Dottleshead ★ Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share #351 Posted November 21, 2019 Watch it, Cracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Karen_Cooper_Incident Posted November 21, 2019 Share #352 Posted November 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dottie said: Watch it, Cracker EEEKKKK! Watch it boy, or I will hit you over the head with my orange bike helmet. Mudkipz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share #353 Posted November 21, 2019 Looks like Garrett is bummin' and Pouncey gets a small break. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28131395/myles-garrett-indefinite-ban-upheld-maurkice-pouncey-now-suspended-2-games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted November 21, 2019 Share #354 Posted November 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, Dottie said: Looks like Garrett is bummin' and Pouncey gets a small break. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28131395/myles-garrett-indefinite-ban-upheld-maurkice-pouncey-now-suspended-2-games I called that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share #355 Posted November 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Kzoo said: I called that. The Pouncey thing was probably the easiest. As for Garrett probably the second easiest. Still, I give you some credit for your seer abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted November 21, 2019 Share #356 Posted November 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Dottie said: Watch it, Cracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ltdskilz Posted November 22, 2019 Share #357 Posted November 22, 2019 NFL says it "could not find any evidence of Rudolph using a racial slur." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share #358 Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Ltdskilz said: NFL says it "could not find any evidence of Rudolph using a racial slur." I totally agree with you. All those insults are trite. I'm sure he has been called lots of stuff in his lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted November 23, 2019 Share #359 Posted November 23, 2019 If Rudolph had used a racial slur, Garrett wouldn’t have waited a week before making mention of it. And Garrett’s team mates would have had his back, and Rudolph’s not so much. This screams of someone trying to save his ass and some hundred’s of thousand of dollars in lost salary. Manson should skip the “defamation” and “liable” lawsuits and go to pressuring for criminal assault charges. Wanna play, Garrett? We can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share #360 Posted November 23, 2019 Garrett has been saying all the right things. This wasn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted November 23, 2019 Share #361 Posted November 23, 2019 It seems there is a history here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share #362 Posted November 23, 2019 Why does the ref have his hand on his butt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted November 23, 2019 Share #363 Posted November 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Dottie said: Why does the ref have his hand on his butt? Because he CAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share #364 Posted November 23, 2019 Just one more day when we can actually start talking about the Steelers and Browns playing each other again as it happens a week from tomorrow. I predict this thread is not dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted November 23, 2019 Share #365 Posted November 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Dottie said: Just one more day when we can actually start talking about the Steelers and Browns playing each other again as it happens a week from tomorrow. I predict this thread is not dead. It's better than @Square Wheels Eddie and the Cruisers thread by a mile! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share #366 Posted November 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: It's better than @Square Wheels Eddie and the Cruisers thread by a mile! Wheels has a dark side?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 23, 2019 Share #367 Posted November 23, 2019 13 hours ago, dennis said: It seems there is a history here. Ha, that is a nice one! So I was at this game: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 23, 2019 Share #368 Posted November 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, Dottie said: Just one more day when we can actually start talking about the Steelers and Browns playing each other again as it happens a week from tomorrow. I predict this thread is not dead. Not even close! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share #369 Posted November 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Not even close! So what are the Vegas odds that some bad shit goes down in that game? Are they going to ensure they keep it clean? Or are we going to see more fights? Because if there's not fights -- there's no reason to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted November 23, 2019 Share #370 Posted November 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Dottie said: So what are the Vegas odds that some bad shit goes down in that game? Are they going to ensure they keep it clean? Or are we going to see more fights? Because if there's not fights -- there's no reason to watch. I think they will call it extremely tight. It may not even resemble football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 23, 2019 Share #371 Posted November 23, 2019 37 minutes ago, Dottie said: So what are the Vegas odds that some bad shit goes down in that game? Are they going to ensure they keep it clean? Or are we going to see more fights? Because if there's not fights -- there's no reason to watch. It used to be a good rivalry before Modell screwed things over for Cleveland. Really physical games, teams didn't like it other, etc. I am fine with that coming back, and I hope Garrett charges out of the stands with a few helmets in each hand and starts cracking Steeler's skulls a bit, just to get that rivalry feeling cemented. Last week was a good game and a fine start. Is it just me, or does it seem stupid to have the same two teams play with such a short interval between games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share #372 Posted November 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Is it just me, or does it seem stupid to have the same two teams play with such a short interval between games? Happens out in the NFC West too. A lot actually. Yeah, it is kind of dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrAzY Posted November 23, 2019 Share #373 Posted November 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Dottie said: So what are the Vegas odds that some bad shit goes down in that game? Are they going to ensure they keep it clean? Or are we going to see more fights? Because if there's not fights -- there's no reason to watch. I'm betting one team uses third stringers as goons. If they don't, then they are stupid... who cares about the third stringers.. let them take the ejection from the game and take someone out from the other team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 23, 2019 Share #374 Posted November 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, KrAzY said: I'm betting one team uses third stringers as goons. If they don't, then they are stupid... who cares about the third stringers.. let them take the ejection from the game and take someone out from the other team. I bet the teams get warned beforehand by the NFL not to respond in kind if Rudolph starts more unwinnable fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 23, 2019 Share #375 Posted November 23, 2019 You know, I think the Garrett helmet swing is not close to being a dirty play at all, there was nothing dirty about it until Rudolph went batshit, with Rudolph doing the dirty bits. That said, I think the Albert Haynesworth or Adam Jones (pacman)/Cooper thing is WAY worse. In fact, it isn't much of a cheap shot considering that stupid (MR) kept coming after Garrett and was looking at him the whole time. It was just an over-escalated reaction to a lunatic repeatedly taking cheap shots at you. I mean, c'mon, you are a chimp coming after a big silverback, what do you expect him to do, send you a hallmark greeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted November 24, 2019 Share #376 Posted November 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Randomguy said: You know, I think the Garrett helmet swing is not close to being a dirty play at all, there was nothing dirty about it until Rudolph went batshit, with Rudolph doing the dirty bits. That said, I think the Albert Haynesworth or Adam Jones (pacman)/Cooper thing is WAY worse. In fact, it isn't much of a cheap shot considering that stupid (MR) kept coming after Garrett and was looking at him the whole time. It was just an over-escalated reaction to a lunatic repeatedly taking cheap shots at you. I mean, c'mon, you are a chimp coming after a big silverback, what do you expect him to do, send you a hallmark greeting? It’s amazing that you’re so wrong, you’re right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted November 24, 2019 Share #377 Posted November 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: It’s amazing that you’re so wrong, you’re right. Troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 24, 2019 Share #378 Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Kzoo said: Troll In this thread, who isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share #379 Posted November 25, 2019 Ok, can we get talking about the Browns and Steelers again? Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share #380 Posted November 25, 2019 Sheldon Richardson wants a piece of his ass. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/11/sheldon-richardson-hopes-mason-rudolph-is-reinstated-for-the-rematch-sunday-did-you-see-him-last-game.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 25, 2019 Share #381 Posted November 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Dottie said: Sheldon Richardson wants a piece of his ass. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/11/sheldon-richardson-hopes-mason-rudolph-is-reinstated-for-the-rematch-sunday-did-you-see-him-last-game.html I guess it didn’t go so well for him today, either. I also hope he plays next Sunday, and hope it is the same kind of game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share #382 Posted November 28, 2019 Well, a lot of the excitement has been removed for this Sunday's game. Rudolph got benched. I wonder if there was any pressure coming down from the league to sit him this game? Meh. Probably not. He was not playing well. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28179067/steelers-quarterback-devlin-hodges-anything-lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Karen_Cooper_Incident Posted November 28, 2019 Share #383 Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Dottie said: Rudolph I'm pretty sure they benched him for his racist remark towards Myles. I wish they would let him play. He was pretty awful the last time the Browns played against him. Mudkipz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 28, 2019 Share #384 Posted November 28, 2019 Joe ‘Turkey’ Jones understands the Browns vs. Steelers rivalry, and how he’s now connected to Myles Garrett Updated 2:16 PM;Today 5:30 AM Browns defensive end Joe "Turkey" Jones sacks Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw during a 1976 game at Municipal Stadium in Cleveland. Bradshaw was injured on the play, and Jones was penalized for unnecessary roughness. (George Heinz, The Plain Dealer) 0 shares By Scott Patsko, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio – When you’re Joe “Turkey” Jones, you don’t need to keep track of when the Browns and Steelers play. You just wait for your phone to start ringing. Friends. Family. Former teammates. They’ll call. They always call. “Always,” Jones said with a laugh. “It’s the play. Oh yeah.” Jones retired from football four decades ago, then spent 30 years at American Airlines, and now, at age 71, enjoys his life as a grandfather in Florida. Through it all, the play has lived on as a symbol of the Browns-Steelers rivalry. We’re talking, of course, about the fourth-quarter play in Week 5 of the 1976 season. Jones, a 6-foot-6, 250-pound Browns defensive end, corralled Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw with a bear hug, then picked him off the ground and sent him head-first into the turf at Municipal Stadium. If you missed it back then, you’ve surely seen it since. It’s hard to escape when the broadcast of a Browns-Steelers game wants to lean into the rivalry angle. Fox showed it before the Browns and Steelers met in Cleveland two weeks ago. Browns defensive end Joe "Turkey" Jones sacks Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw during a 1976 game in Cleveland. And before that game was over, we had bookends of sorts for conflict between a Browns defensive end and the head of a Steelers quarterback. At one end, Turkey Jones and Terry Bradshaw. At the other end, Myles Garrett and Mason Rudolph. The connection between 2019 and 1976 was easy to make. “I understand how, with the rivalry, how it would all feed back to me,” Jones said. “That particular rivalry has been, and always will be, intense.” Garrett figures to have a more accomplished career than Jones, a second-round draft pick out of Tennessee State who played seven seasons with the Browns between 1970 and 1980, an era before sacks were an official stat. Garrett, the No. 1 overall pick in 2017, already has a Pro Bowl under his belt and owns the second and fifth spots among the Browns’ single-season sack leaders. But Garrett also owns a moment that is overshadowing the positives of his career. Jones knows a thing or two about that, not to mention what it’s like to be vilified in Pittsburgh. There were mixed reactions from players when Jones and Bradshaw “got twisted up,” as Jones often describes it. The play resulted in a 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty on Jones, who was later fined $3,000. (The Browns held on to win the game behind third-string quarterback Dave Mays.) Plain Dealer reporter Chuck Heaton, in his front-page story the next day, described the penalty on the play as “a questionable call.” In the book “Legends by the Lake,” Jerry Sherk noted that “Joe didn’t have a malicious bone in his body. He never cheap-shotted anybody. It was more that Joe did not know his own strength.” Talking to reporters after the game, Steelers center Mike Webster didn’t have a problem with it. “I saw Turkey drop him on his head,” Webster said. “Turkey made a helluva play. I can’t fault the guy.” Steelers running back Franco Harris, meanwhile, said it was “uncalled for.” Steelers linebacker Jack Lambert had the strongest words for Jones: “I hope somebody breaks his neck,” he said. Bradshaw was carted off the field after the play. Jones went to see him after the game, but was confronted by Bradshaw’s wife. “She had some choice words for me,” Jones recalled. “And she had these two big goons with her. But I spoke to Bradshaw when he was on the table. He said, ‘Hey man, I understand. It’s part of the game.’” Bradshaw suffered a spinal contusion on the play. He has said he had no feeling in his body for two days after the hit. He was back playing with the Steelers three weeks later. AP Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw is strapped to a stretcher after being hit by Joe Jones of the Browns during the fourth quarter of a 1976 game in Cleveland. (AP Photo/G. Paul Burnett) Just like he did after the game, Jones says today that he had no malice toward Bradshaw. “Playing professional football is an honor,” Jones said. “There’s a line that you don’t cross as far as trying to hurt anybody. In professional football that’s a no-no. You don’t go out there trying to intentionally hurt anybody. The emotions are high and you just do your job.” Jones has no doubt he would’ve faced a suspension for such a play in today’s NFL. “In a heartbeat,” he said. Rules aren’t the only things that have changed since 1976. Instantly available highlights and social media outrage, two things that helped Garrett’s incident becoming national news, weren’t yet part of life. But there was still a backlash. Jones got plenty of strongly worded hate mail. “I have a few letters left that I haven’t shared with the public, and I never will,” he said with a chuckle. When the Browns traveled to Pittsburgh in 1977, more than a year after the incident, Jones didn’t stay in the same hotel with the rest of the Browns. “It wasn’t something I thought about, like, ‘Gosh, here we go, we’re going to Pittsburgh. I’ve got to have security guards and all that stuff,’” Jones said. “I didn’t ask any questions, I just followed what they told me to do. They put me up in a separate hotel with a bodyguard and security people. I understood, but I wasn’t mature enough to really, really understand (the gravity of it).” Jones didn’t get the sense any of the Steelers were looking for payback. Looking back now, he thinks media and fan reaction was louder than that of the players. How the Steelers react in Garrett’s next game against Pittsburgh will be a major storyline in 2020. Garrett has accused Rudolph of using a racial slur during the melee, which also included Steelers center Maurkice Pouncey throwing punches and kicking at Garrett. Based on people he has talked with, Jones believes Garrett “is a great kid, but this is a learning situation for him. You take your punishment, then get on back to business.” The helmet swing, though, is sure to join the Browns-Steelers rivalry video montage. The key for Garrett is to make sure it’s not his legacy. One play in 1976 has remained Jones’ football legacy. And it seems like he has come to terms with that. He is often asked to sign photos of the play during autograph events. And, more than once, he’s been asked to sign the photo so a Cleveland fan can send it to a relative in Pittsburgh. “Just to mess with their relatives,” Jones said. “It’s part of the legacy. Wherever I go it’s been great. I’m happy to sign the autographs and the picture of that particular play,” Jones said. “It’s something that a lot of people identify me with. Jones said he has golfed in Super Bowl events with Harris. He crossed paths with Lambert at a football game after both were retired and got a playful shoulder bump from the former linebacker. Jones has also played golf with Bradshaw’s brother, Craig, who has talked of getting Jones together with Terry for an autograph session. It hasn’t happened yet. In fact, Jones said he hasn’t talked with Bradshaw since he retired. Jones said he and his wife were flown out to California years ago so Jones could participate in a Jimmy Kimmel skit. At the time, Kimmel made NFL predictions each week for Fox’s NFL pregame show, which features Bradshaw. Jones’ skit also included William “The Refrigerator” Perry, and was slated to appear on Thanksgiving. Jones didn’t see Bradshaw at the shoot, but said he made an effort to get word to him. “Just to say, ‘Hey, let’s get together.’ Just to sit and talk with him, and maybe have a barbecue and everything,” said Jones. “I’m still waiting." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Karen_Cooper_Incident Posted November 28, 2019 Share #385 Posted November 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Joe ‘Turkey’ Jones understands the Browns vs. Steelers rivalry, and how he’s now connected to Myles Garrett Updated 2:16 PM;Today 5:30 AM Browns defensive end Joe "Turkey" Jones sacks Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw during a 1976 game at Municipal Stadium in Cleveland. Bradshaw was injured on the play, and Jones was penalized for unnecessary roughness. (George Heinz, The Plain Dealer) 0 shares By Scott Patsko, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio – When you’re Joe “Turkey” Jones, you don’t need to keep track of when the Browns and Steelers play. You just wait for your phone to start ringing. Friends. Family. Former teammates. They’ll call. They always call. “Always,” Jones said with a laugh. “It’s the play. Oh yeah.” Jones retired from football four decades ago, then spent 30 years at American Airlines, and now, at age 71, enjoys his life as a grandfather in Florida. Through it all, the play has lived on as a symbol of the Browns-Steelers rivalry. We’re talking, of course, about the fourth-quarter play in Week 5 of the 1976 season. Jones, a 6-foot-6, 250-pound Browns defensive end, corralled Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw with a bear hug, then picked him off the ground and sent him head-first into the turf at Municipal Stadium. If you missed it back then, you’ve surely seen it since. It’s hard to escape when the broadcast of a Browns-Steelers game wants to lean into the rivalry angle. Fox showed it before the Browns and Steelers met in Cleveland two weeks ago. Browns defensive end Joe "Turkey" Jones sacks Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw during a 1976 game in Cleveland. And before that game was over, we had bookends of sorts for conflict between a Browns defensive end and the head of a Steelers quarterback. At one end, Turkey Jones and Terry Bradshaw. At the other end, Myles Garrett and Mason Rudolph. The connection between 2019 and 1976 was easy to make. “I understand how, with the rivalry, how it would all feed back to me,” Jones said. “That particular rivalry has been, and always will be, intense.” Garrett figures to have a more accomplished career than Jones, a second-round draft pick out of Tennessee State who played seven seasons with the Browns between 1970 and 1980, an era before sacks were an official stat. Garrett, the No. 1 overall pick in 2017, already has a Pro Bowl under his belt and owns the second and fifth spots among the Browns’ single-season sack leaders. But Garrett also owns a moment that is overshadowing the positives of his career. Jones knows a thing or two about that, not to mention what it’s like to be vilified in Pittsburgh. There were mixed reactions from players when Jones and Bradshaw “got twisted up,” as Jones often describes it. The play resulted in a 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty on Jones, who was later fined $3,000. (The Browns held on to win the game behind third-string quarterback Dave Mays.) Plain Dealer reporter Chuck Heaton, in his front-page story the next day, described the penalty on the play as “a questionable call.” In the book “Legends by the Lake,” Jerry Sherk noted that “Joe didn’t have a malicious bone in his body. He never cheap-shotted anybody. It was more that Joe did not know his own strength.” Talking to reporters after the game, Steelers center Mike Webster didn’t have a problem with it. “I saw Turkey drop him on his head,” Webster said. “Turkey made a helluva play. I can’t fault the guy.” Steelers running back Franco Harris, meanwhile, said it was “uncalled for.” Steelers linebacker Jack Lambert had the strongest words for Jones: “I hope somebody breaks his neck,” he said. Bradshaw was carted off the field after the play. Jones went to see him after the game, but was confronted by Bradshaw’s wife. “She had some choice words for me,” Jones recalled. “And she had these two big goons with her. But I spoke to Bradshaw when he was on the table. He said, ‘Hey man, I understand. It’s part of the game.’” Bradshaw suffered a spinal contusion on the play. He has said he had no feeling in his body for two days after the hit. He was back playing with the Steelers three weeks later. AP Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw is strapped to a stretcher after being hit by Joe Jones of the Browns during the fourth quarter of a 1976 game in Cleveland. (AP Photo/G. Paul Burnett) Just like he did after the game, Jones says today that he had no malice toward Bradshaw. “Playing professional football is an honor,” Jones said. “There’s a line that you don’t cross as far as trying to hurt anybody. In professional football that’s a no-no. You don’t go out there trying to intentionally hurt anybody. The emotions are high and you just do your job.” Jones has no doubt he would’ve faced a suspension for such a play in today’s NFL. “In a heartbeat,” he said. Rules aren’t the only things that have changed since 1976. Instantly available highlights and social media outrage, two things that helped Garrett’s incident becoming national news, weren’t yet part of life. But there was still a backlash. Jones got plenty of strongly worded hate mail. “I have a few letters left that I haven’t shared with the public, and I never will,” he said with a chuckle. When the Browns traveled to Pittsburgh in 1977, more than a year after the incident, Jones didn’t stay in the same hotel with the rest of the Browns. “It wasn’t something I thought about, like, ‘Gosh, here we go, we’re going to Pittsburgh. I’ve got to have security guards and all that stuff,’” Jones said. “I didn’t ask any questions, I just followed what they told me to do. They put me up in a separate hotel with a bodyguard and security people. I understood, but I wasn’t mature enough to really, really understand (the gravity of it).” Jones didn’t get the sense any of the Steelers were looking for payback. Looking back now, he thinks media and fan reaction was louder than that of the players. How the Steelers react in Garrett’s next game against Pittsburgh will be a major storyline in 2020. Garrett has accused Rudolph of using a racial slur during the melee, which also included Steelers center Maurkice Pouncey throwing punches and kicking at Garrett. Based on people he has talked with, Jones believes Garrett “is a great kid, but this is a learning situation for him. You take your punishment, then get on back to business.” The helmet swing, though, is sure to join the Browns-Steelers rivalry video montage. The key for Garrett is to make sure it’s not his legacy. One play in 1976 has remained Jones’ football legacy. And it seems like he has come to terms with that. He is often asked to sign photos of the play during autograph events. And, more than once, he’s been asked to sign the photo so a Cleveland fan can send it to a relative in Pittsburgh. “Just to mess with their relatives,” Jones said. “It’s part of the legacy. Wherever I go it’s been great. I’m happy to sign the autographs and the picture of that particular play,” Jones said. “It’s something that a lot of people identify me with. Jones said he has golfed in Super Bowl events with Harris. He crossed paths with Lambert at a football game after both were retired and got a playful shoulder bump from the former linebacker. Jones has also played golf with Bradshaw’s brother, Craig, who has talked of getting Jones together with Terry for an autograph session. It hasn’t happened yet. In fact, Jones said he hasn’t talked with Bradshaw since he retired. Jones said he and his wife were flown out to California years ago so Jones could participate in a Jimmy Kimmel skit. At the time, Kimmel made NFL predictions each week for Fox’s NFL pregame show, which features Bradshaw. Jones’ skit also included William “The Refrigerator” Perry, and was slated to appear on Thanksgiving. Jones didn’t see Bradshaw at the shoot, but said he made an effort to get word to him. “Just to say, ‘Hey, let’s get together.’ Just to sit and talk with him, and maybe have a barbecue and everything,” said Jones. “I’m still waiting." That's a lovely story. Mudkipz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 30, 2019 Share #386 Posted November 30, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share #387 Posted November 30, 2019 Ha! https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28194297/browns-coach-freddie-kitchens-seen-wearing-pittsburgh-started-shirt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted December 1, 2019 Share #388 Posted December 1, 2019 The Browns have a lot of talent - even without Garrett, except for the O-line, which they've strangely done nothing to fix. It also seems like they're trying to build the team around a model of what they want the team to be without considering how their player fit into that model. Coaches like Belichick and John Harbaugh and Tomlin go with the flow and let their teams' styles evolve to fit the abilities of their current players. When the Ravens top management met and agreed they draft Lamar Jackson, Harbaugh said, "OK, I'm fine with that and becoming a run-first team, but that means we need to draft big tight ends, have a strong, downhill runner to keep defenders guarding the middle, and beef up the offensive line. The Ravens even took a 280 lb tight end before they took Lamar Jackson: they were already adapting the team to maximize Jackson's strengths. It worked. I don't see that thinking with the Browns, but I do see it with the Steelers, especially on defense. Consequently, I think the Steelers will win this one though it's probably better for the Ravens if they lose: a Steelers loss and a Ravens win would put the Steelers and Browns 4 games behind the Ravens with 4 games left to play in the regular season including week 15 home against the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share #389 Posted December 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, MickinMD said: ... like they're trying to build the team around a model of what they want the team to be without considering how their player fit into that model. Coaches like Belichick and John Harbaugh and Tomlin go with the flow and let their teams' styles evolve to fit the abilities of their current players. Whether you like Pete Caroll or not, he excels at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted December 1, 2019 Share #390 Posted December 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dottie said: Whether you like Pete Caroll or not, he excels at this. Most people do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share #391 Posted December 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Most people do not. Yeah, I'm not sure I am not one of those. But I can no longer argue with results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 1, 2019 Share #392 Posted December 1, 2019 52 minutes ago, MickinMD said: The Browns have a lot of talent - even without Garrett, except for the O-line, which they've strangely done nothing to fix. It also seems like they're trying to build the team around a model of what they want the team to be without considering how their player fit into that model. Coaches like Belichick and John Harbaugh and Tomlin go with the flow and let their teams' styles evolve to fit the abilities of their current players. When the Ravens top management met and agreed they draft Lamar Jackson, Harbaugh said, "OK, I'm fine with that and becoming a run-first team, but that means we need to draft big tight ends, have a strong, downhill runner to keep defenders guarding the middle, and beef up the offensive line. The Ravens even took a 280 lb tight end before they took Lamar Jackson: they were already adapting the team to maximize Jackson's strengths. It worked. I don't see that thinking with the Browns, but I do see it with the Steelers, especially on defense. Consequently, I think the Steelers will win this one though it's probably better for the Ravens if they lose: a Steelers loss and a Ravens win would put the Steelers and Browns 4 games behind the Ravens with 4 games left to play in the regular season including week 15 home against the Jets. You are right about the offensive line, it is by far the weakest spot in the team. That said, I have been presuming that they didn’t want to overdraft someone for need when looking at other draft opportunities. It was a defense kind of draft, plus they sent picks for Beckham instead. They are getting there, a couple of need pieces and then fill in depth, they will be insufferable and hard to stop. I would trade Beckham, it isn’t working. I suppose he could catch fire, but we will see. I think as it stands, there is more talent on the Browns than the Steelers, but Steelers have more experience. I think Kitchens is learning on the job (and it is starting to kick in but is a work in progress). Tomlin absolutely sucks at clock management, it will take a couple of years for the Steelers to restock with younger guys. They should trade Rudolph, though, that guy is hot head dummy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 1, 2019 Share #393 Posted December 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Most people do not. Really? I think most people think the hags do a good job with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted December 1, 2019 Share #394 Posted December 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Really? I think most people think the hags do a good job with that. I don’t think many people care much about the Seahawks, I just believe that many people dislike Pete Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Karen_Cooper_Incident Posted December 1, 2019 Share #395 Posted December 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: I just believe that many people dislike Pete Carroll. Myles Garret hates him. Mudkipz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share #396 Posted December 1, 2019 It just continues. https://amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001081962/article/freddie-kitchens-knows-shirt-was-not-a-good-look?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Daround-the-league;team%3Dclv;team%3Dpit;conf%3Dafc;dvsn%3Dacn;plyr%3Dbrett_rudolph&p.ct=Around+the+NFL&p.adsm=true&p.tcm=%23fff&p.bgc1m=%230964bf&p.bgc2m=%23053a74&sr=amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted December 1, 2019 Share #397 Posted December 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, Couch_Incident said: Myles Garret hates him. Mudkipz Myles Garret likely has anger issues. Did we conclude why a random Cleveland area person would punch him after getting an autograph, or have we concluded he makes shit up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 1, 2019 Share #398 Posted December 1, 2019 43 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Myles Garret likely has anger issues. I don’t think he does, there isn’t any reason to think that. Rudolph, on the other hand, very likely does. He went off on Garrett with his only provocation being that he kept getting sacked and throwing interceptions. Garrett had previously never been suspended or even accused of doing anything untoward, and has universally been considered a good guy by the league and in the places he has played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrAzY Posted December 1, 2019 Share #399 Posted December 1, 2019 Todays game production is going to be Browns are awesome, Steelers still suck! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted December 1, 2019 Share #400 Posted December 1, 2019 400 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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