Leafs! 

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Game 7 should be a doozy. I still like Boston to win, but now would be the time for Austin Matthews to show the world what he can do. I can’t help but think he’s still injured, though. I saw him in the Pittsburgh airport 6 weeks ago, coming back from what I believe was his orthopedic surgeon’s office. 

 

Geno and Hagelin ruled out for game 1 against the Caps, looks like Sid will have to carry the load to start the series.

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1 minute ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

Didn’t the Bruins spank the TBL 3 out of 4 meetings this season?

Yup, heck the Devils where 3-0 vs the bolts too. Lightning dropped silly games in regular season but when it matters they pull it together. Callahan is back and stronger than ever, Stamkos is finally putting some goals in again, and the youth of the team: Miller, Sergachev, Cirelli are showing up with some serious play 

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6 minutes ago, goldendesign said:

Yup, heck the Devils where 3-0 vs the bolts too. Lightning dropped silly games in regular season but when it matters they pull it together. Callahan is back and stronger than ever, Stamkos is finally putting some goals in again, and the youth of the team: Miller, Sergachev, Cirelli are showing up with some serious play 

Sure, as a Penguins fan I can relate to just getting through the regular season. But I wouldn’t discount the Bruins as being the lesser of the two opponents and the TML as giving the better competition.... I certainly don’t think the players are.

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I do think the Bolts are the team to beat.

 

 Locker day in Philly, end of season press day.  Still haven't gotten word on all of Simmonds issues, but Provorov played game 6 with a grade III AC separation!  Said by the third period he had no feeling in his arm.  Explains that awful turnover that led to a goal.

Another reason this coach is not good.  Sure, he was the best Dman by a long shot - when he had 2 arms.  Bad enough to only dress 6 D, but he could barely push a puck and he was on the #1 PP.

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2 hours ago, 12string said:

Word on Simmonds issues: Torn pelvis in training camp that will need surgery, pulled groin, broken ankle, torn thumb ligaments, dental surgery with multiple extractions.  

He played 81 games, only sitting for the thumb ligaments

Why do you play on a broken ankle that occurs in October? I can understand if it happens in the playoffs, or down the stretch, but when there is time to heal?

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3 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

Really nice goal by Kapanen. Leafs fans will tell you that made the Kessel trade worth it.

And then Krug happened.

I watch very little hockey except for the playoffs and I have no idea who is who for the most part.  I blame this on Jerry Jones.  He sucks so bad that he has worn off on the Cowboys, the Star, the Mavericks, the Rangers, the SMU Mustangs and any other team in Dallas, causing them to suck as well.  

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6 minutes ago, jsharr said:

I watch very little hockey except for the playoffs and I have no idea who is who for the most part.  I blame this on Jerry Jones.  He sucks so bad that he has worn off on the Cowboys, the Star, the Mavericks, the Rangers, the SMU Mustangs and any other team in Dallas, causing them to suck as well.  

He’s a 4th line player who’s been up and down to the AHL the last two years. He was a Penguins draft pick who got traded in the package that brought Kessel to Pittsburgh.

Brutal goal for Anderson to give up.They got him with the first round pick Pittsburgh sent to Toronto for Kessel.

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22 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

Curious to know your definition of an upset is. Anaheim finished ahead of San Jose in the standings, in the same division. That’s the favorite in the playoff round. Now, I picked SJS to win, but as far as I know it’s an upset.

That's what I meant by "mathmatical".  Finishing the season with more points doesn't make you the better team going into the playoffs.

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43 minutes ago, 12string said:

That's what I meant by "mathmatical".  Finishing the season with more points doesn't make you the better team going into the playoffs.

so what determines who the “favorites” are then if not standings? Betting lines?

The visiting San Jose Sharks opened as +118 moneyline underdogs in this one at most online sportsbooks tracked at OddsShark, including BetOnline

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Just so you know ahead of time, I am working from home tomorrow so I WILL NOT SEE any Caps fans tomorrow on my commute. Eventually, I will check my FB and likely see some Caps and Pens fans piping up, but I can't guarantee I will see those posts until some later time.

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Alright enough arm-chair coaching. We should be analysts. Lets do some predictions of round 2.

I call:

Nashville by game 7

Sharks  over Vegas

Lightning **cough** sweep **cough** but in all actuality the full over Bruins

Caps over Penguins

 

Whats your call?

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8 minutes ago, goldendesign said:

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Alright enough arm-chair coaching. We should be analysts. Lets do some predictions of round 2.

I call:

Nashville by game 7

Sharks 5-3 over Vegas

Lightning **cough** sweep **cough** but in all actuality 5-3 over Bruins

Caps 3-1 over Penguins

 

Whats your call?

Everything you stated here is completely wrong. 

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8 minutes ago, goldendesign said:

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Alright enough arm-chair coaching. We should be analysts. Lets do some predictions of round 2.

I call:

Nashville by game 7

Sharks 5-3 over Vegas

Lightning **cough** sweep **cough** but in all actuality 5-3 over Bruins

Caps 3-1 over Penguins

 

Whats your call?

That you are crazy. These are 7 game series.  you have two going 8 games and one being won by three games, and you are really crazy if you thing the Caps will only give up one game to the Penguins or win the series.  You only have one 7 games series.

 

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1 minute ago, jsharr said:

That you are crazy. These are 7 game series.  you have two going 8 games and one being won by three games, and you are really crazy if you thing the Caps will only give up one game to the Penguins or win the series.  You only have one 7 games series.

 

SO my maths are wrong. I've been up since 3am. Apologies for that. 

Crazy on the Penguins, maybe but I see the Caps putting together some solid lines and I think Pittsburgh isn't as prepared for them as Sullivan says they are. Take the numbers out if you must but I think my predictions have my solid go.

Who I'd like to see surprise me is Vegas.  

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4 hours ago, goldendesign said:

SO my maths are wrong. I've been up since 3am. Apologies for that. 

Crazy on the Penguins, maybe but I see the Caps putting together some solid lines and I think Pittsburgh isn't as prepared for them as Sullivan says they are. Take the numbers out if you must but I think my predictions have my solid go.

Who I'd like to see surprise me is Vegas.  

What’s that now? 3 goals in less than 5 minutes drains the energy from the Verizon Center. Without Malkin or Hagelin, Crosby just gets it done. The Crosby-Guentzel-Hornqvist line has 9 goals, 18 points in two games without Malkin.

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18 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

What’s that now? 3 goals in less than 5 minutes drains the energy from the Verizon Center. Without Malkin or Hagelin, Crosby just gets it done. The Crosby-Guentzel-Hornqvist line has 9 goals, 18 points in two games without Malkin.

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I love it when Sid does shit like this.  It has to tweak all the people who hate him. 

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22 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

SJS were seeded lower than the Ducks.

 

7 hours ago, 12string said:

That's what I meant by "mathmatical".  Finishing the season with more points doesn't make you the better team going into the playoffs.

That was completely my bad.  I thought that the SJS were top seeded in that series.

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Penguins surprised the hell out of me with that rally in the third. I'm still thinking the Caps will pull out in the end but they can't be rolled that hard and think to maintain on ice.

Knights were on point last night! 7-0 over sharks?!? I was expecting the sharks to show them what a seasoned roster can put together but the woefully underestimated the Knights. They really need to review Fleury in net. Three shutouts already in the playoffs? That guys a brick wall.

I will be downtown tomorrow for the watch party, couldn't swing tickets, and all the fun that follows watching my Bolts hammer Bruins.

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