sheep_herder ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #1 Posted June 13, 2019 Sad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted June 13, 2019 Share #2 Posted June 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: Sad Sad indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 13, 2019 Share #3 Posted June 13, 2019 I didn’t know it was so serious. I knew he broke is femur, didn’t know he was in icu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groupw Posted June 13, 2019 Share #4 Posted June 13, 2019 I wanted another team than Enos/Sky to win for a change of pace, but not like this. Best wishes to him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petitepedal ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #5 Posted June 13, 2019 I heard about the leg..but dang he got banged up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Road Runner Posted June 13, 2019 Popular Post Share #6 Posted June 13, 2019 Well, it could have been worse. He could have ridden into a metal gate. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted June 13, 2019 Share #7 Posted June 13, 2019 "It’s obviously very gusty today and he took his hands off the bars to blow his nose and the wind has taken his front wheel." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted June 13, 2019 Share #8 Posted June 13, 2019 Lucky he didn't sprain anything. How was the bike? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted June 13, 2019 Share #9 Posted June 13, 2019 racing is dangerous. this is sad but also a little weird that in winds which were described as gusty here and wicked somewhere else, he took his hands off the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted June 13, 2019 Share #10 Posted June 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Airehead said: racing is dangerous. this is sad but also a little weird that in winds which were described as gusty here and wicked somewhere else, he took his hands off the bar. I was surprised to read he had taken his hands off the bars. A moment of inattention .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentonMakes Posted June 13, 2019 Share #11 Posted June 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, donkpow said: I was surprised to read he had taken his hands off the bars. A moment of inattention .... I feel like a pro cyclist can probably take his hands off the bars for 20 minutes and still control the bike. But clearly he got careless and I'm sure his team is (1) genuinely worried for his health and well-being, and (2) pissed off that their chances are damaged by something stupid. I hope he recovers quickly. No Froome, no Sherwen..... lots of changes this year. (I got excited when I saw a TdF spot during the hockey game last night) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #12 Posted June 13, 2019 Damn, all that from trying to blow his nose at 40 mph! Scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #13 Posted June 13, 2019 Also, why did they report his speed in MPH? Seems strange for a UK paper reporting about a crash that occurred in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted June 13, 2019 Share #14 Posted June 13, 2019 2 hours ago, donkpow said: I was surprised to read he had taken his hands off the bars. A moment of inattention .... Seriously, my worse crash came when I took my hands off the bars to wipe sweat from my face and head and I hit a small pothole in the road. I do not do that anymore. If I take my hands off the bars, I keep a keen eye on the road in front of me. Froome must have had complete confidence in his ability to control his bike in the conditions he was in. Unfortunately, one slight miscalculation or sudden change in the conditions or surroundings at speed with almost no body protection can be disastrous. Riding a bicycle is inherently dangerous, even for us amateurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #15 Posted June 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, jsharr said: Damn, all that from trying to blow his nose at 40 mph! Scary I'm an amateur but can do a one-handed snot-rocket without crashing. Heck I've even planted a snot-rocket on a dog who was chasing me once. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #16 Posted June 13, 2019 1 minute ago, JerrySTL said: I'm an amateur but can do a one-handed snot-rocket without crashing. Heck I've even planted a snot-rocket on a dog who was chasing me once. At 40 mph with serious cross winds on a time trial bike on a descent? Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted June 13, 2019 Share #17 Posted June 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, JerrySTL said: I'm an amateur but can do a one-handed snot-rocket without crashing. Heck I've even planted a snot-rocket on a dog who was chasing me once. I thought about that too. I'm not sure why you would need to use both hands to blow your nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ltdskilz Posted June 13, 2019 Share #18 Posted June 13, 2019 Good or bad news for Geraint Thomas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #19 Posted June 13, 2019 1 minute ago, jsharr said: At 40 mph with serious cross winds on a time trial bike on a descent? Asking for a friend. Sure. Even while leading a team time trial. Think about that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #20 Posted June 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Road Runner said: I thought about that too. I'm not sure why you would need to use both hands to blow your nose. Might be all or nothing as far as hands goes on one of these? Might have to sit up? Not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 13, 2019 Share #21 Posted June 13, 2019 51 minutes ago, jsharr said: Also, why did they report his speed in MPH? Seems strange for a UK paper reporting about a crash that occurred in France. Because they use miles for their road distance and hours for their time measurements. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 13, 2019 Share #22 Posted June 13, 2019 Froome’s never been known to be a particularly good bike handler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #23 Posted June 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Because they use miles for their road distance and hours for their time measurements. Live and learn. I never drove while in England, so I never really looked at the speed limit, just assumed kilometers since gas is sold by the litre, etc. Never been to France. I am a myopic Texican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #24 Posted June 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Froome’s never been known to be a particularly good bike handler. Well this will not help his image there, will it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 13, 2019 Share #25 Posted June 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, jsharr said: Never been to France. France does use Kms, but because it was a UK paper, they converted from French to English for their readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted June 13, 2019 Share #26 Posted June 13, 2019 38 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Froome’s never been known to be a particularly good bike handler. Really? I thought he was an exceptional descender and often takes time on descents. That requires a certain level of bike handling and he had a MTB background? I’m not saying your wrong, I never heard that and thought the opposite. But regardless of skill TT bikes are inherently twitchy and deep section wheels could have made it worse. Slight redirection here but doping aside, this exemplifies LA’s run of 7 TDF “wins” as such a remarkable feat. He never got sick, injured or crashed out of a race. Merckx & Hinault had to miss the TDF due to injury and may have won more but couldn’t. Froome misses two TDF’s during his run and Indurain had a meltdown going for #6. I’m not an LA fan but I can respect that accomplishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 13, 2019 Share #27 Posted June 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, ChrisL said: I thought he was an exceptional descender and often takes time on descents. He does. But he also crashes on the flats a lot. So my hypothesis is that being a mountain biker who transitioned to road cycling, his group riding skills aren’t the greatest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted June 13, 2019 Share #28 Posted June 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Road Runner said: I thought about that too. I'm not sure why you would need to use both hands to blow your nose. I just read a report in Cyclingnews that he only pulled one hand off the bars and at that instant a gust of wind blew him out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted June 13, 2019 Share #29 Posted June 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Road Runner said: I thought about that too. I'm not sure why you would need to use both hands to blow your nose. I just read a report in Cyclingnews that he only pulled one hand off the bars and at that instant a gust of wind blew him out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #30 Posted June 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, ChrisL said: I just read a report in Cyclingnews that he only pulled one hand off the bars and at that instant a gust of wind blew him out of control. According to Poels, who was trailing behind Froome, the pair had topped the Saint-André-d’Apchon climb (2.3km at 7.6%) that was midway through the course. They were on the descent when Froome raised his hand from his aero handlebars mounted on the time trial bike to blow his nose. According to Poels and Brailsford, a strong gust of wind caught Froome’s wheel and caused the Kenyan-born British rider to lose control. Froome was traveling at nearly 55kph on a straight section of road lined by houses when he struck a low wall and crashed heavily on his right side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #31 Posted June 13, 2019 5 hours ago, jsharr said: Might be all or nothing as far as hands goes on one of these? Might have to sit up? Not sure. Not a bike you ride no-handed. Just saying. But, also, he's even a little shaky on a regular bike compared to some folks in the peloton. Some guys are insanely gifted with balance (obvious example is Sagan), but others not so much despite thousands of hours on a bike. You can see some guys remove a shoe and sock, swap them with the car, and put them back on - all while cruising at 25+mph in close proximity to cars, motos, and other cyclists. On the other hand, sometimes you see a pro struggle to get a rain jacket on or off. I could do NEITHER, but one would think almost all pros could do a lot of that stuff easily. I think balance (a great inner ear?) is not required to be a good or great cyclist or cycling racer. It probably helps, but it probably isn't essential relative to some more important skills and strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted June 13, 2019 Share #32 Posted June 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Not a bike you ride no-handed. Just saying. But, also, he's even a little shaky on a regular bike compared to some folks in the peloton. Some guys are insanely gifted with balance (obvious example is Sagan), but others not so much despite thousands of hours on a bike. You can see some guys remove a shoe and sock, swap them with the car, and put them back on - all while cruising at 25+mph in close proximity to cars, motos, and other cyclists. On the other hand, sometimes you see a pro struggle to get a rain jacket on or off. I could do NEITHER, but one would think almost all pros could do a lot of that stuff easily. I think balance (a great inner ear?) is not required to be a good or great cyclist or cycling racer. It probably helps, but it probably isn't essential relative to some more important skills and strengths. I have a neighbor and riding buddy who did one of those TDF tour stages. They basically dropped them off hours before the start mid way on the stage and they rode to the finish and then stay & watch the finish. He said they did the Alpe stage and due to the traffic they were told to ride back down for pick up after the stage ended. He said there was people, cars & bikes all over the road and he was absolutely white knuckling it down the mtn. And then George Hincapie and a couple of Posties zoom past him no handed with a bar in one hand, drink in the other weaving through traffic. He said he nearly shit himself when he saw that... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted June 13, 2019 Share #33 Posted June 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, ChrisL said: I have a neighbor and riding buddy who did one of those TDF tour stages. They basically dropped them off hours before the start mid way on the stage and they rode to the finish and then stay & watch the finish. He said they did the Alpe stage and due to the traffic they were told to ride back down for pick up after the stage ended. He said there was people, cars & bikes all over the road and he was absolutely white knuckling it down the mtn. And then George Hincapie and a couple of Posties zoom past him no handed with a bar in one hand, drink in the other weaving through traffic. He said he nearly shit himself when he saw that... Some of the coverage of the Giro on FloBikes included daily extra commentary and side events (like pros and amateurs riding the first stage on Zwift). Anyway, one episode had one of the commentators showing regular folks sharing the road as the autobus and stragglers slowly came down a descent behind the main race. It was a "share the road BUT move out of the way for the still racing pros" situation and that was not always adhered to. Skip to 3:14 below: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 14, 2019 Share #34 Posted June 14, 2019 I’ve walked down Brasstown Bald and several Alp and Pyrenees climbs with profis zipping past the spectators on their way down. It saves them hours getting to their hotel than if they were to try to get the team bus down the mountains. I don’t understand the course Froome was riding, or at least the bike selection. A 2.5 km 7+% climb on a TT rig? And he was going to descend with a disc wheel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #35 Posted June 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: I’ve walked down Brasstown Bald and several Alp and Pyrenees climbs with profis zipping past the spectators on their way down. It saves them hours getting to their hotel than if they were to try to get the team bus down the mountains. I don’t understand the course Froome was riding, or at least the bike selection. A 2.5 km 7+% climb on a TT rig? And he was going to descend with a disc wheel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 14, 2019 Share #36 Posted June 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: So you’re saying “they all did it”? For a inconsequential stage in June, I might have gone with a road bike and clip on aero bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #37 Posted June 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: So you’re saying “they all did it”? For a inconsequential stage in June, I might have gone with a road bike and clip on aero bars. No, those other guys kept their hands on their bars. Froome REALLY crashed hard. 14.6 km downhill is much funner on a TT bike! Until it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 14, 2019 Share #38 Posted June 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Razors Edge said: No, those other guys kept their hands on their bars. Well, they are still on the climb it seems. It’s the descent that gets squirrelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted June 14, 2019 Share #39 Posted June 14, 2019 Interesting points throughout this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted June 14, 2019 Share #40 Posted June 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Well, they are still on the climb it seems. It’s the descent that gets squirrelly. I think the key part that hasn’t been discussed is that he was preriding the TT course. His attention & focus probably weren’t as sharp and he probably wouldn’t have bothered to take a hand off the bar to blow his nose in an actual race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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