Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Share #1 Posted January 19, 2019 The whole human vs logic thing. I am afeared that robots are going to kick our ass in many ways because they relentlessly use logic and never forget and probably learn from the past, some things that siriusly challenge us humans, especially us older humans! So I guess we need to concentrate on our more messy advantages, mainly that we are devious and sneaky as hell. And maybe our "gut" and intuition also and ability to make connections, although the robots have their own advantages in the connection area. I am thinking of the coming co-existence of robot cars and human drivers. It will undoubtedly be veeeery interesting, as Artie Shaw <see that, I forget! - courtesy of the google robot, Arte Johnson> would say! The cars will be forced to obey the rules - the number one area for conflict or at least a big difference is the de facto vs legal speed limits. It has bothered me that there is again such a marked difference, much like there was in the day of the double nickel speed limit. So we are all basically a nation of crinimals again unless we plod along in the right lane at 65. The gray area or judgement call and ethical debate is 65-69 - still technically illegal, but practically you will be pretty darn safe from the long arm of the law, but you will loose the moral high ground. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted January 19, 2019 Share #2 Posted January 19, 2019 Robots need absolute boundaries. Fuzzy logic will always be flawed, as we have found in humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, donkpow said: Robots need absolute boundaries. Fuzzy logic will always be flawed, as we have found in humans. You don;t hear as much aboot fuzzy logic these days - the buzzword seems to have shifted away from it and artificial intelligence and neural networks to machine intelligence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #4 Posted January 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, donkpow said: Robots need absolute boundaries. Fuzzy logic will always be flawed, as we have found in humans. I wish Isaac Asimov was around to see all the latest advancements! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirwickWithCheese Posted January 19, 2019 Share #5 Posted January 19, 2019 Robots will never make great lady barbers. Screw Amazon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted January 19, 2019 Cheese, you are playing into RG's hands by bringing up the sex angle! :D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted January 19, 2019 Share #8 Posted January 19, 2019 Boom! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirwickWithCheese Posted January 19, 2019 Share #9 Posted January 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: Cheese, you are playing into RG's hands by bringing up the sex angle! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted January 19, 2019 Kirk was SUCH a horndog! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted January 19, 2019 Share #11 Posted January 19, 2019 Instead of Hollywood always producing so many futuristic shows about people in space, I think it would be more interesting to see what the earth is like in the year 3000 or 4000. How did we solve the big problems facing us? Such as overpopulation, destruction of the environment and our natural resources, overpopulation, diseases, war, overpopulation, etc. ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Share #12 Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Road Runner said: Instead of Hollywood always producing so many futuristic shows about people in space, I think it would be more interesting to see what the earth is like in the year 3000 or 4000. How did we solve the big problems facing us? Such as overpopulation, destruction of the environment and our natural resources, overpopulation, diseases, war, overpopulation, etc. ? Allow me to introduce myself............Hope you know my name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted January 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Road Runner said: Instead of Hollywood always producing so many futuristic shows about people in space, I think it would be more interesting to see what the earth is like in the year 3000 or 4000. How did we solve the big problems facing us? Such as overpopulation, destruction of the environment and our natural resources, overpopulation, diseases, war, overpopulation, etc. ? Predicting is hard, especially of the future. Something very cool aboot a statement by a genius physicist, Neils Bohr, that is often attributed to and sounds eggzactly like a statement that could be by Yogi Berra. I and millyuns of others love Yogi's absurdity. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #15 Posted January 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Road Runner said: Instead of Hollywood always producing so many futuristic shows about people in space, I think it would be more interesting to see what the earth is like in the year 3000 or 4000. How did we solve the big problems facing us? Such as overpopulation, destruction of the environment and our natural resources, overpopulation, diseases, war, overpopulation, etc. ? We will be around to see the smaller things, like progress in solar power, electric cars, etc., but it would indeed be cool to know how things look 100 years from now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirwickWithCheese Posted January 19, 2019 Share #16 Posted January 19, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #17 Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, AirwickWithCheese said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirwickWithCheese Posted January 19, 2019 Share #18 Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: RR gave me a whatever. He has been very mean recently. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, AirwickWithCheese said: RR gave me a whatever. He has been very mean recently. I guess he is trying to eliminate cheese from his diet. :( 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted January 19, 2019 Share #20 Posted January 19, 2019 I also find futuristic shows where the races are still so defined to be ludicrous. I'm pretty sure that if we don't kill ourselves off as a species, we will surely be just an amalgamation of the races by the year 3000. To see people with strictly caucasian, african or asian physical features will probably be somewhat rare in the distant future. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted January 19, 2019 Share #21 Posted January 19, 2019 OT. I am on FI-YAH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirwickWithCheese Posted January 19, 2019 Share #22 Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Road Runner said: I also find futuristic shows where the races are still so defined to be ludicrous. I'm pretty sure that if we don't kill ourselves off as a species, we will surely be just an amalgamation of the races by the year 3000. To see people with strictly caucasian, african or asian physical features will probably be somewhat rare in the distant future. Greenville SC will be a time capsule of 1956. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #23 Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Road Runner said: I also find futuristic shows where the races are still so defined to be ludicrous. I'm pretty sure that if we don't kill ourselves off as a species, we will surely be just an amalgamation of the races by the year 3000. To see people with strictly caucasian, african or asian physical features will probably be somewhat rare in the distant future. Yup! Just like the standard street dog. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #24 Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, AirwickWithCheese said: Greenville SC will be a time capsule of 1956. Yay! A very good year indeed! Many great things were produced in 1956. :) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirwickWithCheese Posted January 19, 2019 Share #25 Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: Yay! A very good year indeed! Many great things were produced in 1956. And Oprah wasn't around. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted January 19, 2019 Share #26 Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: Yay! A very good year indeed! Many great things were produced in 1956. It was a bad year to be born. Lots of evil people were born in 1956. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted January 19, 2019 Share #27 Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Road Runner said: It was a bad year to be born. Lots of evil people were born in 1956. Hey! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted January 19, 2019 Share #28 Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: I am afeared that robots are going to kick our ass in many ways because they relentlessly use logic and never forget and probably learn from the past, some things that siriusly challenge us humans, especially us older humans! Sigh. Frankenstein started out as a scary story about the effects of new technology. We take it for granted now. It's a box that can save lives, and you can find it in schools, buses, you can even have a defib in your home. That's the arc these tech stories follow. 'OOOHHH, I'm scared', and then, 'where's a defib when you need one???' Humans and computers have a symbiotic relationship, and that's not going to change for a century, or more. When it does change, it will be because we have given them legal status as people. Which is also a symbiotic relationship. Sorry, but popular scific isn't science, or logical, or... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted January 19, 2019 Share #29 Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, late said: Sigh. Frankenstein started out as a scary story about the effects of new technology. We take it for granted now. It's a box that can save lives, and you can find it in schools, buses, you can even have a defib in your home. That's the arc these tech stories follow. 'OOOHHH, I'm scared', and then, 'where's a defib when you need one???' Humans and computers have a symbiotic relationship, and that's not going to change for a century, or more. When it does change, it will be because we have given them legal status as people. Which is also a symbiotic relationship. Sorry, but popular scific isn't science, or logical, or... ... and trains were going to go dangerously fast. As were the automobiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted January 19, 2019 Share #30 Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, donkpow said: ... and trains were going to go dangerously fast. As were the automobiles. Long time ago, a physicist said that anyone going over 60mph would have their atoms fly apart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #31 Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, late said: Long time ago, a physicist said that anyone going over 60mph would have their atoms fly apart. Gotta love those arbitrary WAGs aboot an arbitrary speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted January 19, 2019 Share #32 Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, late said: Long time ago, a physicist said that anyone going over 60mph would have their atoms fly apart. That's probably what happened to Cheese. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #33 Posted January 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, late said: Sigh. Frankenstein started out as a scary story about the effects of new technology. We take it for granted now. It's a box that can save lives, and you can find it in schools, buses, you can even have a defib in your home. That's the arc these tech stories follow. 'OOOHHH, I'm scared', and then, 'where's a defib when you need one???' Humans and computers have a symbiotic relationship, and that's not going to change for a century, or more. When it does change, it will be because we have given them legal status as people. Which is also a symbiotic relationship. Sorry, but popular scific isn't science, or logical, or... I'm not saying I am running oot to buy robot insurance! The fun is in the human/technology relationship. I love using the smartphone to compensate for my waning memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted January 19, 2019 Share #34 Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: I love using the smartphone to compensate for my waning memory. I wonder when we will stop calling these things, "phones"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted January 19, 2019 Share #35 Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Road Runner said: I wonder when we will stop calling these things, "phones"? What do you think they should be called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted January 19, 2019 Share #36 Posted January 19, 2019 35 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: it would indeed be cool to know how things look 100 years from now. As Donkpow reminded me, "Soylent Green". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted January 19, 2019 Share #37 Posted January 19, 2019 34 minutes ago, AirwickWithCheese said: RR gave me a whatever. He has been very mean recently. He called me an ass. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirwickWithCheese Posted January 19, 2019 Share #38 Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: He called me an ass. What can be done? We can't suspend him, the place falls apart when he's gone. It's like the electric company not being allowed to shut off the power in the winter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #39 Posted January 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, late said: What do you think they should be called? Tricorders! Devices isn't quite right. UCD or PCD sounds good to me - Ubiquitous or Portable or Pocket Computing Device Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share #40 Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, AirwickWithCheese said: What can be done? We can't suspend him, the place falls apart when he's gone. It's like the electric company not being allowed to shut off the power in the winter. He is sort of the James Dean of the forum! Rebel without a cause. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted January 19, 2019 Share #41 Posted January 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, AirwickWithCheese said: What can be done? We can't suspend him, the place falls apart when he's gone. It's like the electric company not being allowed to shut off the power in the winter. I had to cry myself to sleep, and this is the support I get? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted January 19, 2019 Share #42 Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: Tricorders! Devices isn't quite right. UCD or PCD sounds good to me - Ubiquitous or Portable or Pocket Computing Device I would expect something that described their function in some way, like Link. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Share #43 Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: Gotta love those arbitrary WAGs aboot an arbitrary speed. There was a demon that lived in the air. They said whoever challenged him would die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Share #44 Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, donkpow said: OT. I am on FI-YAH! Harry Mudd is on Star Trek Discovery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted January 19, 2019 Share #45 Posted January 19, 2019 My guess is that humans will put a limit on the ability of robots/computers to overthrow us. But we will become partly robots ourselves to keep up. But my guess is that we, clothed, bespectacled, hearing aided, wristwatched, smartphoned, etc. humans will continue to augment what we can do physically and mentally with artificial improvements so that we will be more like the Borg than like Captain Picard in a couple hundred years. Once technology is able to let our brain tap into a memory bank or app that does math, creative writing, etc. people will connect. Hopefully we won't be locked into a central memory with a queen making the big decisions, but there surely will be a voluntary memory bank people will access just like they use Wikipedia now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted January 19, 2019 Share #46 Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, MickinMD said: My guess is that humans will put a limit on the ability of robots/computers to overthrow us. But we will become partly robots ourselves to keep up. But my guess is that we, clothed, bespectacled, hearing aided, wristwatched, smartphoned, etc. humans will continue to augment what we can do physically and mentally with artificial improvements so that we will be more like the Borg than like Captain Picard in a couple hundred years. Once technology is able to let our brain tap into a memory bank or app that does math, creative writing, etc. people will connect. Hopefully we won't be locked into a central memory with a queen making the big decisions, but there surely will be a voluntary memory bank people will access just like they use Wikipedia now. Or "Surrogates" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted January 19, 2019 Share #47 Posted January 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Road Runner said: Instead of Hollywood always producing so many futuristic shows about people in space, I think it would be more interesting to see what the earth is like in the year 3000 or 4000. How did we solve the big problems facing us? Such as overpopulation, destruction of the environment and our natural resources, overpopulation, diseases, war, overpopulation, etc. ? The Road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted January 20, 2019 Share #48 Posted January 20, 2019 12 hours ago, Road Runner said: Instead of Hollywood always producing so many futuristic shows about people in space, I think it would be more interesting to see what the earth is like in the year 3000 or 4000. How did we solve the big problems facing us? Such as overpopulation, destruction of the environment and our natural resources, overpopulation, diseases, war, overpopulation, etc. ? They did that in Escape from New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted January 20, 2019 Share #49 Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Randomguy said: They did that in Escape from New York. It is hard to argue with Barbi. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted January 20, 2019 Share #50 Posted January 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Randomguy said: They did that in Escape from New York. Also, Soylent Green. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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