TrentonMakes Posted October 12, 2018 Share #1 Posted October 12, 2018 ...besides me? The news felt like a punch in the gut. Milk, cheese, ice cream, are all well represented in my regular diet. Wheat may be on the chopping block too, but she's waiting for the results of some blood tests on that one. No wonder people don't like going to doctors. All they do is tell you things you hoped you would never hear. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted October 12, 2018 Share #2 Posted October 12, 2018 I've cut way back. Try raw milk and see it your body doesn't tolerate it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentonMakes Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share #3 Posted October 12, 2018 Nope - doctor's orders are to eliminate all dairy, entirely. I've been diagnosed with an esophageal inflammation... the allergist did the "prick test" [reported] for 30-some allergens represented in my diet, and it didn't really identify a dairy sensitivity, but I'm told it's by far the most common culprit for what I have, so that's what she ordered. At least until my next endoscopy - probably 3-6 months. Christmas without dairy = does not compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #4 Posted October 12, 2018 38 minutes ago, TrentonMakes said: OK, so who here is off dairy?...besides me? I've been off it since 2nd breakfast (~10:30am) when I had honey-butter toast. That might be it until coffee tomorrow morning. So, I'm with you, man! Tom 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #5 Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, Razors Edge said: I've been off it since 2nd breakfast (~10:30am) when I had honey-butter toast. That might be it until coffee tomorrow morning. So, I'm with you, man! Tom Actually, I lied. I had milk chocolate stuff around ~11:30. So, I'm still with you, just not for as long as I initially thought. Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #6 Posted October 12, 2018 Two words: Second opinion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #7 Posted October 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, TrentonMakes said: Nope - doctor's orders are to eliminate all dairy, entirely. I've been diagnosed with an esophageal inflammation... the allergist did the "prick test" [reported] for 30-some allergens represented in my diet, and it didn't really identify a dairy sensitivity, but I'm told it's by far the most common culprit for what I have, so that's what she ordered. At least until my next endoscopy - probably 3-6 months. Christmas without dairy = does not compute. I've become an expert on esophageal inflammation over the past five minutes. I would like to suggest you have been misled in your options! Eosinophilic (ee-uh-sin-uh-fil-ik) esophagitis (EoE) seems to be the allergy related esophagitis, but I'm not convinced you have the allergy related one. How did the doctor rule out the other types - especially the reflux (GERD) one? Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentonMakes Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share #8 Posted October 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: I've become an expert on esophageal inflammation over the past five minutes. I would like to suggest you have been misled in your options! Eosinophilic (ee-uh-sin-uh-fil-ik) esophagitis (EoE) seems to be the allergy related esophagitis, but I'm not convinced you have the allergy related one. How did the doctor rule out the other types - especially the reflux (GERD) one? EoE is indeed what I've got, confirmed by two endoscopies. I don't suffer from reflux symptoms/heartburn in general. I have been taking Prilosec for three months since the first endoscopy, but the second confirms that treatment didn't do a damn thing. I think if that treatment had been effective it would have suggested the reflux type. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #9 Posted October 12, 2018 Somebody stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #10 Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, TrentonMakes said: ...besides me? The news felt like a punch in the gut. Milk, cheese, ice cream, are all well represented in my regular diet. Wheat may be on the chopping block too, but she's waiting for the results of some blood tests on that one. No wonder people don't like going to doctors. All they do is tell you things you hoped you would never hear. Are there substitutes that you are allowed to have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #11 Posted October 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Are there substitutes that you are allowed to have? Perfect time for him to join SW as a VEGAN!!! I'm sure SW will fill him in on how awesome veganism is. Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petitepedal ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #12 Posted October 12, 2018 I have friends who are..cashew butter might be a substitute..there is soy cheese (no comment)...I made a recipe for stuffed pasta shells once using a cashew filling that gave it a creamy texture... I just told my new doc I am a cheeseaholic....good luck with your new challenge, mine will be taking a pill 7 days a week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #13 Posted October 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, petitepedal said: I have friends who are..cashew butter might be a substitute..there is soy cheese (no comment)...I made a recipe for stuffed pasta shells once using a cashew filling that gave it a creamy texture... I just told my new doc I am a cheeseaholic....good luck with your new challenge, mine will be taking a pill 7 days a week. Like all the rest of us old people you get and use a daily pill reminder box. After a while it becomes habit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted October 12, 2018 Share #14 Posted October 12, 2018 Lactose intolerant so I've been off dairy all my life. Fine by me as I'm not a big fan of milk & yogurt but I can do most cheeses in moderation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentonMakes Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share #15 Posted October 12, 2018 I got some suggestions, something called "Ripple" milk made from peas, soy yogurt, almond cheese ("you can't even tell, if you melt it on a sandwich"). When our daughter was an infant she had a dairy sensitivity, so my wife had to cut out dairy. We've done it before, and we actually still have a few leftovers from that time (like the "Earth Balance" vegan butter substitute - we've kept some of that around ever since). Lots of cooking with olive oil, and pancakes just made with water instead of milk. So I suppose it will be socially acceptable for me to say something like "yeah, gonna stop and pick up a couple gallons of Ripple tonight." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Longjohn ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Popular Post Share #16 Posted October 12, 2018 My neighbor has been off dairy for about ten years. He sold all his dairy cows and bought beef cows. He said dairy cows are too much work, you have to milk them twice a day seven days a week. With beef cows if you want to sneak out for a day or two just put them out to pasture and give them a couple round bales to chew on. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedalphile Posted October 12, 2018 Share #17 Posted October 12, 2018 We should ALL be off dairy, and meat, too, don’t you even pay attention to the news? We have 12 years to save the planet, turn around climate change and global warming. ‘Tis only a pity everyone isn’t given a health warning to do the right thing, or suffer the consequences, since no one takes the issue seriously without a personal incentive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedalphile Posted October 12, 2018 Share #18 Posted October 12, 2018 2 hours ago, late said: I've cut way back. Try raw milk and see it your body doesn't tolerate it better. Word: kefir. If you insist on drinking the stuff, that makes it tolerable to lactose intolerant people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentonMakes Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share #19 Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, pedalphile said: We should ALL be off dairy, and meat, too, don’t you even pay attention to the news? It's likely I will end up increasing my meat consumption to make up for the lost protein. I already eat plenty of beans and nuts. Kind of weird that a doctor is telling me I can't have any more 1% milk but a burger is OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #20 Posted October 12, 2018 I have been off it for months now. I ate a cheese sandwich the other day and literally got the shits. You can have it. I am done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedalphile Posted October 12, 2018 Share #21 Posted October 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, TrentonMakes said: It's likely I will end up increasing my meat consumption to make up for the lost protein. I already eat plenty of beans and nuts. Kind of weird that a doctor is telling me I can't have any more 1% milk but a burger is OK. You and your doc are not penetrating the outer teachings, friend. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted October 12, 2018 Share #22 Posted October 12, 2018 My daughter has so many food allergies I can't remember them all. She has EE, has had several biopsies too. You can get a biopsy to confirm. Getting off of dairy is pretty easy these days. There are so many substitutes that taste good. The hard part is there is milk in many things. I imagine being vegan 20 years ago was a challenge, it's not so much these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #23 Posted October 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: She has EE, What is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #24 Posted October 12, 2018 3 hours ago, JerrySTL said: Two words: Second opinion. Your ugly too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted October 12, 2018 Share #25 Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, Longjohn said: What is that? electro-encephalitus? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted October 12, 2018 Share #26 Posted October 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Longjohn said: What is that? eosinophilic esophagitis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted October 12, 2018 Share #27 Posted October 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Razors Edge said: ...been off it since 2nd breakfast (~10:30am) when I had honey-butter toast. ...thank you Frodo Baggins. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted October 13, 2018 Share #28 Posted October 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Dottles said: I have been off it for months now. I ate a cheese sandwich the other day and literally got the shits. You can have it. I am done with it. Nobody wants to chirp in on this 'inflammatory' post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted October 13, 2018 Share #29 Posted October 13, 2018 I drink approx. 1 small cup of skim milk per day...it's not consistent and some it is in my tea or in my cornflakes. Sometimes have a cup of warm milk before I go to bed. It's to help me sleep abit easier at times. My body does want plain lowfat yogurt ..approx. 3-5 large tablespoons. My gut likes fermentation and fresh fruit for processing. For myself personally, it's probably beneficial to have some low fat dairy. Of course, I do munch on a small slice of cheese several times / wk.. As said before I don't buy butter for home except for the cake we just baked or dearie wants to make crepes. My dairy intake has fluctuated in life after I moved away from home. There was a time I was lactose intolerant..but eased myself back into skim milk in small amounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted December 20, 2023 Share #30 Posted December 20, 2023 Not me! But, like before, haven't had it in a little while. Not in my coffee, and not in my dinner last night. Can't remember when I made my hot chocolate last - maybe Monday? But I guess I did have some milk chocolate yesterday in the M&Ms in my trail mix. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted December 20, 2023 Share #31 Posted December 20, 2023 Nice dredge work, Calvin Bucky. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted December 20, 2023 Share #32 Posted December 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ralphie said: Nice dredge work, Calvin Bucky. Still relevant! Folks here love screwing with their diets! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Far ★ Posted December 20, 2023 Share #33 Posted December 20, 2023 I'm OK with dairy, still limit my gluten (I'm OK with pasta, but a donut burns before it hits bottom.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted December 20, 2023 Share #34 Posted December 20, 2023 I eat a fair amount of cheese. Mainly feta. I drink a bit of milk. I use cheese and sour cream on Mexican food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted December 20, 2023 Share #35 Posted December 20, 2023 My response now is still as the same as my 2018 response. Amazing...though how consistent my stomach is for dairy. But not much butter sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Square Wheels Posted December 20, 2023 Popular Post Share #36 Posted December 20, 2023 All these years, and I'm still vegan. I can still ride a bike without falling over dead. I can still run. I have not gained or lost weight. I am still morally superior to all of you. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 20, 2023 Share #37 Posted December 20, 2023 Who the hell would advise a fool thing like giving up dairy? Hippie doctors are still hippies, I hope you have reseen the light and are having regular pizza these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted December 20, 2023 Share #38 Posted December 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Who the hell would advise a fool thing like giving up dairy? Hippie doctors are still hippies, I hope you have reseen the light and are having regular pizza these days. I don't know - I think I would back SW in a bike or foot race with you these days. Vegan smackdown of an omnivore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted December 20, 2023 Share #39 Posted December 20, 2023 On 10/12/2018 at 6:50 PM, Longjohn said: What is that? Electrical Engineer. Like Thermopile Kadiddlehopper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 20, 2023 Share #40 Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Razors Edge said: I don't know - I think I would back SW in a bike or foot race with you these days. Vegan smackdown of an omnivore! Vegans are weak, like little girls, and brittle, like old ladies. You look at them hard and their pelvises break. Still, I was referring more to Trenton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted December 20, 2023 Share #41 Posted December 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Vegans are weak, like little girls, and brittle, like old ladies. You look at them hard and their pelvises break. Still, I was referring more to Trenton. So, scared to race SW???? You should be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentonMakes Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share #42 Posted December 20, 2023 23 minutes ago, Randomguy said: regular pizza Without question, the single thing I miss the most. well, that and not having to interrogate the server about the menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted December 20, 2023 Share #43 Posted December 20, 2023 Just now, TrentonMakes said: well, that and not having to interrogate the server about the menu. ...and then doubting the truthfulness of their answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 20, 2023 Share #44 Posted December 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: So, scared to race SW???? You should be! He would crush me in any kind of race these days, he is far fitter than my baseline sloth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted December 20, 2023 Share #45 Posted December 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Vegans are weak, like little girls, and brittle, like old ladies. You look at them hard and their pelvises break. That's me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted December 20, 2023 Share #46 Posted December 20, 2023 Just now, Square Wheels said: That's me And yet...you'd still smoke RG in a running or bike race! How do you do it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 20, 2023 Share #47 Posted December 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, TrentonMakes said: Without question, the single thing I miss the most. well, that and not having to interrogate the server about the menu. Ok, but why? Has giving up dairy done anything beneficial? I ask because it was all the rage a dozen or more years ago to claim that "dairy is bad", yet there was never any proof or even a whiff of proof. I am not claiming it is 'good', but I notice no difference in anything when I have dairy or don't have dairy. I sure hope to hell you got a second opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted December 20, 2023 Share #48 Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Randomguy said: He would crush me in any kind of race these days, he is far fitter than my baseline sloth. Have you thought about mixing up your diet a bit? Dropping stuff like meat, dairy, gluten, and salt will likely solve most of your problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 20, 2023 Share #49 Posted December 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: That's me I am actually surprised that you are still alive, and seem to be maintaining a sort of health still. You are definitely one of the few that I have seen, most revert fairly quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 20, 2023 Share #50 Posted December 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Have you thought about mixing up your diet a bit? Dropping stuff like meat, dairy, gluten, and salt will likely solve most of your problems. I like when all of those things are represented in a single meal. I definitely have too much salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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