late Posted July 19, 2019 Share #51 Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, maddmaxx said: Civics come in all flavors. The type R however is good for a midlife crisis. 306 hp is plenty and you can still get a child seat in the rear. Just be aware that anything over 200hp can overwhelm the steering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted July 19, 2019 Share #52 Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, maddmaxx said: Civics come in all flavors. The type R however is good for a midlife crisis. 306 hp is plenty and you can still get a child seat in the rear. My Honda Civic has done nothing... Absolutely NOTHING to alleviate my mid-life crisis. Wait, maybe it's a personal issue. Am I too old for a mid-life crisis? It's not a Type R and does not have 306 HP. #pointAtopointB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted July 19, 2019 Share #53 Posted July 19, 2019 37 minutes ago, late said: Just be aware that anything over 200hp can overwhelm the steering. ? Mine has 320, it's all wheel drive. It feels glued to the road at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted July 19, 2019 Share #54 Posted July 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: ? Mine has 320, it's all wheel drive. It feels glued to the road at all times. We assume you are not talking about your Civic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted July 19, 2019 Share #55 Posted July 19, 2019 41 minutes ago, late said: Just be aware that anything over 200hp can overwhelm the steering. That's why the put a throttle lever in there for your foot to adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted July 19, 2019 Share #56 Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, Kzoo said: We assume you are not talking about your Civic. You assume correctly. Sorry, I will gracefully bow out of this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted July 19, 2019 Share #57 Posted July 19, 2019 that, and the camaro is butt-ugly. the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted July 19, 2019 Share #58 Posted July 19, 2019 4 hours ago, jsharr said: I drove a new Camaro once. ONCE. That was one time to many. Impossible to tell where the front of the car is, almost to the point of being dangerous. I drove a Camaro SS rental in Spokane last year. I didn't have any problems driving it, but I got tired of the seat belt jabbing me in the kidney every time I slid down into the seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted July 19, 2019 Share #59 Posted July 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: That's why the put a throttle lever in there for your foot to adjust. It's also why most places require insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted July 19, 2019 Share #60 Posted July 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: ? Mine has 320, it's all wheel drive. It feels glued to the road at all times. Front wheel drive, which that is, has limits. Over 200hp and the engine can easily overpower the steering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted July 19, 2019 Share #61 Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, late said: Front wheel drive, which that is, has limits. Over 200hp and the engine can easily overpower the steering. That's why they attach real drivers to the throttle pedal that's there to adjust the demand for power while cornering. Of course there are fools who go out there a do a splat into something just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted July 19, 2019 Share #62 Posted July 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, late said: Front wheel drive, which that is, has limits. Over 200hp and the engine can easily overpower the steering. That's a pretty generalized statement. Tires, center of gravity, suspension, weight distribution ..... have nothing to do with it. Anything over 200 HP can overpower the steering. I wonder if anyone with the last name Ferrari knows this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted July 19, 2019 Share #63 Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Kzoo said: That's a pretty generalized statement. Tires, center of gravity, suspension, weight distribution ..... have nothing to do with it. Anything over 200 HP can overpower the steering. I wonder if anyone with the last name Ferrari knows this? We're talking about cars like the Civic, not 4 wheel drive hypercars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted July 19, 2019 Share #64 Posted July 19, 2019 That's why they attach brains to real drivers who's foot operates the throttle lever that modulates the power while cornering. The Civic Type R currently holds the front-wheel drive lap record at the Nurburgring, which should tell you all you need to know about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted July 19, 2019 Share #65 Posted July 19, 2019 So....about the Vette Looks like a world class car There are several of the '90s vettes in the parking lot at work. The motorheads call em Barbie Vettes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted July 19, 2019 Share #66 Posted July 19, 2019 55 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: That's why they attach brains to real drivers who's foot operates the throttle lever that modulates the power while cornering. You do realise that doesn't refute what I said?? I think the insurance rates for hotheads and their cars tell a somewhat more interesting tale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted July 19, 2019 Share #67 Posted July 19, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted July 19, 2019 Share #68 Posted July 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, late said: You do realise that doesn't refute what I said?? I think the insurance rates for hotheads and their cars tell a somewhat more interesting tale... So which car do you think costs more to insure, the front wheel drive 2019 Honda Civic type R or the rear wheel drive 2019 Corvette? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted July 19, 2019 Share #69 Posted July 19, 2019 Because the Civic Type R is to overpowered to steer one can assume that the insurance rates would be astronomical. Well, here's the industry average for last year. Honda Civic Civic LX - $109 Honda Civic 2 Door Coupe - $111 Honda Civic 4 Door Sedan - $112 Honda Civic EX - $112 Honda Civic 2 Door Coupe - $118 Honda Civic 4 Door Sedan - $121 Honda Civic Type R - $134 - is the highest performance version of the Honda Civic made by Honda Motor Company of Japan! I really would have expected a higher rate for a killer car but you might find that having a speeding ticket in your Civic 2 door coupe will cost you more than just driving a type R with a clean record. One other factor in the R's insurance rate is the initial cost being higher than the others by almost a match to the ratio of sales price. Who'd have thunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groupw Posted July 19, 2019 Share #70 Posted July 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Because the Civic Type R is to overpowered to steer one can assume that the insurance rates would be astronomical. Well, here's the industry average for last year. Honda Civic Civic LX - $109 Honda Civic 2 Door Coupe - $111 Honda Civic 4 Door Sedan - $112 Honda Civic EX - $112 Honda Civic 2 Door Coupe - $118 Honda Civic 4 Door Sedan - $121 Honda Civic Type R - $134 - is the highest performance version of the Honda Civic made by Honda Motor Company of Japan! I really would have expected a higher rate for a killer car but you might find that having a speeding ticket in your Civic 2 door coupe will cost you more than just driving a type R with a clean record. One other factor in the R's insurance rate is the initial cost being higher than the others by almost a match to the ratio of sales price. Who'd have thunk. Some of the safety is offset by which cars are stolen more often. More to be made from body parts on vanilla cars than the rare ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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