Airehead Posted December 22, 2018 Share #1 Posted December 22, 2018 Due to the government closing, my middle daughter has to work Christmas Day. She was previously approved for vacation 12/24 through 1/3. We had plans and were quite happy about our upcoming full family gathering. Now the government is closed, so she has to work becuase she is in HR with FEMA but she doesn't get paid. It sucks. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 22, 2018 Share #2 Posted December 22, 2018 Wait, she has to work but doesn't get paid? Sounds like this administration's dream goal for non-billionaires. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share #3 Posted December 22, 2018 It is a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted December 22, 2018 Share #4 Posted December 22, 2018 It is personal and not political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share #5 Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, maddmaxx said: It is personal and not political. Yep and in her case personnel too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted December 22, 2018 Share #6 Posted December 22, 2018 I was in the US Air Force for over 24 years and have been a government contractor for almost 20 years. These shutdowns have caused me some grief over the years. This round I'll get paid; however, I won't be able to get into the building where I work. Therefore I'll be working from home which I normally do once a week anyway. On the flip side we have many workers on the contract who can't VPN in. If they can't get into the building to work, they get paid anyway as our contract says that it's up to the government to provide us with a place to work. Thanks taxpayers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted December 22, 2018 Share #7 Posted December 22, 2018 My wife works her usual schedule during government shutdowns and gets paid. Her work is considered essential. She has Christmas Day off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted December 22, 2018 Share #8 Posted December 22, 2018 Yep, they are a bit disruptive when one has experiments going that need daily care, and you are not considered essential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted December 22, 2018 Share #9 Posted December 22, 2018 The government temporary shutdowns seem costly....there is a cost to reboot back to normal because of the administrative stuff, cost to make a shutdown happen and to restart. Using govn't employees as political pawns is not a way to ask govn't to be efficient. A business plan is required of govn't leadership and cut certain things permanently, etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted December 22, 2018 Share #10 Posted December 22, 2018 My friend works for the feds. He has scheduled vacation from yesterday through some time into January. He put in his vacation days, but with the shutdown, all holidays and vacation are "cancelled", so, he is furloughed without pay during his two weeks of vacation/holidays (24th, 25th, and 1st). Then, when Congress reopens gov't and pays folks retroactively - for not working or working without pay - he will essentially get his vacation days back, receive regular & holiday pay for the time of the shutdown, and then can re-use his vacation days (of which he already struggles to use each year) for another two week vacation. Yay for us! I always enjoy helping him get some extra benefits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted December 22, 2018 Share #11 Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Razors Edge said: My friend works for the feds. He has scheduled vacation from yesterday through some time into January. He put in his vacation days, but with the shutdown, all holidays and vacation are "cancelled", so, he is furloughed without pay during his two weeks of vacation/holidays (24th, 25th, and 1st). Then, when Congress reopens gov't and pays folks retroactively - for not working or working without pay - he will essentially get his vacation days back, receive regular & holiday pay for the time of the shutdown, and then can re-use his vacation days (of which he already struggles to use each year) for another two week vacation. Yay for us! I always enjoy helping him get some extra benefits Any guarantee they will get back pay this time? Not trying to make this political, but just wondering in the current atmosphere. Need less to say I am glad to be away from all of these games. I never took vacation at this time of the year. Always enjoyed the peaceful atmosphere at the lab during the Holidays, and was able to get a lot of work accomplished. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted December 22, 2018 Share #12 Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, sheep_herder said: Any guarantee they will get back pay this time? I think there are ALREADY bills ready to roll out once it is over. And I think they are veto/pocket veto proof, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted December 22, 2018 Share #13 Posted December 22, 2018 6 hours ago, shootingstar said: The government temporary shutdowns seem costly....there is a cost to reboot back to normal because of the administrative stuff, cost to make a shutdown happen and to restart. Using govn't employees as political pawns is not a way to ask govn't to be efficient. A business plan is required of govn't leadership and cut certain things permanently, etc. The cuts in certain govn't areas have been real. There are some services now outsourced to contract firms. I don't agree with certain things...not massive outsourcing in IT. Customization of software by contractors ….doesn't build internal expertise to maintain those systems. And then there's the whole issue of personal data in the hands of contractors....it real loss of control for private sector cloud solutions. It's harder to track /audit who is accessing what once it leaves govn't servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted December 26, 2018 Share #14 Posted December 26, 2018 I guess a lot of Americans don't believe the latest furlough will last long? Didn't know you had 29 different ones since 1979. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 26, 2018 Share #15 Posted December 26, 2018 By not paying the government employees, he can pay for his wall. Somebody has to pay for it... because it's not the Mexicans. Maybe we can get the Canadians to do it? That should make you feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris... Posted December 26, 2018 Share #16 Posted December 26, 2018 My wife is considered essential personnel. No days off for her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted December 26, 2018 Share #17 Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Dottles said: By not paying the government employees, he can pay for his wall. Somebody has to pay for it... because it's not the Mexicans. Maybe we can get the Canadians to do it? That should make you feel better. The employees have always been paid retroactively in the past. I don't see anything different this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted December 26, 2018 Share #18 Posted December 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: The employees have always been paid retroactively in the past. I don't see anything different this time. Except for the games people play and a differing atmosphere in DC, everything is the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 26, 2018 Share #19 Posted December 26, 2018 I'm wondering how long this thread goes before moving into the P&R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted December 27, 2018 Share #20 Posted December 27, 2018 I bet it stays, as long as people stay civil. Why, you getting an itch?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 27, 2018 Share #21 Posted December 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: I bet it stays, as long as people stay civil. Why, you getting an itch?? Nah, I'm good. I just watch the show these days in amusement. My stomach churns less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted December 27, 2018 Share #22 Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Dottles said: Nah, I'm good. I just watch the show these days in amusement. My stomach churns less. It's the soup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 27, 2018 Share #23 Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, maddmaxx said: It's the soup. Indeed. Digestion is so much easier these days. I seem to be happier too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 27, 2018 Share #24 Posted December 27, 2018 3 hours ago, sheep_herder said: Why, you getting an itch? Yes, the PR kind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share #25 Posted December 27, 2018 On December 22, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Razors Edge said: Spoke with MDofA yesterday. She was at work furloughing people. Her 5 office mates were at home. In the end they will all be paid for the day. She would have preferred being with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted December 27, 2018 Share #26 Posted December 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Airehead said: Spoke with MDofA yesterday. She was at work furloughing people. Her 5 office mates were at home. In the end they will all be paid for the day. She would have preferred being with us. This guy - a local government workplace reporter - lays it out pretty well: For civil servants and for all citizens, these situations eat away at confidence in our political processes and our politicians. Skepticism threatens to become cynicism. So for many reasons, while shutdowns have small net effect on federal spending, they are indeed costly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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