For the manual people

[Ralphie ★]

17 minutes ago, Further said:

And 5 to 6 goes straight through 12 ?

That looks like something off a machine tool rather than a vehicle

So what's it from  Rattlecan ?

The Onion?

[Rattlecan ★]

1 hour ago, Further said:

So what's it from  Rattlecan ?

From someone with a twisted sense of humor.

[BR46]

1 hour ago, Rattlecan said:

From someone with a twisted sense of humor.

 

 

[Tizeye]

18 hours ago, groupw said:

I didn’t get the opportunity to drive a manual when I was in the Caymans, but for the most part, I adapted well. I had a harder time remembering the turn signal and wiper switch were opposite! I wiped the windshield multiple times when I meant to signal a turn! 

I drove a stick in the Canary Islands. It comes back quickly. Only stalled one time.

Two years ago in England had reserved an Escort with a stick, But from the North terminal at Gatwick the empty Hertz desk directed me across the street. Apparent all rental cars are out of the South terminal and what they directed me to was a hotel with a Hertz office and limited supply. They obviously didn't have my reserved Escort, but I was going to add the separate GPS. Rather than sensing me to the South terminal, (and to show the business on their office) they upgraded me for just the additional price of the GPS to a Mercedes E Class which came with GPS...and an automatic. In retrospect, controls were so difficult I wish they had upgraded me to the BMW as they and my Mini Countryman share the same systems. Also, the surprise when shopping various companies to reserve a car, none rent Mini's. 

[Rattlecan ★]

47 minutes ago, BR46 said:

 

 

I've seen that before. Near as I can figure, and I'm quite certain about this, it's a 13 speed Fuller Roadranger with the range and splitter functions controlled by stick rather than the air switches. The lever on the right shifts it into high range before he begins the repeat pattern, and I can clearly hear the air valve as it smucks into high range. Clearly someone who felt his life wasn't complicated enough. 

[Tizeye]

On ‎10‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 8:35 AM, TrentonMakes said:

I just saw someone in a (British) TV show shift left-handed, and it occurred to me I think it would take me a long time to learn how to do that well.

I still love shifting, most of the time.  My daughter is in driver ed now and she said she wants to learn to drive my car.    However, this is probably because she wants me to buy a new car and give this one to her.  I guess once she starts driving, a 6- or 7-year old Accord would make a good first car....

While could always shift right handed, learned left handed when stationed in Great Britain. Not hard at all. The hard part is turning the wipers on when you meant to turn on the blinkers. You see cars going around the round about on a sunny day with their wipers on, and think...Americans! ?

Daughter learned to drive a stick as her first car that got her through high school was a 72 VW Beetle. As she left for college, I wouldn't trust the Beetle outside the city limits...much less a 250 mile trip to college. Ended up getting her a new Honda Civic EX. During hard negotiation, they salesman tried to meet price with "Special Edition". Daughter took one look at it and goes..."Automatic....Automatic! You think because I am a girl I want an automatic" I'm just sitting back with a smile on my face encouraging her. We bought the EX with a stick which lasted her all the way through her PhD and I got a phenomenal price for it as she left for Europe where she hasn't owned a car for 6 years. Throughout college, she was one of the few students that could drive the Biology Dept field research trucks and vans. 

[Razors Edge ★]

22 hours ago, Rattlecan said:

Your job is to figure out how to get 16 forward ratio combinations out of it.

Did we get an answer to this? I get 13 combos, so how do you get three more?

Tom

[Rattlecan ★]

3 hours ago, Razors Edge said:

Did we get an answer to this? I get 13 combos, so how do you get three more?

Tom

5 x 4 combos are not all the same. There are redundancies in every case however. The main transmission has wide step ratios, the auxiliary splits it with close steps. 1st gear in the auxiliary is not used when splitting, as it would be redundant. It is useful as a low starting gear, or for an extra available gear for a downshift on a grade without doing a split shift.

 A typical progression would be 1 & 1 1st

                                                     1 & 2 2nd

                                                     1 & 3 3rd

                                                     1 &  4 4th

                                                      2 & 2 5th

                                                     2 & 3 6th

                                                     2 & 4 7th

                                                     3 & 2 8th

                                                     3 & 3 9th

                                                     3 & 4 10th

And so on til 5 x 4 = 16th.  Some combos have a close ratio 5th gear in the main that is not split, yielding a total of 14. Been over four decades since I had my hands on one of those, but it's not something you forget.

Here's an old cowboy showin ya how it's done.

 

[Razors Edge ★]

21 hours ago, Rattlecan said:

5 x 4 combos are not all the same. There are redundancies in every case however. The main transmission has wide step ratios, the auxiliary splits it with close steps. 1st gear in the auxiliary is not used when splitting, as it would be redundant. It is useful as a low starting gear, or for an extra available gear for a downshift on a grade without doing a split shift.

 A typical progression would be 1 & 1 1st

                                                     1 & 2 2nd

                                                     1 & 3 3rd

                                                     1 &  4 4th

                                                      2 & 2 5th

                                                     2 & 3 6th

                                                     2 & 4 7th

                                                     3 & 2 8th

                                                     3 & 3 9th

                                                     3 & 4 10th

And so on til 5 x 4 = 16th.  Some combos have a close ratio 5th gear in the main that is not split, yielding a total of 14. Been over four decades since I had my hands on one of those, but it's not something you forget.

Here's an old cowboy showin ya how it's done.

 

I watched the video (cool, thanks), so I get now how the shifting works.  Very interesting to watch.  I'm still not sure about the shifting combos, but regardless, it is a bunch!

Tom

[Rattlecan ★]

10 hours ago, Razors Edge said:

I watched the video (cool, thanks), so I get now how the shifting works.  Very interesting to watch.  I'm still not sure about the shifting combos, but regardless, it is a bunch!

Tom

One of the hazards of running these setups was forgetting what combo you were in when running back a few gears through a speed zone. You get to a point where picking a gear for current speed and conditions becomes automatic, and if you suddenly have to think about where you are starting from, you're lost.

 Also worth noting that heavy duty transmissions do not have syncromesh, so matching rpms to gear speed is part of the craft.

[TrentonMakes]

I remember I'd learned a bit of how to drive a stick on my dad's Ranger pickup.  But I still wasn't great at it.  However, I still ended up shopping for a car that had a 4-speed, my little Mercury Lynx (Escort clone).

These cars had a pollution control "exhaust gas recirculation" system and as I understand it this EGR valve was well-known for failing, causing stalling upon deceleration.

The easy band-aid fix (as employed by the previous owner, or maybe the dealer) was to bump up the idle.  We later found that this Lynx was idling at around 2000 rpm.  Not good for gas mileage, but pretty great for a novice stickshift driver.  I drove it off the lot like a pro. 

At some point my dad helped me adjust the idle to normal levels, and that's when I found out about the stalling.  I was driving a street in Troy NY with a red light or stop sign on every block.  I almost went mad!  We never did fix that valve, just bumped the idle back up.

[Ralphie ★]

I really appreciate a normal 5 speed now!  My colt had a 4 speed with a high and low range and it was a pita. 

[JerrySTL ★]

2 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said:

I really appreciate a normal 5 speed now!  My colt had a 4 speed with a high and low range and it was a pita. 

A buddy of mine had one of those Colts.

[Parr8hed]

On 10/12/2018 at 8:28 AM, JerrySTL said:

I can shift left- and right-handed. Thankfully the pedals stay in the same order.

The clinic in Okinawa had a 5 speed diesel 4x4 van as an ambulance.  It was right hand drive so you had to learn to shift it with your left hand.  That wasn't too bad.  The clinic supply van was a 3 on the tree with right hand drive.  That one was a little more of a challenge.  

[pedalphile]

25 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said:

I really appreciate a normal 5 speed now!  My colt had a 4 speed with a high and low range and it was a pita. 

My last Merc camper van, a 508, was 5 speed, but you set off in 2nd and treated it as a 4 speed for all intents and purposes, 1st was for hill starts only, or for all the way up the steeper passes in the Lake District, for example, or Scottish Highlands, where I took it up 1 in 3s and 4s.