Airehead Posted June 14, 2019 Share #1 Posted June 14, 2019 Seriously what does this mean? We are replacing a roof on one of our building and I need to send the parent notification letters that nonfriable asbestos was found. What is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kzoo Posted June 14, 2019 Popular Post Share #2 Posted June 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Airehead said: nonfriable Not suitable for breakfast? @Parr8hed can grill anything. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted June 14, 2019 Share #3 Posted June 14, 2019 When you find asbestos, Federal laws kick in. Someone needs to look into what they require, in your circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2019 Share #4 Posted June 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Airehead said: Seriously what does this mean? We are replacing a roof on one of our building and I need to send the parent notification letters that nonfriable asbestos was found. What is this? It means someone is about to spend a lot of money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted June 14, 2019 Share #5 Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, late said: When you find asbestos, Federal laws kick in. Someone needs to look into what they require, in your circumstance. She’s Top Dog in a school system. I think they got that covered, hence the need for notice to parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted June 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, late said: When you find asbestos, Federal laws kick in. Someone needs to look into what they require, in your circumstance. Yep-- we have guys who have guys! I have the federal form letter but it isnt parent friendly. I want to help avoid the panic and provide an explanation. I just asked my project manager to get me the definitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Digital_photog ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Popular Post Share #7 Posted June 14, 2019 I did a search and this is one of the easiest to understand explanations I found. Maybe it will help you. Friable vs non-friable asbestos Asbestos-containing materials fall into two broad categories: non-friable and friable. 'Friable' is used to refer to asbestos-containing materials that can be easily reduced to powder by hand, when dry. These materials are more likely to release measurable levels of asbestos into the airborne environment when disturbed, and generally pose a greater risk to health. Examples of friable asbestos-containing materials include: sprayed asbestos fire retardants thermal lagging, such as pipe insulation low density boards sheet vynil underlay or backing 'Non-friable', or bonded asbestos is used to refer to asbestos-containing materials in which the asbestos is firmly bound in the matrix of the material. These materials are unlikely to release measurable levels of asbestos fibre into the airborne environment if they are left undisturbed. Therefore, they generally pose a lower risk to health. Examples of bonded asbestos-containing materials include: asbestos cement products (flat and corrugated sheeting used in walls, ceilings and roofs, moulded items such as downpipes) vinyl floor tiles (however removal of the glue can be classed as friable) Because of its strength and its ability to resist heat and chemicals, asbestos was used in a range of insulation materials. http://www.thebreakthroughgroup.com.au/asbestos-removal/friable-vs-non-friable-asbestos.php 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_photog ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #8 Posted June 14, 2019 Sounds like if you are going to find asbestos you have the best kind to find. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #9 Posted June 14, 2019 Non-friable means the asbestos won't turn into powder by hand - where it could end up drifting into the air and then your lungs. Friable asbestos usually means asbestos containing materials that have gotten old and brittle. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_photog ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #10 Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, MickinMD said: Non-friable means the asbestos won't turn into powder by hand - where it could end up drifting into the air and then your lungs. Mick is a smart man. His explanation is easier to understand than what I posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted June 14, 2019 Share #11 Posted June 14, 2019 Not parent friendly, I am a parent and understood it non-friable perfectly with out having to look it up. So I'd say it is parent friendly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #12 Posted June 14, 2019 I still liked Kzoo’s explanation best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_photog ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #13 Posted June 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Indy said: Not parent friendly, I am a parent and understood it non-friable perfectly with out having to look it up. So I'd say it is parent friendly. You are an engineer. They are, well how should I say it? Not normal. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #14 Posted June 14, 2019 All you need to tell the parents is that the mill rate will be going up this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted June 14, 2019 Share #15 Posted June 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Digital_photog said: You are an engineer. They are, well how should I say it? Not normal. ? Well she didn't say anything about normal parent, she just stated parent. See, this is a huge problem with our education system. How are we supposed to teach kids to communicate effectively when the school administration and teachers can't. ? I have gotten into way to many arguments on FB from responding to one of my sister's post and one of her teacher friends/coworkers take exception to what I wrote because they infer more than what I said. Probably the engineer in me, but I usually try to write what I mean and mean no more than I write. I also read things that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #16 Posted June 14, 2019 I have a small roll of asbestos gasket making material in my garage. I've had it over 40 years. Maybe I should dispose of it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted June 14, 2019 Share #17 Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Longjohn said: I still liked Kzoo’s explanation best. Hey @jsharr I think this is nomination worthy. eh. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #18 Posted June 14, 2019 Every now and the I used to sleep in the top bunk onboard ship where the lagging of the overhead pipes could be found in friable chunks on the bed. It hasn't killed me yet but given a few more years......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted June 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Digital_photog said: Sounds like if you are going to find asbestos you have the best kind to find. that is what I have determined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #20 Posted June 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Kzoo said: Hey @jsharr I think this is nomination worthy. eh. It was right until I posted what is to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #21 Posted June 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Digital_photog said: Sounds like if you are going to find asbestos you have the best kind to find. Only if this is the kind they found The kids can paint it with bright lead based paints! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted June 14, 2019 Share #22 Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, jsharr said: It was right until I posted what is to follow. waiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted June 14, 2019 Share #23 Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, Kzoo said: waiting Asbestos jewelry with led paint. Take a deep breath. The only thing missing is DDT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #24 Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Kzoo said: waiting Your necklace and earrings are on the way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted June 14, 2019 Share #25 Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, jsharr said: It was right until I posted what is to follow. And I still think the LongJohn post has yours by a nip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted June 14, 2019 Share #26 Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, jsharr said: Your necklace and earrings are on the way. crosspost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #27 Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Kzoo said: Asbestos jewelry with led paint. Take a deep breath. The only thing missing is DDT. Art class at Love Canal Elementary School on Three Mile Island. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted June 14, 2019 Share #28 Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Kzoo said: And I still think the LongJohn post has yours by a nip. You could use the earrings on your nips I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted June 14, 2019 Share #29 Posted June 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, jsharr said: Art class at Love Canal Elementary School on Three Mile Island. Picnic in the park at noon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted June 14, 2019 Share #30 Posted June 14, 2019 Whew, what a relief. This type is cheaper to clean up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted June 15, 2019 Share #31 Posted June 15, 2019 Mmmm, fried asbestos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parr8hed Posted June 17, 2019 Share #32 Posted June 17, 2019 On 6/14/2019 at 8:23 AM, Kzoo said: Not suitable for breakfast? @Parr8hed can grill anything. Little bacon grease will hook it right on up. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted June 17, 2019 Share #33 Posted June 17, 2019 ...it's pretty rare to work in or on a building that was built before the late 80's without running into some asbestos. It's everywhere in thos ebuildings, as you quickly learn when you deconstruct them in a fire. Here's a guide....I'm guessing that either the roofing felt or your shingles are to blame, but it might also have something to do with insulation in the attic spaces. Anyway, most of us got some asbestos....those off us who are lucky have it in something like floor tiles that are now covered up with something else. Where this becomes a major inconvenience is when you rip the stuff out, like floor tiles or asbestos siding, and then try to find some place that will accept the waste. So your roofing job will have something tacked onto it for hazardous waste disposal (might not be a line item, or it might), that will kind of get your attention. Asbestos was a sold as a modern miracle of technology in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, so there's a lot of it around. It really is kind of miraculous. Hideously ugly asbestos siding shingles seem to last virtually forever, and how many of us have ever seen an asbestos tile floor that actually wore out ? I used to worry a lot about all the exposure I got as a fireman, but now I'm too old to worry any more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted June 17, 2019 Share #34 Posted June 17, 2019 <<< this is non friable asbestos. I<<< it's still there, (for obvious reasons.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted June 18, 2019 Share #35 Posted June 18, 2019 On 6/14/2019 at 5:55 AM, Digital_photog said: I did a search and this is one of the easiest to understand explanations I found. Maybe it will help you. Friable vs non-friable asbestos Asbestos-containing materials fall into two broad categories: non-friable and friable. 'Friable' is used to refer to asbestos-containing materials that can be easily reduced to powder by hand, when dry. These materials are more likely to release measurable levels of asbestos into the airborne environment when disturbed, and generally pose a greater risk to health. Examples of friable asbestos-containing materials include: sprayed asbestos fire retardants thermal lagging, such as pipe insulation low density boards sheet vynil underlay or backing 'Non-friable', or bonded asbestos is used to refer to asbestos-containing materials in which the asbestos is firmly bound in the matrix of the material. These materials are unlikely to release measurable levels of asbestos fibre into the airborne environment if they are left undisturbed. Therefore, they generally pose a lower risk to health. Examples of bonded asbestos-containing materials include: asbestos cement products (flat and corrugated sheeting used in walls, ceilings and roofs, moulded items such as downpipes) vinyl floor tiles (however removal of the glue can be classed as friable) Because of its strength and its ability to resist heat and chemicals, asbestos was used in a range of insulation materials. http://www.thebreakthroughgroup.com.au/asbestos-removal/friable-vs-non-friable-asbestos.php On 6/14/2019 at 5:56 AM, MickinMD said: Non-friable means the asbestos won't turn into powder by hand - where it could end up drifting into the air and then your lungs. Friable asbestos usually means asbestos containing materials that have gotten old and brittle. It would seem you two are in agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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