Randomguy Posted November 17, 2018 Share #1 Posted November 17, 2018 I get the local story of pilgrims and such, but would would some yahoo in TX or Washington care about some local folklore crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted November 17, 2018 Share #2 Posted November 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I get the local story of pilgrims and such, but would would some yahoo in TX or Washington care about some local folklore crap? Because drinking Ralph's beer doesn't happen every day. We get one shot to sit on his front yard, drink his beer, and enjoy a fire burning his trees. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted November 17, 2018 Share #3 Posted November 17, 2018 The thing about the pilgrims is just an aid to the holiday. Just as those pilgrims had had an awful winter the year before, Thanksgiving has come to symbolize a positive attitude despite the problems that we managed to survive or that always seem just around the corner. It was established permanently as a federal holiday in 1863, during the Civil War, where more Americans died than in ALL our other wars combined even though the population was only around 30,000,000. It was a day to think of good things that still occurred at a time where the entire adult male population of many small towns was wiped out. There have been times when Thanksgiving has been important ever since: wars, Spanish Flu Epidemics, Depressions, etc. to give us something positive to hold onto. For, me with the young people in our family getting jobs, going away to college, etc., it's a great time to catch up! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted November 17, 2018 Share #4 Posted November 17, 2018 because I'm off 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petitepedal ★ Posted November 17, 2018 Share #5 Posted November 17, 2018 As in my youth..we waited in front of the black and white TV for Detroits JL Hudson parade..so we could "wave" to my aunt..I will watch the Macy's parade..so I can "wave" to RO...that will be my Thanksgiving highlight. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kirby Posted November 17, 2018 Popular Post Share #6 Posted November 17, 2018 Life's hard enough. I'm in favor of celebrations, especially if they come with a yummy dinner. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted November 17, 2018 Share #7 Posted November 17, 2018 I remember as a kid, the looong Thanksgiving vacation provided the specter of all this unbroken time to get shit done, term papers written, and still have time to relax, to do it all in a few short days. The days and vacation turned oot to be all too short to do all that stuffs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share #8 Posted November 17, 2018 13 hours ago, Kirby said: Life's hard enough. I'm in favor of celebrations, especially if they come with a yummy dinner. See, this. Most people just go along for the benefit of the day off or a feast of some sort. Some politician or other saw some political and religious capital in changing the story of how we ass-raped the local primitives into a holiday for all. I am no different, I just thought about the fact that Canada has some sort of copycat holiday but at a different time of the year, and maybe with different details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petitepedal ★ Posted November 17, 2018 Share #9 Posted November 17, 2018 I don't know...maybe because the biggest Thanksgiving I id was for 6...but there is nothing big deal about this meal....up a bigger bird that takes a bit longer to cook...probably a couple of extra sides...and a zert This is actually the first year I have said go ahead bring dish... but I will still do Turkey, Stuffing, Gravy, Mashed Tatoes and I am thinking some broccoli..in addition to...oops Salad, Sweet Potatoes, a cauliflower stuffing, and the traditional green bean casserole...Hmmm...maybe I will save the broccoli for the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted November 17, 2018 Share #10 Posted November 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, Randomguy said: See, this. Most people just go along for the benefit of the day off or a feast of some sort. Some politician or other saw some political capital in changing the story of how we ass-raped the local primitives into a holiday for all. I am no different, I just thought about the fact that Canada has some sort of copycat holiday but at a different time of the year, and maybe with different details. Most cultures have a harvest feast. For me it’s a time to pause and thank God for my many blessings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted November 17, 2018 Share #11 Posted November 17, 2018 1 minute ago, petitepedal said: I don't know...maybe because the biggest Thanksgiving I id was for 6...but there is nothing big deal about this meal....up a bigger bird that takes a bit longer to cook...probably a couple of extra sides...and a zert This is actually the first year I have said go ahead bring dish... but I will still do Turkey, Stuffing, Gravy, Mashed Tatoes and I am thinking some broccoli..in addition to...oops Salad, Sweet Potatoes, a cauliflower stuffing, and the traditional green bean casserole...Hmmm...maybe I will save the broccoli for the weekend Broccoli is a good way to ruin Thanksgiving. Brussels Sprouts are a food to be thankful for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted November 17, 2018 Share #12 Posted November 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, BuffJim said: Broccoli is a good way to ruin Thanksgiving. Brussels Sprouts are a food to be thankful for. Brussels sprouts are good for only one thing.......... compost. AND... this little balls of yuck ? are not sprouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petitepedal ★ Posted November 17, 2018 Share #13 Posted November 17, 2018 Well...the one guest isn't into Brussels sprouts...me..I love em...Oh hey Rainbow Fall Slaw with Tahini &Poppyseed Dressing 2 Cups grated Brussels Sprouts 2 Cups grated Carrots 1 medium peeled and grated beet 1 Cup sliced radishes ½ of a large red onion sliced ½ medium head of cauliflower broken up 1 large apple sliced 1tsp salt Mix the above ingredients Toast ½ cup of pistachios (3 to 5 min) Dressing: 6 Tbsp Apple Cider Vinegar 1/3 cup Tahini ¼ Cup Maple Syrup ½ tsp cayenne pepper 3 medium cloves of garlic Mix the above ingredients Add 1/3 cup Extra Virgin olive oil 1 to 4 tablespoons of water for consistency 2 tablespoons poppy seed Dress with dressing and top with toasted pistachios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Randomguy Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share #15 Posted November 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, BuffJim said: Most cultures have a harvest feast. For me it’s a time to pause and thank God for my many blessings. See? This is it, and is one reason that it was co-opted by the religious and politicians, at least that was the way it was presented to me growing up that I object to. Thanksgiving always bothered me because it wasn't a fun holiday, it was more somber and god-thanky. In my mind, if you are all into religion, you should feel grateful whenever you feel it and not need a day to attempt to compel those sentiments in others. I know you don't need a particular day like that because of your beliefs, but it seems the equivalent of the muslim prayer call, which also seems coercive. I would be much happier if they just called it a harvest festival, and not try to spin it, we know the natives absolutely hated the pilgrims. Pilgrims were hyper-repressive ass-faces and treated the savages horribly after a short while, I don't think there is any historical debate on that at all. Btw, I hear the muslim prayer call around here, and it doesn't annoy me (although conceptually it does when I think about it). It is a sound like church bells somewhat, just an environmental sound track in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted November 17, 2018 Share #16 Posted November 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Randomguy said: See? This is it, and is one reason that it was co-opted by the religious and politicians, at least that was the way it was presented to me growing up that I object to. Thanksgiving always bothered me because it wasn't a fun holiday, it was more somber and god-thanky. In my mind, if you are all into religion, you should feel grateful whenever you feel it and not need a day to attempt to compel those sentiments in others. I know you don't need a particular day like that because of your beliefs, but it seems the equivalent of the muslim prayer call, which also seems coercive. I would be much happier if they just called it a harvest festival, and not try to spin it, we know the natives absolutely hated the pilgrims. Pilgrims were hyper-repressive ass-faces and treated the savages horribly after a short while, I don't think there is any historical debate on that at all. Btw, I hear the muslim prayer call around here, and it doesn't annoy me (although conceptually it does when I think about it). It is a sound like church bells somewhat, just an environmental sound track in a way. But (nearly) all those cultural harvest festivals throughout history were religious festivals. We haven’t attached religion to a secular holiday. In many cases our culture has removed the religious aspect from the holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted November 17, 2018 Share #17 Posted November 17, 2018 Just now, BuffJim said: But (nearly) all those cultural harvest festivals throughout history were religious festivals. We haven’t attached religion to a secular holiday. In many cases our culture has removed the religious aspect from the holiday. Bam! Drop the mic ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share #18 Posted November 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, BuffJim said: But (nearly) all those cultural harvest festivals throughout history were religious festivals. We haven’t attached religion to a secular holiday. In many cases our culture has removed the religious aspect from the holiday. You are right, although the origins of almost all holidays are pagan, they just get taken over by the power structure once they feel there is benefit they can co-opt. Cultural removal is fought kicking and screaming by the religious groups anyway, but religion at this point is becoming a demand-based thing, and the power is waning considerably except for the pandering by politicians. The power to coerce is dying, so big religion is going to have to adapt a softer, less damning and more appealing approach if it wants to survive the next 100 years or so. I am sensitive to the brainwashing attempts that were shoved at me as a youth, I don't like society trying to force a viewpoint. Thanksgiving still seems awash in religiousity in many parts of the country still. The culture on the coasts have been correcting that, and it will happen in the other parts, although slowly. I just want to watch football and eat without messages of any sort that are trying to tell me what I should be thinking or doing is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted November 17, 2018 Share #19 Posted November 17, 2018 15 hours ago, Randomguy said: Why do we care about Thanksgiving? I get the local story of pilgrims and such, but would would some yahoo in TX or Washington care about some local folklore crap? ...you, of all people, ought to appreciate a holiday where we care about turkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share #20 Posted November 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, No One said: ...you, of all people, ought to appreciate a holiday where we care about turkeys. Turkeys are fine animals, I think it was Ben Franklin that wanted them as our national bird. Just having a national bird is a pretty stupid thing, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted November 17, 2018 Share #21 Posted November 17, 2018 It's just a day off for me, for that I am thankful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted November 17, 2018 Share #22 Posted November 17, 2018 50 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Turkeys are fine animals, I think it was Ben Franklin that wanted them as our national bird. Just having a national bird is a pretty stupid thing, actually. ...it's less stupid if they taste good. There is a wild turkey gang the size of the Jets in my neighborhood that hangs out and blocks the street from time to time. I would kill and eat them, but they're pretty smart about traps, and my neighborhood is not zoned for hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted November 17, 2018 Share #23 Posted November 17, 2018 The only religion in Thanksgiving is the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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