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1 minute ago, BuffJim said:

Today than my last Dr. Appt in May. Keto works. But it’s hard. Cheated a lot on my two trips the past week. Have 7 more trips planned before end of year. 

Almost all diets work and are hard. Gotta stick with a diet.  But good to hear!

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20 minutes ago, wilbur said:

You are either in ketosis or you are not so try to avoid too much cheating.  Once out of ketosis, weight packs on in a hurry.   Good job but get back on it!  

I think I can lose weight on low carb, whether or not I’m in Ketosis. I’m really not sure if I am or not. 

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High protein diets are proven to increase protein synthesis within cells. This causes faulty proteins within cells which have been proven to increase numerous health risks and shorten lifespan.   

High protein diets also cause the same insulin spike that higher carb diets cause which limit weight loss. A detrimental effect for diabetics. 

High protein diets can greatly reduce the efficiency of the kidneys which leads to chronic kidney disease. 

Anyone with kidney disease is on a very restrictive diet almost eliminating proteins. 

Fat gets blamed for a lot of health issues in a blanket statement.  It is like saying fire is bad.  Depends where it is and what you are doing with it.  It can be bad but can be very good. Plant and fish based oils are very good for you and enhances brain function. Fat is essential to the human body as is protein.  Carbs are not.  If you are not eating carbs, you better be on vitamin and mineral supplements as well as fibre supplements. 

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55 minutes ago, Longjohn said:

I thought of you and RG when I saw this.

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Anyone who has taken numerical analysis knows that the difference between two very similar numbers is fraught with error.  That was one of the most practical courses I took in college, and that is aboot all I took away from it!

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16 hours ago, BuffJim said:

I haven't heard anyone touting low protein diets.  Low fat can work as can low carb.  For a type 2 like me, low carb has the added benefit of dropping blood sugar into very good ranges.

I can tell you three things for certain just from your photos,

1.  You have metabolic syndrome, also known as metabolic disease.

2. You have NA Fatty Liver Disease and Insulin resistance. 

3. You are in some phase of diabetes. 

This is just a body type and size given.  So, reduced junk carbs is a must.  Reduced meat protein is a must. The effects of all 3 statements above can be treated through diet.  Not how much you eat, how often you eat.  If you see a nephrologist and they don't mention intermittent fasting, find a different one.  Intermittent fasting will eliminate fatty liver and normalize blood sugar and the insulin response.  Get this in order and I can guarantee you, respiratory inflammation will decrease as well. 

I am happy about the 18 pounds, that is awesome.  That meal you had with LJ though, loaded with carbs. As was the beer.  Beer is tough to give up so if you imbibe, just neutralize the effect like RG and I did at our meet-up.  Chase it with Sangria, wine and hard alcohol.  It doesn't lessen the effect of the carbs, it just kills your guilt! :) 

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3 minutes ago, wilbur said:

I can tell you three things for certain just from your photos,

1.  You have metabolic syndrome, also known as metabolic disease.

2. You have NA Fatty Liver Disease and Insulin resistance. 

3. You are in some phase of diabetes. 

This is just a body type and size given.  So, reduced junk carbs is a must.  Reduced meat protein is a must. The effects of all 3 statements above can be treated through diet.  Not how much you eat, how often you eat.  If you see a nephrologist and they don't mention intermittent fasting, find a different one.  Intermittent fasting will eliminate fatty liver and normalize blood sugar and the insulin response.  Get this in order and I can guarantee you, respiratory inflammation will decrease as well. 

I am happy about the 18 pounds, that is awesome.  That meal you had with LJ though, loaded with carbs. As was the beer.  Beer is tough to give up so if you imbibe, just neutralize the effect like RG and I did at our meet-up.  Chase it with Sangria, wine and hard alcohol.  It doesn't lessen the effect of the carbs, it just kills your guilt! :) 

Are you going for the Dilbert's Mother award?  :D

Good idea aboot drinking heavily to obliterate the guilt from drinking beer!

 

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16 minutes ago, wilbur said:

I can tell you three things for certain just from your photos,

1.  You have metabolic syndrome, also known as metabolic disease.

2. You have NA Fatty Liver Disease and Insulin resistance. 

3. You are in some phase of diabetes. 

This is just a body type and size given.  So, reduced junk carbs is a must.  Reduced meat protein is a must. The effects of all 3 statements above can be treated through diet.  Not how much you eat, how often you eat.  If you see a nephrologist and they don't mention intermittent fasting, find a different one.  Intermittent fasting will eliminate fatty liver and normalize blood sugar and the insulin response.  Get this in order and I can guarantee you, respiratory inflammation will decrease as well. 

I am happy about the 18 pounds, that is awesome.  That meal you had with LJ though, loaded with carbs. As was the beer.  Beer is tough to give up so if you imbibe, just neutralize the effect like RG and I did at our meet-up.  Chase it with Sangria, wine and hard alcohol.  It doesn't lessen the effect of the carbs, it just kills your guilt! :) 

Be careful what assumptions you make. 

Salsa no chips, and fajitas no tortillas. No carbs. I did have some refried beans and beer. I sometimes go off plan when traveling. 

Have had my liver tested many times. No mention of fatty liver disease. 

I do have Type 2 as I’ve said many times. Keto brings my readings down drastically. 

Not all overweight people have type 2. There is a genetic component that must be in place. 

Not all type 2s are overweight. 

Nothing against IF. I may experiment with it. 

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I am intermittent fasting right now-no breakfast yet.  My stomach is snot a fan!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4942870/

The link above looks like a good summary.  It looked like the most understandable of Wikipedia’s first 5 references on IF.  Interesting that not much is really made of the  statement that cancer risk is a lot higher in overweight people. There is just no upside in being overweight it seems, unless maybe you get stranded in a desert isle or more likely go too broke to eat. 

So this is a quandary.  I really need to give up the calories.  Snot easy!  I already eat very small dinner portions of the traditional stuff and eat veggies for the other half to fill me up,  but my weight refuses to budge.  My weight thermostat is very strong!  

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21 minutes ago, BuffJim said:

Be careful what assumptions you make. 

Salsa no chips, and fajitas no tortillas. No carbs. I did have some refried beans and beer. I sometimes go off plan when traveling. 

Have had my liver tested many times. No mention of fatty liver disease. 

I do have Type 2 as I’ve said many times. Keto brings my readings down drastically. 

Not all overweight people have type 2. There is a genetic component that must be in place. 

Not all type 2s are overweight. 

Nothing against IF. I may experiment with it. 

Hey Jim...some slim people of Asian descent develop diabetes 2. Hard to know why unless a physician and registered dietician sat down with patient over a long period.

I did have a reading of near diabetes 2 about a decade ago.  So I just got bored...of eating white rice often. So I absentmindedly pulled away from eating white rice ..petered off to 2-3 times per month.  I actually haven't stocked rice at home for same time.  No, I don't eat brown rice.  I just am careful the type of pastas I buy for home...  However my problem is cutting down sweets which actually increased after understanding over the years..of being with dearie's understanding of fine gourmet baking.

So you're right... on making assumptions.

I'm not on a particular "diet"..I've never been.  It's more about decreasing intake of certain foods and decreasing overall volume daily.

 

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34 minutes ago, BuffJim said:
7 minutes ago, shootingstar said:

Hey Jim...some slim people of Asian descent develop diabetes 2. 

Not all overweight people have type 2. There is a genetic component that must be in place. 

Not all type 2s are overweight. 

I wish I had a picture of my oldest sister to show you.   She looks like a slim, fit & healthy older woman but has been type 2 for 30 years.  I was 40, fit and on my way to diabetes.. I remember when I was first diagnosed and going to the nutrition classes I was the youngest and thinnest person in the room.

There is a genetic component to type 2 diabetes to factor in.  The good thing is to keep fighting the fight tho. I have seen too many diabetics, including other siblings give up and eat what they want and just adjust with insulin.

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10 minutes ago, ChrisL said:

I wish I had a picture of my oldest sister to show you.   She looks like a slim, fit & healthy older woman but has been type 2 for 30 years.  I was 40, fit and on my way to diabetes.. I remember when I was first diagnosed and going to the nutrition classes I was the youngest and thinnest person in the room.

There is a genetic component to type 2 diabetes to factor in.  The good thing is to keep fighting the fight tho. I have seen too many diabetics, including other siblings give up and eat what they want and just adjust with insulin.

Yup.  I was shocked to learn of a Chinese-Canadian guy who is slim, around 5 inches taller than I.  He was only in his early 30's, when he was told his triglycerides was too high and diabetes 2.  He would have been born in Canada...therefore exposed to Western diet but probably very similar to me...childhood upbringing on primarily an Asian diet.

I will add that there are certain Asian style diets that probably abit better than others. 

My father ate a full bowl of white rice for dinner 80% of time.  He was only 110 lbs. @ 5'3".  He never got diabetes 2.  He died @85 yrs...of prostate cancer...which has nothing to do with diet.

I will stress very much that home style Asian based cooked is faaaaaaar healthier than what one sees in restaurants.  I actually eat sometimes in Asian restaurants....as a treat because that's not how I cook a lot or never cook many of those dishes.

 

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1 minute ago, shootingstar said:

Yup.  I was shocked to learn of a Chinese-Canadian guy who is slim, around 5 inches taller than I.  He was only in his early 30's, when he was told his triglycerides was too high and diabetes 2.  He would have been born in Canada...therefore exposed to Western diet but probably very similar to me...childhood upbringing on primarily an Asian diet.

 

Yeah it hits Pacific Islander lslanders hard too.  Several of my aunts had it, my mom and 6 of 9 siblings.  I’m gonna say something other than poor diet is at play here...

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1 hour ago, BuffJim said:

Be careful what assumptions you make. 

Salsa no chips, and fajitas no tortillas. No carbs. I did have some refried beans and beer. I sometimes go off plan when traveling. 

Have had my liver tested many times. No mention of fatty liver disease. 

I do have Type 2 as I’ve said many times. Keto brings my readings down drastically. 

Not all overweight people have type 2. There is a genetic component that must be in place. 

Not all type 2s are overweight. 

Nothing against IF. I may experiment with it. 

Testing needs imaging like ultrasound. 

I don't pay attention to everyone here's stats. Sorry.  Even though there are only like 8, 7, 6 people posting here.

It depends on body type.  All people with visceral fat have insulin resistance.  A medical fact.  Thus, if not type 2, on their way to it. 

There are genetically predisposed people other than those with visceral fat.  My wife is one of those, as was her father and grandfather etc. 

I will go back to minding my own business well. Good luck with the weight loss. 

 

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1 minute ago, wilbur said:

Testing needs imaging like ultrasound. 

I don't pay attention to everyone here's stats. Sorry.  Even though there are only like 8, 7, 6 people posting here.

It depends on body type.  All people with visceral fat have insulin resistance.  A medical fact.  Thus, if not type 2, on their way to it. 

There are genetically predisposed people other than those with visceral fat.  My wife is one of those, as was her father and grandfather etc. 

I will go back to minding my own business well. Good luck with the weight loss. 

 

I think there are merits to your points but they are a bit radical and some findings are not consistent with other medical practitioners who treat diabetes.   Not saying it’s wrong, just a different approach so you can understand some resistance.

I think any significant weight loss takes a level of commitment and sacrifice that many can’t or won’t sustain regardless of the health impacts.  At the end of the day caloric deficit is what really matters but there are many ways to go about it.

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You people need to do some research.  Not YT research, real medical studies.   Not many GP's know shit-all about diet and nutrition.  Read scientific papers, current ones, not those from 20 years ago. The diabetic cookbook of old is nonsense so government funded organizations publish rubbish.  The food guide is a complete joke, even with it's recent rewrite. 

Trust me, my journey of the past three years has led to a lot of acquired knowledge on the topic.  Don't listen to me though because I don't give a shit about followers.  I do care that you educate yourself, at least to the extent that you care. 

So, I am out!

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2 minutes ago, wilbur said:

You people need to do some research.  Not YT research, real medical studies.   Not many GP's know shit-all about diet and nutrition.  Read scientific papers, current ones, not those from 20 years ago. The diabetic cookbook of old is nonsense so government funded organizations publish rubbish.  The food guide is a complete joke, even with it's recent rewrite

A lot that's true.  A GP is really not ever the best resource for any real in-depth information on most diseases, conditions, or nutrition.  They're now more a gatekeeper to the specialists.

There are certainly legitimate genetic predispositions to all sorts of health conditions, and many folks hit the jackpot or get royally screwed due to nothing they really do or did.  On the flip side, proactive lifestyle decisions really help keep a LOT of mid-life health conditions in check or never an issue.

Few people can go wrong eating whole foods in moderation and having an active lifestyle.  Sure allergies and sensitivities can play into the range of options, but keeping food simple and being active enough to keep your body working its best is really a pretty straight game plan.

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All people with visceral fat have insulin resistance.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4038351/

Commentary: I agree that da gubment has spread plenty of misinformation aboot nutrition, but I would hope that the NIH is somewhat accurate.

Hmm - I think I need to walk the dawg and go for a bike ride!

 

CONCLUSION

Work to elucidate the mechanisms underlying the relationship between obesity and insulin resistance in humans continues to support the concept that visceral obesity, but not subcutaneous, results in insulin resistance and increased risk of T2DM. The mechanisms by which visceral obesity results in insulin resistance appear to be related to excess lipid accumulation in liver. This may be due to excess fatty acids from visceral adipose tissue draining into the portal vein. Excess lipid accumulation may result in impaired insulin signaling through cell autonomous mechanisms, or through the induction of inflammation and the subsequent production of inflammatory cytokines by macrophages, which impair insulin action. Storage of excess fat in subcutaneous depots mitigates the risk of insulin resistance and T2DM, possibly by preventing accumulation of fat in visceral adipose tissue, liver, and skeletal muscle. Thus, the mechanisms that determine the size and expandability of subcutaneous adipose tissue depots, such as the control of extracellular matrix and capillary expansion, may be important targets for future therapy.

KEY POINTS

  • Visceral adipose tissue increases, and subcutaneous adipose tissue decreases the risk of insulin resistance and T2DM in humans.

  • Visceral adiposity correlates with excess lipid accumulation in liver.

  • Excess accumulation of lipid may cause insulin resistance through cell autonomous mechanisms, and through the induction of inflammation, and the consequent production of inflammatory cytokines.

  • Failure to expand subcutaneous adipose tissue in parallel with chronic excess calorie consumption may result from impaired expandability of its extracellular matrix and capillary network, and result in ectopic lipid accumulation.

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9 minutes ago, roadsue said:

My kidneys have come up concerning on the last three annual physicals I’ve had. They’re not filtering at optimal levels. Low carb and high protein WOE for years to thank for that?

Like every organ, they diminish in capability with time so unless your MD has flagged it and sent you for further testing, she/he is ok with the results.  I would be concerned if kidney disease ran in your family.  I have a 60 year old sister who has 50% efficiency of kidneys and she is not being treated yet, nor does she care, unfortunately.    My mother just went on dialysis at 8% at the age of 83.   She has been monitored for the past 20 years and changed her diet to zero potassium, sodium, etc per day and 2 oz of protein from all sources.  Cucumber sandwiches with non-salted butter became her friend. 

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24 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4038351/

Commentary: I agree that da gubment has spread plenty of misinformation aboot nutrition, but I would hope that the NIH is somewhat accurate.

Hmm - I think I need to walk the dawg and go for a bike ride!

 

CONCLUSION

Work to elucidate the mechanisms underlying the relationship between obesity and insulin resistance in humans continues to support the concept that visceral obesity, but not subcutaneous, results in insulin resistance and increased risk of T2DM. The mechanisms by which visceral obesity results in insulin resistance appear to be related to excess lipid accumulation in liver. This may be due to excess fatty acids from visceral adipose tissue draining into the portal vein. Excess lipid accumulation may result in impaired insulin signaling through cell autonomous mechanisms, or through the induction of inflammation and the subsequent production of inflammatory cytokines by macrophages, which impair insulin action. Storage of excess fat in subcutaneous depots mitigates the risk of insulin resistance and T2DM, possibly by preventing accumulation of fat in visceral adipose tissue, liver, and skeletal muscle. Thus, the mechanisms that determine the size and expandability of subcutaneous adipose tissue depots, such as the control of extracellular matrix and capillary expansion, may be important targets for future therapy.

KEY POINTS

  • Visceral adipose tissue increases, and subcutaneous adipose tissue decreases the risk of insulin resistance and T2DM in humans.

  • Visceral adiposity correlates with excess lipid accumulation in liver.

  • Excess accumulation of lipid may cause insulin resistance through cell autonomous mechanisms, and through the induction of inflammation, and the consequent production of inflammatory cytokines.

  • Failure to expand subcutaneous adipose tissue in parallel with chronic excess calorie consumption may result from impaired expandability of its extracellular matrix and capillary network, and result in ectopic lipid accumulation.

Can you dumb this down for us knuckle dragging mouth breathers?  I got tired of googling definitions while reading it and gave up. 

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12 minutes ago, wilbur said:

Like every organ, they diminish in capability with time so unless your MD has flagged it and sent you for further testing, she/he is ok with the results.  I would be concerned if kidney disease ran in your family.  I have a 60 year old sister who has 50% efficiency of kidneys and she is not being treated yet, nor does she care, unfortunately.    My mother just went on dialysis at 8% at the age of 83.   She has been monitored for the past 20 years and changed her diet to zero potassium, sodium, etc per day and 2 oz of protein from all sources.  Cucumber sandwiches with non-salted butter became her friend. 

Hey glad you are not “out”!  Just because some of us are a bit slow doesn’t mean we don’t appreciate the info!

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8 minutes ago, ChrisL said:

Hey glad you are not “out”!  Just because some of us are a bit slow doesn’t mean we don’t appreciate the info!

Not getting the "fun" aspect out of the forum these days so I may just join AWWC, RR, Dottie and Thaddius.  You can only have so many people on ignore before it becomes pointless. 

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3 hours ago, wilbur said:

Not getting the "fun" aspect out of the forum these days so I may just join AWWC, RR, Dottie and Thaddius.  You can only have so many people on ignore before it becomes pointless. 

Buy the style of panties that resists wadding. Or bunching. Not sure what it’s called in your region. 

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5 hours ago, wilbur said:

You people need to do some research.  Not YT research, real medical studies.   Not many GP's know shit-all about diet and nutrition.  Read scientific papers, current ones, not those from 20 years ago. The diabetic cookbook of old is nonsense so government funded organizations publish rubbish.  The food guide is a complete joke, even with it's recent rewrite. 

Trust me, my journey of the past three years has led to a lot of acquired knowledge on the topic.  Don't listen to me though because I don't give a shit about followers.  I do care that you educate yourself, at least to the extent that you care. 

So, I am out!

Be careful, Wilbur.  Some physicians make a real effort to learn.  My doctor-sister lost 50 lbs. herself after changing her food choices, etc. and jogging.  Then she regained abit because of 2 pregnancies  (I genuinely believe women who have been pregnant generally have a much more challenging time than men, in terms of weight control because of various biological processes in a woman's lifetime.)  She did have close to gestational diabetes.  

 I owe my sisters as physician and another as a pharmacist for combined free professional knowledge to compare after getting my own doctor's opinion.  The amount of new medical information and latest drug information they have to absorb and remember is incredible.  For their entire....career, several decades.  Unlike most of us, they can interpret some basic stuff that most of us ...can't.  They can hard-ass question experts and specialists in ways, many of us, can't.

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1 minute ago, shootingstar said:

Be careful, Wilbur.  Some physicians make a real effort to learn.  My doctor-sister lost 50 lbs. herself after changing her food choices, etc. and jogging.  Then she regained abit because of 2 pregnancies  (I genuinely believe women who have been pregnant generally have a much more challenging time than men, in terms of weight control because of various biological processes in a woman's lifetime.)  She did have close to gestational diabetes.  

 I owe my sisters as physician and another as a pharmacist for combined free knowledge to compare after getting my own doctor's opinion.  The amount of new medical information and drug information they have to absorb and remember is incredible.  For their entire....career, several decades.

Then she knows that gestational diabetes pretty much guarantees type 2 later in life.  Good for her keeping the weight off.  My wife had gestational as well and kept the weight off. She also developed type 2. 

What am I to be careful of?  The fact that doctors are notoriously bad at nutrition?  It isn't a big topic at med school.  Not unless they specialize in something related. Good if your sis does extra studies.  I am a health care skeptic and have seen a lot of bad medicine and received a lot of bad medical advice.  They are after all, just people.  They make mistakes and have shortfalls.  Oh, and half that graduate, are below average.  :) 

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5 hours ago, Razors Edge said:

Few people can go wrong eating whole foods in moderation and having an active lifestyle.  Sure allergies and sensitivities can play into the range of options, but keeping food simple and being active enough to keep your body working its best is really a pretty straight game plan.

The healthier people who I know and who have lived beyond 80, eat/prepare whole foods, balanced meals, and have had an active lifestyle in past few decades of their life.

I would interpret "keeping food simple" as food that has been bought in its unprocessed state...before it was cut up/cooked with spices, etc.

When I was in Japan last year, for those who appeared to me....as local workers speaking Japanese, they were not at fat/chubby in the frequency we see just sitting at a shopping mall here and watching people. 

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5 minutes ago, wilbur said:

Then she knows that gestational diabetes pretty much guarantees type 2 later in life.  Good for her keeping the weight off.  My wife had gestational as well and kept the weight off. She also developed type 2. 

What am I to be careful of?  The fact that doctors are notoriously bad at nutrition?  It isn't a big topic at med school.  Not unless they specialize in something related. Good if your sis does extra studies.  I am a health care skeptic and have seen a lot of bad medicine and received a lot of bad medical advice.  They are after all, just people.  They make mistakes and have shortfalls.  Oh, and half that graduate, are below average.  :) 

Clearly you didn't succeed or lay the blame on other doctors in past.  

Sure they are just people.  

Just don't become like Trump....dissing all expert opinions.  

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1 minute ago, shootingstar said:

Clearly you didn't succeed or lay the blame on other doctors in past.  

Sure they are just people.

Just don't become like Trump....dissing all expert opinions.  

I dis the ones I deem worthy of dissing.  All experts are not the same.  I am well read enough about medicine when a doctor is obviously lacking. I am no Trump but I will also say he makes mistakes often but has quite a few strokes of brilliance as well.  He played our PM like a fiddle on trade with China. 

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57 minutes ago, wilbur said:

I dis the ones I deem worthy of dissing.  All experts are not the same.  I am well read enough about medicine when a doctor is obviously lacking.

Wilbur, all due respect....I would drag in my sister-doctor to advocate for me as a patient and ask the hard-ass questions of medical experts since they would be talking amongst themselves about conditions, human anatomy and physiology ...I would not ask someone else who claimed something but couldn't interpret some of the medical nor drug therapy info. or even understand the basic medical terminology to question experts..unless I grill the doctor, which I have done in a friendly way.  (Too many people sit back and not know how/what to ask the doctor. Or they aren't thinking of the good questions fast enough.)

Sure eating and food intake is a huge amount of common sense for a balanced meal, genetics..and sadly mysterious chemicals in cattle/pig food...which might be causing unknown problems for some people.  Or the microplastics in the oceans ...that get in the fish....which we end up eating,etc.  I think some people genuinely try hard to control their food intake, do all sorts of exercise, yet have serious challenges losing weight.

As for Trump: watch it.   It's dangerous...he's just a rich old white guy afraid of change...unless it's his way. Sorry to bring in the race angle, but he has repeatedly said a lot of damaging stuff during his presidency.  Just shows he doesn't even give a shit.

 

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17 minutes ago, shootingstar said:

Wilbur, all due respect....I would drag in my sister-doctor to advocate for me as a patient and ask the hard-ass questions of medical experts since they would be talking amongst themselves about conditions, human anatomy and physiology ...I would not ask someone else who claimed something but couldn't interpret some of the medical nor drug therapy info. or even understand the basic medical terminology to question experts..unless I grill the doctor, which I have done in a friendly way.  (Too many people sit back and not know how/what to ask the doctor. Or they aren't thinking of the good questions fast enough.)

Sure eating and food intake is a huge amount of common sense for a balanced meal, genetics..and sadly mysterious chemicals in cattle/pig food...which might be causing unknown problems for some people.  Or the microplastics in the oceans ...that get in the fish....which we end up eating,etc.  I think some people genuinely try hard to control their food intake, do all sorts of exercise, yet have serious challenges losing weight.

As for Trump: watch it.   It's dangerous...he's just a rich old white guy afraid of change...unless it's his way. Sorry to bring in the race angle, but he has repeatedly said a lot of damaging stuff during his presidency.  Just shows he doesn't even give a shit.

 

Racism goes in all directions. No place for it here. 

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