Dottleshead Posted February 10, 2020 Share #1 Posted February 10, 2020 Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie Posted February 10, 2020 Share #2 Posted February 10, 2020 It means we don’t get stopped for DWW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: It means we don’t get stopped for DWW. Dublin Writers Workshop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted February 10, 2020 Share #4 Posted February 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: It means we don’t get stopped for DWW. This and my good friend Charles gets stopped regularly for not DWW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 10, 2020 Share #5 Posted February 10, 2020 It means that I am likely able to trace my ancestry back a lot easier than some folks. It means not being targeted while traveling in planes, trains and automobiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr Posted February 10, 2020 Share #6 Posted February 10, 2020 It means I will never be guilty of being black in America. Racism sucks. The stories I have heard from friends about growing up black in America are sickening. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted February 10, 2020 Share #7 Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, jsharr said: It means I will never be guilty of being black in America. Racism sucks. The stories I have heard from friends about growing up black in America are sickening. Fer sur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 10, 2020 Share #8 Posted February 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, jsharr said: It means I will never be guilty of being black in America. Racism sucks. The stories I have heard from friends about growing up black in America are sickening. Very well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Administrator Posted February 10, 2020 Share #9 Posted February 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: It means we don’t get stopped for DWW. I've been debating posting this because it will make me out to be a terrible person.... Just remember, we learn from our mistakes and I will never do this again.... Many years ago, I was driving home from a friend's. I was pretty drunk. I was way past the point of where I should have been driving. I got pulled over for having a taillight out. When the cop asked for my license, I dropped my wallet and everything fell out. I could not find my insurance card. I was a mess. When he went back to his car, I fully expected to be arrested that night. When he came back to my car, he told me that he thought I had been drinking and I should head home. He told me he was going to follow me to make sure I was safe. I went home without a problem. I have no idea why he let me go. This wasn't the 1980s where drinking and driving was more acceptable. I assume it was because I was dressed nicely. It might have been because I had my prison badge on me. I think about this a lot. If I were a young kid of color, would I have gotten this second chance? If I were dressed in ripped up jeans and a Motley Crue t-shirt, would I have been treated differently? This is my go-to example of privilege. I am an upper-middle-class white guy. When I set off the shoplifting alarm at most stores, the cashiers just assume the alarm made a mistake and wave me on. When I drove off without paying for my gas years ago, I just got a letter in the mail asking me to come back and pay. When I go to restaurants, I typically receive good service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted February 10, 2020 Share #10 Posted February 10, 2020 ...it means I can't jump well enough to dunk, and that I will always look goofy on the dance floor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr Posted February 10, 2020 Share #11 Posted February 10, 2020 I want to like some of these posts, but then again I do not want to like anything about racism. Racism in any form sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted February 10, 2020 Share #12 Posted February 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Forum Administrator said: When I go to restaurants, I typically receive good service. And don’t get asked to prepay or run a credit card in advance of your order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 10, 2020 Share #13 Posted February 10, 2020 It means the topic is about to go sideways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted February 10, 2020 Share #14 Posted February 10, 2020 Privilege doesn't mean you're given stuff. Instead it means the stuff is set up to help you succeed. The best analogy I can think of is being born right-handed. Everything is designed for work well with your dominate hand. Lefties don't have that advantage so scissors don't work well with their dominate hand and they smear their hand when they write with a pencil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 10, 2020 Share #15 Posted February 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mr. Silly said: Lefties don't have that advantage so scissors don't work well with their dominate hand and they smear their hand when they write with a pencil. There were no "lefty" questions on the privilege quiz. I have been discriminated against my entire life as a lefty and didn't know it. My score is now 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted February 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Wilbur said: There were no "lefty" questions on the privilege quiz. I have been discriminated against my entire life as a lefty and didn't know it. My score is now 0. This thread was written with you in mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 10, 2020 Share #17 Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dottles said: This thread was written with you in mind. Why do you hate lefties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 10, 2020 Share #18 Posted February 10, 2020 45 minutes ago, jsharr said: I want to like some of these posts, but then again I do not want to like anything about racism. Racism in any form sucks. Cancer will be cured before racism will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share #19 Posted February 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Why do you hate lefties? Oh I don't hate righties or lefties. I just like watching crap blow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr Posted February 10, 2020 Share #20 Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Cancer will be cured before racism will. You are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 10, 2020 Share #21 Posted February 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dottles said: Oh I don't hate righties or lefties. I just like watching crap blow up. I'm a tester at heart. Somebody needs to execute the stress test. I was so underprivileged, I had to learn to golf right handed. 3 kids, one set of clubs, the other two were righties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend_Maynard Posted February 10, 2020 Share #22 Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Wilbur said: I was so underprivileged, I had to learn to golf right handed. 3 kids, one set of clubs, the other two were righties. You mean you didn't just give up golf? Maybe ask the government to golf for you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 10, 2020 Share #23 Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Reverend_Maynard said: You mean you didn't just give up golf? Maybe ask the government to golf for you? It took 40 years to give up. Now I just walk without all the aggravation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge Posted February 10, 2020 Share #24 Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Dottles said: Just curious. I'm guessing it means a lot of folks will get triggered again Same story, different thread. It remains - in the US - far easier to try to not think about it. Or to downplay it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted February 10, 2020 Share #25 Posted February 10, 2020 What white Privilege means to me is that I'll never understand what it's like to not be white. Or female. Or gay. An immigrant, poorly educated, Jewish...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted February 10, 2020 Share #26 Posted February 10, 2020 ...my Bubbie was a poorly educated, Jewish, female immigrant from Poland. She was not real fond of "die schwarze". Just sayin' . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share #27 Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Wilbur said: I was so underprivileged, I had to learn to golf right handed. 3 kids, one set of clubs, the other two were righties. Did ya shoot for the windows on the homes lining the course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted February 11, 2020 Share #28 Posted February 11, 2020 To this guy it is an obligation Carmichael is reportedly pleased with the board’s reversal, telling Wilkes-Barre’s Citizen’s Voice, “I believe in being a good neighbor and I believe in decency… Any CEO or successful person, anyone who looks back on their life, has to have had good luck or good fortune. Sharing a little bit of your good luck is part of the process.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 11, 2020 Share #29 Posted February 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Razors Edge said: I'm guessing it means a lot of folks will get triggered again Same story, different thread. It remains - in the US - far easier to try to not think about it. Or to downplay it. I read the comments posted in the last 24 hrs. to the above linked thread. And also read this new thread. For me, I'm just tired abit. For the past 30 yrs., I've been whitening my resume by removing 2 valuable volunteer experiences where I learned from other volunteers (who were leaders in Metro Toronto: in legal aid, social work, health care, labour relatons) for a total of 10 volunteer years on: negotiation with difficult stakeholder groups, media relations, what it means to work the levels of govn't to adjust social services, programs and funding. It is because those volunteer experiences point to my ethnicity and the word, " race relations" can easily colour me as a rabble-rouser and who knows what else. Can't afford disclosure and being misunderstood, when I'm competing against others in job applications. it's a long, long and lifetime journey to improve and deepen understanding of others quite different from oneself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 11, 2020 Share #30 Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Further said: To this guy it is an obligation Carmichael is reportedly pleased with the board’s reversal, telling Wilkes-Barre’s Citizen’s Voice, “I believe in being a good neighbor and I believe in decency… Any CEO or successful person, anyone who looks back on their life, has to have had good luck or good fortune. Sharing a little bit of your good luck is part of the process.” I see primarily an obligation for those who helped me...either directly or indirectly. Latter, could be those who helped foster better relations with others on a consistent/frequent basis and those who help create frameworks to foster healing, inclusiveness and positive/constructive dialogue that aims to solve systemic /societal structural problems. As a human being, my vulnerability is the same as yours. I expect others to respect my vulnerability as I would do to yours. Privilege is what it is: a benefit that was provided to you. It can be something that you aren't even aware of its "benefit" until suddenly you no longer have it...it's like ability to walk for decades...to go hiking in the wild, anywhere. Then suddenly a person can no longer walk. Maybe marry someone with a Chinese last name....and then you might get some taste....short of yellow-face, etc. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn Posted February 17, 2020 Share #31 Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 1:15 PM, Wilbur said: I was so underprivileged, I had to learn to golf right handed. 3 kids, one set of clubs, the other two were righties. I learned to bowl right handed because I couldn’t find any left handed bowling balls. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 17, 2020 Share #32 Posted February 17, 2020 I will let you know when I start to see some personal or familial benefit from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted February 17, 2020 Share #33 Posted February 17, 2020 Racism will soon get worse, quite possibly a lot worse, the return of Jim Crow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted February 17, 2020 Share #34 Posted February 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, late said: the return of Jim Crow. As if it ever went away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted February 17, 2020 Share #35 Posted February 17, 2020 I have a large group of African American in laws. Most of them are getting by just fine, but they aren't as prosperous as my white friends and relatives, in general. So you could say there is a privilege at play. I don't think racism plays much of a role, but certainly BuffCarla's grandparents generation and to a lesser extent parents faced oppressive racism in many ways. Heard an interesting piece on This American Life yesterday. A Russian raised black woman was admonishing the black reporter for letting her perceptions of microaggressions bring her down. She said why do you insist on picking at the wound until it bleeds? What does that get you? The reporter basically said she couldn't help it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted February 17, 2020 Share #36 Posted February 17, 2020 35 minutes ago, roadsue said: As if it ever went away. True, but it's been getting worse, and it could get a lot worse after the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 17, 2020 Share #37 Posted February 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, late said: True, but it's been getting worse, and it could get a lot worse after the election. What would make it worse, depending on election outcome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx Posted February 17, 2020 Share #38 Posted February 17, 2020 35 minutes ago, BuffJim said: I have a large group of African American in laws. Most of them are getting by just fine, but they aren't as prosperous as my white friends and relatives, in general. So you could say there is a privilege at play. I don't think racism plays much of a role, but certainly BuffCarla's grandparents generation and to a lesser extent parents faced oppressive racism in many ways. Heard an interesting piece on This American Life yesterday. A Russian raised black woman was admonishing the black reporter for letting her perceptions of microaggressions bring her down. She said why do you insist on picking at the wound until it bleeds? What does that get you? The reporter basically said she couldn't help it. Certainly my Chinese relatives are doing much better than this white part of the family tree. But then where they live there is either Muslim or Chinese privilege depending on which continent. My black relatives are not doing quite as well but there are other problems involved there. Going through life stoned is a choice. Since my father came here as a boy in steerage from Germany after WWI and had to live through WWII as a German immigrant in America I don't see much privilege accruing their either. Being white and German did not bring many benefits during the war. After the war jobs were gone for him and he made his living building houses by himself one at a time. So I tend to view white privilege as one of those statistical things that leads to broad brushing and stereotyping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted February 17, 2020 Share #39 Posted February 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, late said: True, but it's been getting worse, and it could get a lot worse after the election. If Trump wins re-election, then for the most part, except for far left Democrats, racism in America will fade away. If the Democrats re-gain the white house, lookout. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted February 17, 2020 Share #40 Posted February 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, BuffJim said: If Trump wins re-election, then for the most part, except for far left Democrats, racism in America will fade away. If the Democrats re-gain the white house, lookout. You mean if there was a Democrat white guy president that got elected? Vs. Trump re-elected. Anyway no point as a Canuck, trying to figure out the complex U.S. landscape, Canada has its own problems..right now. There are native Indian blockades across different areas of the national rail lines. It's literally stopped passenger rail and each day, more freight rail lines. On the west coast, there's a backup of ships that can't unload for non-existent rail trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 17, 2020 Share #41 Posted February 17, 2020 I think a lot of you racist assholes look for it everywhere. When you do that, you find it, even when it isn’t there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted February 17, 2020 Share #42 Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 11:37 AM, Dottles said: What does white privilege mean to you? If you have to ask ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted February 17, 2020 Share #43 Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffJim said: 1 hour ago, late said: True, but it's been getting worse, and it could get a lot worse after the election. If Trump wins re-election, then for the most part, except for far left Democrats, racism in America will fade away. If the Democrats re-gain the white house, lookout. Is it possible to ask your thought process that lead to this conclusion without this turning into a political discussion? Like @shootingstar I sometimes do not understand the US politcal landscape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 17, 2020 Share #44 Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, shootingstar said: What would make it worse, depending on election outcome? One word, emboldened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted February 17, 2020 Share #45 Posted February 17, 2020 It means I can wear a hoodie without being judged as a criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx Posted February 17, 2020 Share #46 Posted February 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Road Runner said: It means I can wear a hoodie without being judged as a criminal. It seems that one can always be judged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted February 17, 2020 Share #47 Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, maddmaxx said: It seems that one can always be judged. Definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn Posted February 17, 2020 Share #48 Posted February 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Road Runner said: It means I can wear a hoodie without being judged as a criminal. Unibomber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted February 17, 2020 Share #49 Posted February 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Longjohn said: Unibomber It was the sunglasses on that one, as much as the hoodie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted February 17, 2020 Share #50 Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, shootingstar said: What would make it worse, depending on election outcome? Two things: gerrymandering and red-lining. The first is motivated by political corruption; the second financial. Both place a higher value on whites owning property. The other remnant of Jim Crow is the charter school movement. Although there are a number of advantages for specific students of color who have moved away from their neighborhood schools, the segregation veneer on the issue as a whole is thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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