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We have a new restaurant in town.  The owners are local guys, one of Potuguese decent, the other is Italian.  The menu is  Portuguese/ Italian fusion.  I went there the other day.  Food is great and prices reflect that.  

The name though, is Chop and Wop. 

For those who may not know, the derogatory slang for Portuguese is "pork chop". 

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I don’t think you can be racist against yourself, at least not yet. I’m sure we’ll get there before too long. 

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If people flock to the restaurant it's not racist.  If they stay away it is.  Perception is what it is.

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17 minutes ago, Don Cherry said:

We have a new restaurant in town.  The owners are local guys, one of Potuguese decent, the other is Italian.  The menu is  Portuguese/ Italian fusion.  I went there the other day.  Food is great and prices reflect that.  

The name though, is Chop and Wop. 

For those who may not know, the derogatory slang for Portuguese is "pork chop". 

And you went and ate there??!  My oh my.

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I call myself  a Texan

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5 minutes ago, jsharr said:

I call myself  a Texan

Racism and proud of it.

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Are they both caucasian?

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51 minutes ago, Don Cherry said:

We have a new restaurant in town.  The owners are local guys, one of Potuguese decent, the other is Italian.  The menu is  Portuguese/ Italian fusion.  I went there the other day.  Food is great and prices reflect that.  

The name though, is Chop and Wop. 

For those who may not know, the derogatory slang for Portuguese is "pork chop". 

I just checked out the web site. Gonna have to give it a try.

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Yeah, not the best of names

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1 hour ago, Don Cherry said:

We have a new restaurant in town.  The owners are local guys, one of Potuguese decent, the other is Italian.  The menu is  Portuguese/ Italian fusion.  I went there the other day.  Food is great and prices reflect that.  

The name though, is Chop and Wop. 

For those who may not know, the derogatory slang for Portuguese is "pork chop". 

Everyone I know in Central Maryland of Polish descent including me - and those of non-Polish descent, speak fondly of Polack Johnny's, whose trademark "Polish sausage" is basically an extra-long hotdog that's sort of a cross between kielbasa and a regular pork hot dog.  The restaurant is now closed and has become an outlet store, but some restaurants are licensed to sell Polock Johnny's dogs and some supermarkets sell them packaged.  No one I know considers it racist.

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Every time one of us on my mother's side of the family does something smart or accomplishes something we'll say to each other something like, "Smart Polack!" or something else with "Polack" in it.  When some in an ethnic group do something clearly excellent, they often wear the derogatory name they're called like a badge.

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16 minutes ago, donkpow said:

https://www.chopandwop.com/

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I don't think racism is much of a problem.

I would like to see a pictrue of them with their wives or girlfriends.

 

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yes

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I think if black people opened a restaurant and used a derogatory racial term to describe themselves in the name, it would be considered extremely inappropriate.  I guess it has been decided that it is okay for blacks to use the N word in speech and music, but to use that word on a public sign would be insane.  Maybe "chop" and "wop" are lesser examples, but still very wrong, IMO.  

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1 hour ago, Road Runner said:

I think if black people opened a restaurant and used a derogatory racial term to describe themselves in the name, it would be considered extremely inappropriate.  I guess it has been decided that it is okay for blacks to use the N word in speech and music, but to use that word on a public sign would be insane.  Maybe "chop" and "wop" are lesser examples, but still very wrong, IMO.  

I would tend to agree.

A permanent public sign and business with name doesn't necessarily ring well long term.  It does stir up curiosity which is probably what they might want. Will novelty fade? Maybe. Things might last longer in suburbs compared to downtown Toronto where restaurant business is cutthroat and highly competitive.

There is newish Asian fusion restaurant in my prairie city that is Mr. Chen's Asian Braisserie… it is owned and run by a non-Asian (which is fine).  Dishes look ok on menu.  I find the interior of some paintings/photos quite sexist/racist....it sorta of takes  the old stereotype of exotic Asian women...which I dislike.      (Note: there are several restaurants world-wide which by coincidence use Mr. Chen in name but they are all independent and created by Chinese owners that have no connection to this fusion restaurant.)

https://www.opentable.sg/r/mister-chens-asian-brasserie-calgary  See the photo here.  It actually bothered me, the feminist part of me....even if she wore a strapless dress, it would be fine..

https://calgaryherald.com/life/food/john-gilchrist-favourite-local-chef-duncan-ly-makes-dream-of-foreign-concept-a-reality   Contrast to this restaurant also fusion Asian.  The owner is Vietnamese-CAnadian and Western trained, chef -worked in Europe.  See the photo behind the chef-owner...he has several arty photos where the Asian women wear high necked traditional dresses...which is considered classy..and respectable.....and real.  I forgot to tell you....he is married to a Caucasian. 

Both of the restaurants are popular in town to all customers of all backgrounds (I think but I've never felt like going to Chen's), but for some different reasons....both offer pan Asian cuisine.  It's the ambience, vibe differences, I guess.  Guess which restaurant I would go and bring my family, good friends (male or female)?  :)  We're paying for a meal and I would like everyone to feel comfortable.

 

 

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I'm trying to reconcile the idea of restaurant that included Chink in the name.  I'm sorry..there's such bad associations with it personally because strangers have yelled it to me occasionally out as a negative slur.  There are enough social media comments in the area of discussion on racism and personal memoirs in books, where chink has flung so negatively for so long.

Interestingly wonder how crab pollack came about...processed crab..

For instance awhile ago, there was an establishment "Wok and Roll"...I thought it was clever since it was on point...on things culinary and food.

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11 minutes ago, shootingstar said:

I'm trying to reconcile the idea of restaurant that included Chink in the name.  I'm sorry..there's such bad associations with it personally because strangers have yelled it to me occasionally out as a negative slur.  There are enough social media comments in the area of discussion on racism and personal memoirs in books, where chink has flung so negatively for so long.

Interestingly wonder how crab pollack came about...processed crab..

For instance awhile ago, there was an establishment "Wok and Roll"...I thought it was clever since it was on point...on things culinary and food.

Crab pollack is artificial crab meat made from Pollack, a fish.  Image result for pollack

There have been two US Submarines named for the Pollack.  The USS Pollack SSN 603 was often alongside the pier in Norfolk when I was there.

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Ta-Nehisi Coates explains that names take on meaning within relationships, and that the agency to language is a right for everybody, and that it's a form of bigotry to "watch people walk through the world and do things that you cannot do." 

 

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