shootingstar Posted February 5, 2020 Share #101 Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Wilbur said: First Nations can harvest and serve them. There's probably a severe restriction. A St'olo elder referred to it as "ancient fish" when he and I were chatting. He was hired from the First Nations reserve which our major construction road bridge being built through/over. They can become huge, strange looking fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted February 5, 2020 Share #102 Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Wilbur said: First Nations can harvest and serve them. When I was a kid in Vancouver, we could dig clams all day long in White Rock, harvest smelts at Spanish Banks, had spectacular numbers of Dungeons Crab in Bowser on Van. Isle, Oysters all over the coast, abundant salmon and steelhead and local lakes had trout. Life was good. I have seen the same in my lifetime. I used to dig for clams as a kid but clams are non existent now. (but I know a secret spot where they are abundant on a former oil field that’s still private property). Mackerel are nearly fished out, tuna runs are diminished, migratory sand bass are diminished, several species of rock fish & grouper are protected but incidental catches are rare, they are just gone... Salmon & Steelhead were pretty rare but non existent now. I used to fish for Grunion that were abundant during their runs, they are rare these days... Same with abalone, totally gone locally and I would harvest them yards from shore as a teen. As previously mentioned sardines were pretty much fished into local extinction by over harvesting. Sport fishing is highly regulated, seasons are short & take limits are small. Commercial fishing is banned but there is nothing of note left to fish for locally. We really picked our waters clean before the state stepped in and started really regulating the industry before we wiped it out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share #103 Posted February 5, 2020 They didn’t eat this seafood crap in the old west; apparently they just ate beans and drank bad coffee that everyone complained about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sheep_herder ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Popular Post Share #104 Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Randomguy said: They didn’t eat this seafood crap in the old west; apparently they just ate beans and drank bad coffee that everyone complained about. And, they sure as hell did not use picante sauce that was made in New York City! 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Share #105 Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Randomguy said: They didn’t eat this seafood crap in the old west; apparently they just ate beans and drank bad coffee that everyone complained about. And cigarettes. They ate cigarettes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Share #106 Posted February 5, 2020 12 hours ago, shootingstar said: There's probably a severe restriction. A St'olo elder referred to it as "ancient fish" when he and I were chatting. He was hired from the First Nations reserve which our major construction road bridge being built through/over. They can become huge, strange looking fish. They take up to 25 years to reach sexual maturity. That is why the numbers become depleted so quickly. Catch and release is still allowed. Aboriginals though, have no restrictions. They can catch and keep as it has been declared essential to their lifestyle, culture and survival. They are ugly and they are delicious when smoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Share #107 Posted February 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Wilbur said: They take up to 25 years to reach sexual maturity. That is why the numbers become depleted so quickly. Catch and release is still allowed. Aboriginals though, have no restrictions. They can catch and keep as it has been declared essential to their lifestyle, culture and survival. They are ugly and they are delicious when smoked. Have you ever seen the paddle fish that they snag in eastern Montana on the Yellowstone and Missouri Rivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Share #108 Posted February 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: Have you ever seen the paddle fish that they snag in eastern Montana on the Yellowstone and Missouri Rivers? No. Photos please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Share #109 Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, sheep_herder said: Have you ever seen the paddle fish that they snag in eastern Montana on the Yellowstone and Missouri Rivers? Yes, the long snouted fish? Prehistoric beasts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dottleshead ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Share #113 Posted February 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Yes, the long snouted fish? Prehistoric beasts! If you've ever pulled a Ling cod out of the water, you may never eat it again. Ugly things from another planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Share #114 Posted February 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, Dottles said: If you've ever pulled a Ling cod out of the water, you may never eat it again. Ugly things from another planet. I have pulled hundreds out. They are delicious. Dads #1 activity was catching fish. That is what I grew up with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Share #115 Posted February 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Wilbur said: I have pulled hundreds out. They are delicious. I think I was just being rhetorical if not just using it for an information vehicle to other forum readers. Fresh Ling Cod is amazing... but fugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted February 5, 2020 Share #116 Posted February 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Randomguy said: They didn’t eat this seafood crap in the old west; apparently they just ate beans and drank bad coffee that everyone complained about. ...beans and bacon. Bacon was big because it was salted and cured, so did not require refrigeration. You can choke down just about anything with enough bacon mixed in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted February 5, 2020 Share #117 Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Dottles said: If you've ever pulled a Ling cod out of the water, you may never eat it again. Ugly things from another planet. When my son was little we were fishing in Newport Harbor and somehow he caught a small ling cod? I knew what it was but he thought he caught a mutant alien fish. Totally freaked my kids out! Yeah they are bizarre looking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Share #118 Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, ChrisL said: When my son was little we were fishing in Newport Harbor and somehow he caught a small ling cod? I knew what it was but he thought he caught a mutant alien fish. Totally freaked my kids out! Yeah they are bizarre looking. Might have been a Rock Cod. They are smaller and venture into shallower water. Lings run deep and cold. Much of the ugliness once caught are caused by decompression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share #119 Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Wilbur said: They take up to 25 years to reach sexual maturity. That is why the numbers become depleted so quickly. Catch and release is still allowed. Aboriginals though, have no restrictions. They can catch and keep as it has been declared essential to their lifestyle, culture and survival. They are ugly and they are delicious when smoked. Aborigines do not take 25 years to reach sexual maturity, they can have children in their teens. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I did not know they were delicious when smoked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted February 5, 2020 Share #120 Posted February 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Might have been a Rock Cod. They are smaller and venture into shallower water. Lings run deep and cold. Much of the ugliness once caught are caused by decompression. I’m certain it was a ling but I hear ya on the deep & cold. Surprised the hell out of me. We do have Lings in SoCal and I have caught them before but never before or since in that Harbor. The head shape & teeth were a dead give away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Share #121 Posted February 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.. Is this Parr8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groupw Posted February 5, 2020 Share #122 Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Randomguy said: Aborigines do not take 25 years to reach sexual maturity, they can have children in their teens. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I did not know they were delicious when smoked. You beat me to it, RG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted February 5, 2020 Share #123 Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Randomguy said: Aborigines do not take 25 years to reach sexual maturity, they can have children in their teens. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I did not know they were delicious when smoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted February 6, 2020 Share #124 Posted February 6, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 12:34 PM, ChrisL said: Just curious what you easterners consider the west? Colorado west? Wasn’t St Louis once considered the gateway to the west which would put everything west of that? Just wondering as other than Dottles you guys are all East of us... The west starts at the Mississippi, it's up hill from there to Leadville, then across a big valley and over the hill to California...wide open spaces and big hills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #125 Posted February 6, 2020 You guys and your East to West myopics. You have it all wrong. From the Pacific to the Rockies. That's the West. Case closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #126 Posted February 6, 2020 Now you are spreading BS late in the evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share #127 Posted February 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Dottles said: You guys and your East to West myopics. You have it all wrong. From the Pacific to the Rockies. That's the West. Case closed. I agree 100%. If you are farming the plains, it ain’t the west. 170 years ago, I suppose the Mississippi might have been the gateway, but that line certainly moved to the Rockies way back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share #128 Posted February 6, 2020 More westerns tonight. Hot actresses on westerns. No bikinis, though. I also came to a non-western conclusion: if you are a criminal, it would be the ultimate embarrassment to be caught by Barnaby Jones. Man, that dude wouldn’t be able to catch a cold in a non-Hollywood world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #129 Posted February 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Dottles said: You guys and your East to West myopics. You have it all wrong. From the Pacific to the Rockies. That's the West. Case closed. Steers and queers territory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #130 Posted February 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I agree 100%. If you are farming the plains, it ain’t the west. 170 years ago, I suppose the Mississippi might have been the gateway, but that line certainly moved to the Rockies way back. I draw the line where many do, the continental divide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #131 Posted February 6, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 11:48 AM, Randomguy said: I think Smudge would own a brothel if she lived in the old west. I think smudge will be along presently to rip your tongue out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #132 Posted February 6, 2020 Really working in the field of range management, I did not pay much attention to east or west, but ecoregions. When in Oregon I worked in the northern Great Basin and the Palouse Prairie and in Montana I worked in the northern Great Plains. However, I always found the use of the term midwest somewhat amusing, and really never did understand its meaning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #133 Posted February 6, 2020 I lived in the High Plains area of New Mexico for 4 years, 2 months, and 3 days. It was dry, flat, and barren. Plus the aircraft I worked on were horrible. WoJSTL was going to college in Cincinnati. I hated it. I did see the most beautiful thing there: Clovis NM in my rearview mirror for the last time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #134 Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, JerrySTL said: I lived in the High Plains area of New Mexico for 4 years, 2 months, and 3 days. It was dry, flat, and barren. Plus the aircraft I worked on were horrible. WoJSTL was going to college in Cincinnati. I hated it. I did see the most beautiful thing there: Clovis NM in my rearview mirror for the last time. We really like New Mexico and visit when we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySTL ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #135 Posted February 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: We really like New Mexico and visit when we can. There are many nice places in NM. Over on the Texas border, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #136 Posted February 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Wilbur said: Steers and queers territory. A good mixture. But we've got nothing on NYC or New Orleans or any bathroom in Americana really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #137 Posted February 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Wilbur said: I draw the line where many do, the continental divide. Right. The Rockies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #138 Posted February 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Wilbur said: Steers and queers territory. Also Miami and Key West. Minus the steers of course. But Austin is a double winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #139 Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Dottles said: Also Miami and Key West. Minus the steers of course. But Austin is a double winner. What, you think they don't have cows in Florida? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #140 Posted February 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: What, you think they don't have cows in Florida? Gator bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #141 Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Dottles said: Gator bait. They actually have some big cattle ranching operations in the State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #142 Posted February 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: They actually have some big cattle ranching operations in the State. Up north no doubt but I did see a couple in the South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted February 6, 2020 Share #143 Posted February 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dottles said: Up north no doubt but I did see a couple in the South. One we toured had some grazing land on one of the air force bases. They had some interesting stories about fly overs and targets, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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