Razors Edge ★ Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share #51 Posted February 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: villainy Hard to argue the "villains" part. "Scum" may be more of a perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted February 4, 2019 Share #52 Posted February 4, 2019 If I said I hate New York City that would be parochial. Washington is a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share #53 Posted February 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: If I said I hate New York City that would be parochial. Washington is a no brainer. You've never seen the Pandas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted February 4, 2019 Share #54 Posted February 4, 2019 Poosies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted February 4, 2019 Share #55 Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Razors Edge said: You've never seen the Pandas! Like the picante sauce.........In New York City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted February 4, 2019 Share #56 Posted February 4, 2019 Quote Why Do Folks Live Where It Gets to -8F and -24F Wind Chill? So they have space and opportunity to herd sheeps and ski and snowmobile and fatbike in snowy woods! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted February 4, 2019 Share #57 Posted February 4, 2019 Why Do Folks Live Where It Gets to -8F and -24F Wind Chill? So They can do Polar Plunges. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted February 5, 2019 Share #58 Posted February 5, 2019 I can deal with the temps, but the bugs might push me out. I have been chased by swarms of mosquitoes & deer flies. And ticks are new devils spawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted February 5, 2019 Share #59 Posted February 5, 2019 Personally, if I didn't have lots of family and friends in Maryland, I'd permanently move to somewhere warm all year - though I'd miss the seasons a little: and the cold makes you appreciate warm weather more. Today, I walked Goldendoodle Jake for a few miles and didn't need a coat - the temperature was 54F, sunny, no wind, and I'm acclimatized to winter. What a great day for early February - it's supposed to hit 60F tomorrow. Originally, tribes fled raiders and conquerors or, finding greater safety and sometimes better food availability in cold, hot, swampy, desert, etc. climates. Then their offspring got used to it and multiplied there. For example, small towns fleeing Hannibal's invasion of northern Italy reached a swampy place where no one wanted to settle and where Hannibal's troops wouldn't follow and founded a town they named "I came this far" (running from Hannibal). Their descendants continued to live there, thinking all the mosquitoes, etc. were normal. Of course, students of Julius Caesar know "I came" is "Vene" in Latin, and today the town still bears a corrupted version of that original name, Venezia or, in English, Venice. Note that those who didn't try to conquer Scandinavia, Mongolia, Siberia, the Sahara Desert, and similar places include Pharoah Thutmose III, the Hittites, the Spartans, the Babylonians, the Persians, Alexander the Great, Chin Chuan who first united Zhongguo ("Central Country") - but which we call "China" after that first emperor, the Roman Legions, and Napoleon. Those bastards wiped out huge numbers of people, but didn't lay a finger on the Swedes, Mongols, Tuaregs, Berbers, Eskimos, etc. When people who adapted to those climates over generations emigrated, they looked for similar climates, so Minnesota got a lot of Scandinavians, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirbys Wild Sister Posted February 9, 2019 Share #60 Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/4/2019 at 12:05 PM, Page Turner said: ...and riffraff. Think about it. Where does @Kirbys Wild Sister live ? Asheville, North Carolina. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_photog ★ Posted February 9, 2019 Share #61 Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/4/2019 at 12:03 PM, dennis said: You're right. This sucks. I'll trade you mud for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 9, 2019 Share #62 Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/4/2019 at 9:30 AM, Razors Edge said: ...especially when the same "things" can be done in less challenging environments? Is it just human nature to want to make life harder for oneself? And how easy is too "easy"? Hawaii seem too easy, but I'm willing to test my theory out for a while Right now it's -27 degrees C with -35 degrees C wind chill. The only saving grace is prairie air tends to be drier than eastern/central Canada (and northeastern U.S.). I do know since I lived in southern Ontario for lst 40+ yrs. of life. Then went snowshoeing often in British Columbian mountains when I lived in Vancouver for 8 yrs.....where often it's -10 degrees C in mountains with more humid air (and hence, slightly stickier snow). It is bright and sunny with all this cold. We've had to scale back on what we do today because of extreme cold. One has to wear scarf to prevent face frostbite. So we're going to take LRT, see a movie, then grocery shop and stop by cafe. It makes a huge difference to live close to all this rather than in some (not all) car-bound suburbs. We haven't had this deep freeze until for past 4 days which will continue for next 4 days or so. We do live 100 km. east of famed and beautiful Rocky Mtns. But it does cost money to go to those areas frequently during winter. Most locals I know might go at most 4-5 times per winter. Many go only 1-3 times annually if that. So what dennis shows in his area...is like a fantasy to us because we don't live right next door to the winter wonderland wildnerness. I enjoy snowshoeing, hiking up to -18 degrees C. in winter wilderness and walking around in city. After that it does get harder to stay outdoors beyond 2 hrs. Winter is actually lovely...it just needs the right level of cold. I am a 4 season lover. I could not live a place that was sunny, tropical for 4 seasons...might be bored abit. ? I've never gone anywhere tropical for Christmas. A huge part of me will always want snow in Dec. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted February 9, 2019 Share #63 Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/4/2019 at 1:41 PM, Razors Edge said: I think I would most struggle with an arid environment vs a four seasons sort of thing or a tropical clime like Hawaii. If you don't like Hawaii's climate, drive 60 minutes. You'll either find yourself in a rain forest, a lava desert, a beach, or a mountain top. I find it difficult to argue with the islands' offerings. I would rather winter in Colorado than DC, and certainly rather summer there, too. My job has me stationed where I am currently, but as I said previously, if my kids scatter after college, we're moving. And I don't think my winter is much worse than in DC, and summers in PGH are much less humid than DC. And I go to the Lake, which takes another 10 degrees off the hottest summer days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 9, 2019 Share #64 Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/4/2019 at 10:13 AM, dennis said: Why are people so afraid of snow and cold temps? Best skiing in the country. Fatbiking heaven. Nordic. Wildlife viewing opportunities, moose, elk, bears, mt lions, mt sheep, mt goats, wolves. It's pretty amazing if you give it a chance. It's nice to say this...but people in southern Ontario don't have elk or bighorn wild sheep, long haired white mountain goats to see in winter. Wild bears do exist but not in as great frequency as in western Alberta nor in British Columbia. Each winter region in North America has its strengths. Ontario and Quebec produce maple syrup because those maple trees exist....not in Alberta nor in British Columbia. I didn't know that until I lived these 3 regions of Canada. What I would find very tough is to live in a arid, desert like area with lack of large leafy trees....regardless of temperatures. The hardest part for me in the prairies when we go for long bike ride in certain areas, is the lack of any tree cover or just seeing trees instead of brush/bushes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 9, 2019 Share #65 Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/4/2019 at 10:06 AM, Razors Edge said: No one said "sucks". Definitely not me. Although -9 and -24 wind chill are pretty awful, so you need to find some "reason" to put up with it (which was the question posed). I live where I've been for past few years....because of a job. What is very interesting is meeting long time locals if they have some money...they will buy a 2nd home or relocate for retirement outside of Alberta. Many head to British Columbia, etc. Some go to Arizona (which I have no interest ..at all. Sorry.) So the big message: if they have money they will go outside of province. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team scooter Posted February 9, 2019 Share #66 Posted February 9, 2019 Our son sort of put it into perspective. When someone asked him how he could stand the heat and humidity after he moved down south from Wisconsin. He said he dealt with the same in both locations. He'd start the car ahead of time and set the climate control before he drove away, and hurry between the car and store. I'm guessing at some point if we can retire, we'll move somewhere warmer. But until then, we're still making memories. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share #67 Posted February 9, 2019 For every cute family photo or awesome back-country ski pic, my mind always circles back to: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team scooter Posted February 9, 2019 Share #68 Posted February 9, 2019 Did you even read my post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share #69 Posted February 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, team scooter said: Did you even read my post? Does it matter? FWIW, though, I didn't see an answer to the question. I liked your photo. I liked Dennis' photo. Heck, I love skiing and sitting in a cabin by a fireplace sipping hot chocolate. But then winter comes, and 1% of my life is skiing and relaxing by the fire, and 99% is hoping for a nice warm, rainy evening to clear the slush and black ice so I can get on enjoying my routine - safely. I will, say, maybe my time in the south has made me heat tolerant more so than cold tolerant. As a kid, snow days were great and being cold was usually accompanied by snowball fights or a toboggan ride down nearby hills. And longer days mean after work sunlight(!) which is huge to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR46 Posted February 9, 2019 Share #70 Posted February 9, 2019 I had this beer open for a good half hour and it still cold. It's 9° outside and the beer is starting to freeze up. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted February 9, 2019 Share #71 Posted February 9, 2019 I am not enjoying the cold today. 22 and breezy. Hibernating inside. Could build a fire, but I’d have to go outside to get the wood. Looking forward to a trip to Mississippi next weekend and a cruise from Miami next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted February 9, 2019 Share #72 Posted February 9, 2019 Fatbike ride this morning. Time to go ski now. I'll probably ski tomorrow as well. Living in a place like this allows for these opportunities . Not just for vacation, but multiple times every week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted February 9, 2019 Share #73 Posted February 9, 2019 I am heading out to feed at 4:00PM MST, and the temperature is 0F with -13F wind chill. Some of you would not like this, but to each their own. We'll be out for an hour or so. We are enjoying the fact there is adequate light to work after 5:00pm. We normally really start noticing the difference in day length about this time of the year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dinneR ★ Posted February 10, 2019 Popular Post Share #74 Posted February 10, 2019 On 2/4/2019 at 9:30 AM, Razors Edge said: ...especially when the same "things" can be done in less challenging environments? Is it just human nature to want to make life harder for oneself? And how easy is too "easy"? Hawaii seem too easy, but I'm willing to test my theory out for a while To give you a serious answer, I like winter. I can't imagine living somewhere that doesn't have snow for a good part of the year. Today I rode my fatbike in a national forest and nordic skied in a national park. Tomorrow I might downhill ski at the #1 ski resort in the country. I can do this all winter long, not just occasionally while on vacation. In the warmer months, I can roll out my front door to mt bike trail one block away. I ride my road bike to two national parks. During the month of April, the park is ours exclusively. No cars. Climbing, hiking, biking, skiing are hard to beat here. How often do you get to do these things? Living in suburbia would drive me crazy. To each his own, but being close to a Costco does nothing for me. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted February 10, 2019 Share #75 Posted February 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Razors Edge said: For every cute family photo or awesome back-country ski pic, my mind always circles back to: Not seen these types of conditions very often and not where we have lived. Snow and ice are pretty gross where there is a lot of traffic and no snow removal equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR46 Posted February 10, 2019 Share #76 Posted February 10, 2019 This little guy wasn't really into the snowmobile racing and wasn't going to let 10 degree temperature keep him from his nap. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 10, 2019 Share #77 Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, dennis said: To give you a serious answer, I like winter. I can't imagine living somewhere that doesn't have snow for a good part of the year. Today I rode my fatbike in a national forest and nordic skied in a national park. Tomorrow I might downhill ski at the #1 ski resort in the country. I can do this all winter long, not just occasionally while on vacation. In the warmer months, I can roll out my front door to mt bike trail one block away. I ride my road bike to two national parks. During the month of April, the park is ours exclusively. No cars. Climbing, hiking, biking, skiing are hard to beat here. How often do you get to do these things? Living in suburbia would drive me crazy. To each his own, but being close to a Costco does nothing for me. Dennis there is an inherent reality for a sizable population (more than many people here in this forum may know in real life) who don't drive....it's better to live near urban amenities and good public transportation to wilderness areas about 100 km. away. The towns of Banff inside national park of Banff and CAnmore which is about 23 km. east of Banff, are aggressively expanding their local bus transit for both locals (many who work in lower wage service/tourist industry) and for tourists to get between these 2 towns, plus 50 km. north to famed Lake Louise area. The federal govn't Parks Canada has expanded their bus shuttles to Lake Moraine and Johnston Canyon during summer to early fall to reduce car emissions, car congestion. This has all been growing in past 3 yrs. It is the same thing living in Vancouver....there are multiple buses that run daily between city and ski resort Whistler (which gets less snow than Banff/Lake Louise) 100 km. north. Sure Vancouverites living downtown within 15 min. walk of transit, shops, services, can go snowboarding/snowshoeing or skiing by taking a municipal bus to foot of Grouse Mt. etc. and take gondola, etc. Don't knock places in the world where it is possible to have options without compromising on accessibility to services and outdoor (wilderness) activities. For myself personally, I would not want to live year round in a mountain resort town. The snow hangs around those areas too long, then it's too muddy in spring to go hiking for quite awhile and for me, towns too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted February 10, 2019 Share #78 Posted February 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, shootingstar said: Dennis there is an inherent reality for a sizable population (more than many people here in this forum may know in real life) who don't drive....it's better to live near urban amenities and good public transportation to wilderness areas about 100 km. away. The towns of Banff inside national park of Banff and CAnmore which is about 23 km. east of Banff, are aggressively expanding their local bus transit for both locals (many who work in lower wage service/tourist industry) and for tourists to get between these 2 towns, plus 50 km. north to famed Lake Louise area. The federal govn't Parks Canada has expanded their bus shuttles to Lake Moraine and Johnston Canyon during summer to early fall to reduce car emissions, car congestion. This has all been growing in past 3 yrs. It is the same thing living in Vancouver....there are multiple buses that run daily between city and ski resort Whistler (which gets less snow than Banff/Lake Louise) 100 km. north. Sure Vancouverites living downtown within 15 min. walk of transit, shops, services, can go snowboarding/snowshoeing or skiing by taking a municipal bus to foot of Grouse Mt. etc. and take gondola, etc. Don't knock places in the world where it is possible to have options without compromising on accessibility to services and outdoor (wilderness) activities. For myself personally, I would not want to live year round in a mountain resort town. The snow hangs around those areas too long, then it's too muddy in spring to go hiking for quite awhile and for me, towns too small. I did not knock places in the world where it is possible to have options without compromising on accessibility to services and outdoor (wilderness) activities. I did not. I said I would not like suburbia. That is a fact. I would not like it. I'm not asking you or anyone to live year round in a mountain town. I am not. Another fact. We have a bus system here. I use it. I walk or ride my bike to the grocery store. I walk or bike to work and take care of most of my business. These are facts. Razor's Edge asked a question. I gave him my answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted February 10, 2019 Share #79 Posted February 10, 2019 ...I spent a month in Aspen in the wintertime once. I never drove anywhere except into Aspen on the first day, and out of Aspen on the last day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted February 10, 2019 Share #80 Posted February 10, 2019 We spent a few spring breaks in Basalt in the 60s, as we knew the folks that owned the motel. My wife worked one summer in Aspen before we were married and while I was working on a fire crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted February 10, 2019 Share #81 Posted February 10, 2019 17 hours ago, Razors Edge said: For every cute family photo or awesome back-country ski pic, my mind always circles back to: Do you also imagine such consequences are present in Northern Norway, etc.? Adaptation is more complete for those civilizations. The answer to the original question of why people seek out and adapt to harsh environments is an answer which has followed humanity since its inception. Think about it, man! Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted February 10, 2019 Share #82 Posted February 10, 2019 52 minutes ago, donkpow said: Do you also imagine such consequences are present in Northern Norway, etc.? Adaptation is more complete for those civilizations. The answer to the original question of why people seek out and adapt to harsh environments is an answer which has followed humanity since its inception. Think about it, man! Think about it. Because it’s there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 10, 2019 Share #83 Posted February 10, 2019 2 hours ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: Because it’s there! Yup (but that's not the reason I am where I am). Meanwhile right now it's -30 C, with -39 C with wind chill, @ 75% humidity. ? Yesterday was very quiet downtown...hardly anyone walking around. At this type of super cold temperature, we would never go snowshoeing in the wilderness. I was trying to figure out how to wear a my scarf balaklava without my breath freezing around my scarf and face. ? I was getting ice crystals with my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted February 10, 2019 Share #84 Posted February 10, 2019 9” 24 HRS 322” SEASON 6° SUMMIT A co-worker just texted me. 9" of fresh. Let's meet on the mountain. Time to fly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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