Here we go? Untracked coronavirus appears in Northern Cali

[Dirtyhip]

1 hour ago, Wilbur said:

She was a surgeon that had practised on both sides of the border.  Yes, in the US, you need insurance but when you have it, you are well covered.   In Canada, not so much.  You get basic healthcare, no dental, no drugs.  My wife arthritis required an IV drug every 4 weeks to the tune of $6000 per treatment.  Ontario medical, company insurance, Trillium all refused as you know, walking is optional.  How long could you sustain that kind of expense?  I would take the US system every day over socialized medicine.  Socialized isn't free at all.  Look at the tax structure between the two countries.  I have lived in both and again, the US shines.  The doctor was talking about quality of care and it is, better in the US. 

Now, if you want free healthcare, just make your way to Roxham Road in Upstate NY, walk across the border and claim asylum.  You will have to go through the legal process but that takes years.  You will be given housing and 3200 per month for food and transportation.  You get gold tier healthcare, which is better than any citizen gets as all expenses are covered for 20 years and it includes drugs and dental.   Not a bad deal and there are hundreds crossing every day.  Just don't do it at a regular border crossing or you will be thrown out.  Do it at an illegal crossing where immigration laws don't apply. 

Well covered, if, you have a great job and if you have a lot of money, you are well covered.

You would take the US system, because you have the cash to afford the copays.  Medical bankruptcies are a thing that happens way too often.

Where is this Roxham road?    

 

[Dottleshead ★]

Well a second student tested positive from the University of Washington in a freshmen dormitory has tested positive.  That means that shit is spreading among the whole dorm/university.  Shocker.  47 of the staff members at the assisted living joint where the majority of the covid-19 deaths have occurred have tested positive.  Another employee from a Washington penitentiary has it.  I could go on and on.  Every day is like this and they're just getting into position to test.  The pandemic is on folks. 

I'm going out on and limb and saying I may be working home for a couple months.

[Wilbur ★]

5 hours ago, shootingstar said:

Unlike you, I am willing to pay in my taxes.

See, that is an inflammatory statement.  I harbour no funds outside this tax jurisdiction.  I use some income splitting to the extent it is allowed and operate two companies whose revenue stays with the companies. I paid 49% income tax last year through payroll deduction and am writing another cheque for $76,000 at the end of the month for income derived elsewhere.   I pay my way willingly as well.  The tax rate in Canada sucks and it is only keeping irresponsible and unsustainable government spending and immigration policies going.   Socialism doesn't work kids.  It never has, anywhere. Learn to look after yourselves and stop feeding off the teet of those who do.  

[Wilbur ★]

5 hours ago, Dirtyhip said:

Well covered, if, you have a great job and if you have a lot of money, you are well covered.

You would take the US system, because you have the cash to afford the copays.  Medical bankruptcies are a thing that happens way too often.

Where is this Roxham road?    

 

Upstate NY.  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/the-national-roxham-road-immigration-border-1.5169249

[Wilbur ★]

5 hours ago, shootingstar said:

Um..lwilbur didn't you just have cataract surgery recently?  In Toronto, right?  Thank Canadia's health care so that it didn't cost you hardly anything at all.  And it shouldn't.  My dearie will get it within the next 12 months.

It cost me a shit-load in 45 years of income earning.  This isn't free.  What pert of that is difficult to understand?  I still paid $400 for laser measuring of the eye and $1200 for the lens implants.  You can go with the "free lenses" and "free measuring" but Transport Canada has problems with that and I would still not be working. 

[Prophet Zacharia]

11 hours ago, Randomguy said:

This is clearly because "America is way ahead of the other countries", ha!  Testing on demand is around the corner, sure it is!

 

The President, despite contact with three people at his Florida beach place, still hasn’t been tested. Working out a schedule for the President to get tested doesn’t sound like wide-scale availability.

President Trump said Friday that he has not yet been tested for the novel coronavirus, even as three people who were with him at the Mar-a-Lago Club last weekend have now tested positive. Trump said he would be tested “fairly soon. We’re working on that. We’re working out a schedule.”

[maddmaxx ★]

Can he be tested if he doesn't have symptoms?

[Wilbur ★]

3 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

Can he be tested if he doesn't have symptoms?

My wife, a DT hater, said he looked and sounded sick during his press briefing yesterday.  Maybe he has symptoms?? 

[shootingstar]

3 hours ago, Wilbur said:

It cost me a shit-load in 45 years of income earning.  This isn't free.  What pert of that is difficult to understand?  I still paid $400 for laser measuring of the eye and $1200 for the lens implants.  You can go with the "free lenses" and "free measuring" but Transport Canada has problems with that and I would still not be working. 

Your job requires those additional measures for eyesight.  That's very different from the rest of the population, Wilbur.

Another friend had cataract surgery about a decade ago. She's fine..she was a nurse before she retired 15 yrs. ago.  Mixing immigration with refugees/asylum seekers is not right.  Most Canadian immigrants don't cross the borders illegally. It's a long testing, application and waiting process. https://cyclewriteblog.wordpress.com/2016/10/16/teenager-helps-father-sponsor-relatives-to-immigrate-to-canada/  I helped my father type up the application sponsorship forms with my father.  

My relatives (and many others) are all working and with smart 2nd generation adult children working also. They pay taxes like you and I. Our natural birth rate will continue to flatten. Otherwise we will be an aging population like Japan who is already headed for major, big problems in terms of workforce.  https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-japan-economy-aging-population/   They don't welcome immigration. They don't treat other Asians working there well.

I am middle class....I live a far better llife than my parents. Same for several working siblings:  they too, earn decent salaries. We're not bitchin'. Waste of time.

 

[maddmaxx ★]

10 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

My wife, a DT hater, said he looked and sounded sick during his press briefing yesterday.  Maybe he has symptoms?? 

It is also allergy season come early.  Many of us are walking around with a croak in our voice.

[Wilbur ★]

4 minutes ago, shootingstar said:

Your job requires those additional measures for eyesight.  That's very different from the rest of the population, Wilbur.

Another friend had cataract surgery about a decade ago. She's fine..she was a nurse before she retired 15 yrs. ago.  Mixing immigration with refugees/asylum seekers is not right.  Most Canadian immigrants don't cross the borders illegally. It's a long testing, application and waiting process. https://cyclewriteblog.wordpress.com/2016/10/16/teenager-helps-father-sponsor-relatives-to-immigrate-to-canada/  I helped my father type up the application sponsorship forms with my father.  

They are all working and with smart 2nd generation adult children working also. They pay taxes like you and I. Our natural birth rate will continue to flatten. Otherwise we will be an aging population like Japan who is already headed for major, big problems in terms of workforce.  https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-japan-economy-aging-population/   They don't welcome immigration. They don't treat other Asians working there well.

I am middle class....I live a far better llife than my parents. Same for several working siblings:  they too, earn decent salaries. We're not bitchin'. Waste of time.

 

Most asylum seekers now, are just migrating for economics.  (Economic migrants)  I would like to see the illegal entry stations closed and those caught entering illegally deported on the spot.  No services, no expense to tax payers.  I have no problem with immigrants entering through legal channels.  The CBC article I linked to makes it sound like the RCMP are arresting and detaining them.  That isn't the case.  It is a statement like "Hey, technically, you are breaking the law and eventually, you will have to go through legal channels.  In the meanwhile, here is your new residence, passport, income and medical and dental coverage.  Welcome to Canada". 

[Wilbur ★]

1 minute ago, maddmaxx said:

It is also allergy season come early.  Many of us are walking around with a croak in our voice.

Maybe?  I have no idea if he is an allergy sufferer. 

[Prophet Zacharia]

1 minute ago, maddmaxx said:

It is also allergy season come early.  Many of us are walking around with a croak in our voice.

But most of us don’t associate with confirmed Covid-19 infected people AND interact with the leaders of the federal government. That they are considering testing him yet haven’t been able to do so is troubling. 

[Prophet Zacharia]

“Guatemala appears to have become the first country to ban Americans in an effort to stop the spread of coronavirus. President Alejandro Giammattei announced that Americans would not be allowed into the country beginning on Monday.”

That has to be a first?

[maddmaxx ★]

CT goes from 12 to 20 overnight, mostly down near the border close to NYC.  IMO this is the beginning of the surge in cases.

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@Wilbur 

 

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[Dottleshead ★]

31 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

CT goes from 12 to 20 overnight, mostly down near the border close to NYC.  IMO this is the beginning of the surge in cases.

Correct. I quit posting about my state because it's endemic. And they just starting the testing process.

[shootingstar]

25 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

I hope he gets it and expires.

Ok, back to your earlier example.  I am sorry to hear that you still have to pay oodles in Canada for your family's medical help.  That said, I bet there are hundreds (or more) of egregious examples of this in the USA for every one in Canada.  Still, it sucks to be one them, and it does point out holes in what seems to me a much better system.

My mother has one particular medication that is close to $9,000/month.  The drug company has a program where it "forgives" all but $900 of it.  Again, this is for just one of her medications which her insurance won't cover, she spends a about $1,600 a month on prescription and copays, and my dad has his own medical stuff to spend on.    

Comfortable retirement is not comfortable for them.  My brother and his family had to help, I liquidated all retirement accounts and everything else to get them through as you know (and to help with the wife's mother's failed cancer treatment and living expenses, but that is another story).  That is three families basically wiped out for "the best health system in the world".   Add to this my own dealings with insurance .and pharmaceutical weasels. 

This is why socialized medicine seems to be the much better path., I would take it over what I have seen here in the past, present, and future, hands down.

Thanks for your heart wrenching stories.  I wish more Canadians would hear the real stories from some Americans on the financial side. 

Random my mother in addition, to her recent heart transplant implant before this past Christmas, she's has been on drugs for hypertension for the past 20 years, also has gout.  She does listen to doctor's advice and pulled away from lots of white rice because of now near diabetes 2 reading.  She nor my siblings have ever complained about costs...probably because it's so little or nothing at all in terms of the drugs and seeing specialists. She did have some heart tests...which led to heart pacemaker.

I'm sorry how incredibly tough it must be on your parents, RG financially.  It actually angers me when some Canadians have no clue how fortunate they are or those who cherry pick on 1 type of wonderful care in the U.S. and don't realize the full cost of health care in U.S. if our system became privatized.

I don't EVER recall my sbilings nor my parents afraid to visit a doctor or referred doctor specialist (my father saw oncologist, then urologist) due to "cost".  If was really expensive, they would approach to help financially.  That hasn't happened.  It will probably happen if/when she needs to go into nursing home.  Otherwise, they are willing to get into the lineup and get diagnosed.  There are additional drugs for certain conditions that probably fall outside the drug list.... as Wilbur p;ointed out.  

I understand it costs to give birth in hospital in he U.S. ?  Am I correct?  The cost is negligible or whatever it is.  

As for the bitchin' about doctors' expertise in cAnada vs. U.S.:  it depends where one lives in Canada.  In the major cities with a medical school (because it automatically provides doctors a hub to learn about research /network, etc. not be isolated in a tiny town.) , a person is better off to have  local access to specialists, etc.  

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