Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Share #1 Posted February 29, 2020 ...do you think dairy is good for you, bad for you, neutral, or just don't care? For the purposes of this thread (and for the broader reality-based people of the world), the highly processed, deeply unhealthy, and chemical-composed shitmilks like oat, soy, almond and the like are not included. Discus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Airehead Posted February 29, 2020 Popular Post Share #2 Posted February 29, 2020 I think all things in moderation is the best choice for most people. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted February 29, 2020 Share #3 Posted February 29, 2020 ...embrace the breatharian gospel. Then it won't matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 29, 2020 Share #4 Posted February 29, 2020 I made oat milk this morning, I don't believe it is unhealthy. There is minimal processing. I did add a 1/4 tsp of xanthan gum to stabilize it a little. xanthan is not going to kill you. You have likely eaten it in many foods. https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-340/xanthan-gum We buy plain cream for coffee, because I selfishly enjoy it and can't seem to kick the habit. Mostly, I use my oat milk for my recipes and cooking. It seems ok. I make a thicker batch of oat cream that my husband drinks in his coffee. I think that milk is ok, if you can tolerate it. The milk industry is wack. I don't love the wide antibiotic use. We still eat cheese. Our family is all over the board with dairy and dairy substitutes. My motivations are environmental in nature. I have saved a myriad of containers since I started this habit. I buy my organic oats in bulk and bring them home in linen bags. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted February 29, 2020 Share #5 Posted February 29, 2020 Possibly good for me. There is some evidence that animal protein is inflammatory for humans. There's probably just as much evidence that's it's helpful to humans. For me, it was a moral issue. I have struggled with chewing on the flesh of a sentient being all my life. It finally got to be too much and I stopped. Physically, I feel the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted February 29, 2020 Share #6 Posted February 29, 2020 I like milk. It is a fine source of protein, vitamin D and calcium. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 29, 2020 Share #7 Posted February 29, 2020 In regards to the calcium, there are many non-dairy foods with lots of this. But you have to eat a wide range of foods to get everything you need 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #8 Posted February 29, 2020 Low-fat milk is some of the most nutrient intensive healthy food for you. From a heart perspective, non-fat milk is pretty good. Too bad the taste suffers. It's why I prefer oat or almond/cashew hybrid. I only put it on cereal or in my coffee so it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #9 Posted February 29, 2020 I like milk, though I mostly drink the half-and-half I put in my coffee. I eat cereal - mostly original Cheerios (only 4% sugar) - and mostly in warmer weather and buy almond milk and bananas or other fruit to go with it. But every once in a while, I just have to buy a quart of milk and drink it with almost any food. As the wise Airehead wrote, things in moderation are generally good for us - which was the philosophy of the inhabitants of Shangri La, in James Hilton's novel, "Lost Horizon" and supposedly why they were able to live for hundreds of years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted February 29, 2020 Share #10 Posted February 29, 2020 And fresh, simple foods are best. Those without added steroids or antibiotics or whatever the hell they don’t need. Hard to find good wheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #11 Posted February 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Dirtyhip said: I made oat milk this morning, I don't believe it is unhealthy. I did add a 1/4 tsp of xanthan gum to stabilize it a little. xanthan is not going to kill you. You have likely eaten it in many foods. Yeah, all those gums are deeply unhealthy, maximally processed, and disrupt normal digestion and the ability to absorb nutrients. If you use that shit, then you are cooking with shit and eating shit, no question whatsoever. Saying any of those gums are healthy is like saying the current president respects women, the environment, immigrants, and the middle class, all absolute lies the gullible have been told and now pass on. And what is this nonsense about "selfishly enjoying" something? Why is it selfish to have a preference? If it is better, why not use better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Dottles said: Low-fat milk is some of the most nutrient intensive healthy food for you. From a heart perspective, non-fat milk is pretty good. Too bad the taste suffers. It's why I prefer oat or almond/cashew hybrid. I only put it on cereal or in my coffee so it's all good. I much prefer the taste of skim milk over whole or 2%. It just tastes better to me. I thought the whole fat variety is supposed to much better for you, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #13 Posted February 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Square Wheels said: Possibly good for me. There is some evidence that animal protein is inflammatory for humans. There's probably just as much evidence that's it's helpful to humans. For me, it was a moral issue. I have struggled with chewing on the flesh of a sentient being all my life. It finally got to be too much and I stopped. Physically, I feel the same. That is the damnable thing about milk, nobody really seems to know if it is helpful, hurtful, or neutral. I have seen some compelling evidence that it curtails stops absorbtion of certain nutrients. That said, other things get through, maybe. No moral issue for me, it is just the food chain. Cows would eat you in a second if you were made of grass. 3 hours ago, Mr. Silly said: I like milk. It is a fine source of protein, vitamin D and calcium. Seems that way on the surface. As I understand it, spinach has the most absorbable form of calcium, and some yahoos say you don't really absorb the calcium from dairy so much. Other folks (the dairy council) have been telling us for decades that it is the best. Do you trust the freaky vegan control freaks that desperately want to have you live the way they think you should live, or the dairy council who may be slightly biased themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #14 Posted February 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I much prefer the taste of skim milk over whole or 2%. It just tastes better to me. I thought the whole fat variety is supposed to much better for you, though. The long standing theory which is being challenged is that the less saturated fat the better. My cardiologist is recommending a Mediterranean Diet so I try to adhere to it as much as possible. Basically it's the less animal or animal by-products the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #15 Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Dottles said: Low-fat milk is some of the most nutrient intensive healthy food for you. From a heart perspective, non-fat milk is pretty good. Both seem like remarkably untrue and completely unverified statements. Just wondering where your "nutrient intensive" and "heart healthy" lists are coming from???? I drink a good bit of milk and eat a good bit of dairy products, but pretending that MANY MANY MANY other foods aren't better for you is dopey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #16 Posted February 29, 2020 Just now, Razors Edge said: Both seem like remarkably untrue and completely unverified statements. Just wondering where your "nutrient intensive" and "heart healthy" lists are coming from???? I drink a good bit of milk and eat a good bit of dairy products, but pretending that MANY MANY MANY other foods aren't better for you is dopey. There is a reason milk is issued to new borns. You can research it yourself. I base heart healthy only in terms of saturated fat content. I keep a running count of sat fat content. That's it for me. Your results may differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 29, 2020 Share #17 Posted February 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Yeah, all those gums are deeply unhealthy, maximally processed, and disrupt normal digestion and the ability to absorb nutrients. If you use that shit, then you are cooking with shit and eating shit, no question whatsoever. Saying any of those gums are healthy is like saying the current president respects women, the environment, immigrants, and the middle class, all absolute lies the gullible have been told and now pass on. And what is this nonsense about "selfishly enjoying" something? Why is it selfish to have a preference? If it is better, why not use better? You are wrong. It's actually prescribed for some maladies. You are not a Dietician nor a doctor, so your opinion on the topic is not something I will take to heart. You likely eat it, and have eaten it. Do you make everything from scratch? If you don't, you have likely eaten it here and there. No need to freak out. From web MD: Xanthan gum is used for lowering blood sugar and total cholesterol in people with diabetes. It is also used as a laxative. Xanthan gum is sometimes used as a saliva substitute in people with dry mouth (Sjogren's syndrome). In manufacturing, xanthan gum is used as a thickening and stabilizing agent in foods, toothpastes, and medicines. Xanthan gum is also an ingredient in some sustained-release pills. How does it work? Xanthan gum swells in the intestine, which stimulates the digestive tract to push stool through. It also might slow the absorption of sugar from the digestive tract and work like saliva to lubricate and wet the mouth in people who don't produce enough saliva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 29, 2020 Share #18 Posted February 29, 2020 Rants from RG make me wonder what he eats in a day. I am willing to bet he eats some of these things he says are terrible. Today I had an egg, an apple with PB, a homemade wheat/oat bun with spinach, cucumber, onion and some cream cheese. Dinner is some veggie stir fry with rice. This is a good menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted February 29, 2020 Share #19 Posted February 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Randomguy said: That is the damnable thing about milk, nobody really seems to know if it is helpful, hurtful, or neutral. I have seen some compelling evidence that it curtails stops absorbtion of certain nutrients. Feed it to your daughter and watch her develop into a beautiful young woman by the age od 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #20 Posted February 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dottles said: There is a reason milk is issued to new borns. You can research it yourself. I base heart healthy only in terms of saturated fat content. I keep a running count of sat fat content. That's it for me. Your results may differ. Human milk is far different than cow milk. I think you're wacky to confuse the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #21 Posted February 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Human milk is far different than cow milk. I think you're wacky to confuse the two. And yet they've fed babies cow milk for eons. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #22 Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dottles said: And yet they've fed babies cow milk for eons. Go figure. Give me your definition of "eon" first. That will go a long way to proving your ignorance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 29, 2020 Share #23 Posted February 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Human milk is far different than cow milk. I think you're wacky to confuse the two. Women would never go for the enslavement though, so we have the cow. HAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #24 Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Razors Edge said: Give me your definition of "eon" first. That will go a long way to proving your ignorance 100 to 1 you drank it as a baby. Hmmmm.... that might explain a lot of things. I mean for everyone in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #25 Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Dottles said: 100 to 1 you drank it as a baby. Hmmmm.... that might explain a lot of things. I mean for everyone in this forum. That doesn't make it good, just common. An "eon" is ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted February 29, 2020 Share #26 Posted February 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dottles said: And yet they've fed babies cow milk for eons. Go figure. The milk, and most food today, is not what it was when I was a kid. High fructose corn syrup, aka lethal poison, did not exist when I was born. I grew up with crap and have eaten it all my life. My diet is better, but we've (Monsanto) have ruined the planet with pesticides and hormones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #27 Posted February 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: ruined the planet Don't do the HYPERBOLE like Dottles!!! Sure, humans have royally screwed the planet, but rest your soul, the planet will be here FAR FAR longer than humans, and what we're doing now will just be a pimple in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #28 Posted February 29, 2020 52 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: You are wrong. It's actually prescribed for some maladies. You are not a Dietician nor a doctor, so your opinion on the topic is not something I will take to heart. You likely eat it, and have eaten it. Do you make everything from scratch? If you don't, you have likely eaten it here and there. No need to freak out. From web MD: Xanthan gum is used for lowering blood sugar and total cholesterol in people with diabetes. It is also used as a laxative. Xanthan gum is sometimes used as a saliva substitute in people with dry mouth (Sjogren's syndrome). In manufacturing, xanthan gum is used as a thickening and stabilizing agent in foods, toothpastes, and medicines. Xanthan gum is also an ingredient in some sustained-release pills. How does it work? Xanthan gum swells in the intestine, which stimulates the digestive tract to push stool through. It also might slow the absorption of sugar from the digestive tract and work like saliva to lubricate and wet the mouth in people who don't produce enough saliva. Yes, all those claims sound completely natural and normal, right? It is chemically processed crap. When that is in a product, it doesn't swell and push things through in your intestines, it stops stuff from flowing through as nature intends, this should be clear as day and should be more than a bit alarming. If something has gums, thickeners, and stabilizers in it, I can guarantee I will have massive all-night reflux, so saying that it isn't harmful doesn't hold water. Of all the people here, you should be looking a lot more closely at the processed crap someone else is telling is "natural" or "healthy". I look at ingredients in what I buy, and I don't buy anything with gums included. I will eat a bunch of crap from time to time, but not anything that gets passed off as "non-harmful" when it clearly is. If what you are making "needs" processed thickeners, then it isn't natural in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #29 Posted February 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Human milk is far different than cow milk. I think you're wacky to confuse the two. How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #30 Posted February 29, 2020 50 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: Rants from RG make me wonder what he eats in a day. I am willing to bet he eats some of these things he says are terrible. Today I had an egg, an apple with PB, a homemade wheat/oat bun with spinach, cucumber, onion and some cream cheese. Dinner is some veggie stir fry with rice. This is a good menu. I bet that on many days, I eat something akin to what you are eating. Today I had pancakes, aloe vera juice, a lettuce and tomato and sourdough sandwich, two oranges, and tonight is going to be a stir fry with tofu, asparagus, yellow squash, red pepper, and onion. If the celery I have is still good, that will go in, too. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #31 Posted February 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Randomguy said: How do you know? I know it may have been a little while for you RG, but there is a DISTINCT difference between a lady's titties and a cow's teats! One OBVIOUS difference is that SW let's me post a cow's teats here!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #32 Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Razors Edge said: Put a bra on that thing! Pretty much the same to all you perverts here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted February 29, 2020 Share #33 Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Randomguy said: Put that in your pipe and smoke it. FTR, like cow's milk, folks used to suggest smoking was "good" for you. Folks smoked for Dottle's length eons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 29, 2020 Share #34 Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Yes, all those claims sound completely natural and normal, right? It is chemically processed crap. When that is in a product, it doesn't swell and push things through in your intestines, it stops stuff from flowing through as nature intends, this should be clear as day and should be more than a bit alarming. If something has gums, thickeners, and stabilizers in it, I can guarantee massive all-night reflux, so saying that it isn't harmful doesn't hold water. Of all the people here, you should be looking a lot more closely at the processed crap someone else is telling is "natural" or "healthy". I look at ingredients in what I buy, and I don't buy anything with gums included. I will eat a bunch of crap from time to time, but not anything that gets passed off as "non-harmful" when it clearly is. So don't eat it if you feel strongly about it. I don't have reflux. Maybe you should look at your diet. Mine seems to agree with me. Actually, it can act as a laxative in medical use. The exact opposite effect of your unsupported claims. You have to consume much more though. It is hard to even consume that much with a normal diet. Likely breathing NY air is way worse than me eating a teensy bit of xanthan. Look in the mirror as you eat your processed pancake mix, before returning with more baloney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 29, 2020 Share #35 Posted February 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I bet that on many days, I eat something akin to what you are eating. Today I had pancakes, aloe vera juice, a lettuce and tomato and sourdough sandwich, two oranges, and tonight is going to be a stir fry with tofu, asparagus, yellow squash, red pepper, and onion. If the celery I have is still good, that will go in, too. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. I bet you didn't make your sourdough. Mine has four ingredients and no dough conditioners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #36 Posted February 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: Look in the mirror as you eat your processed pancake mix, before returning with more baloney. INGREDIENTS: WHITE WHOLE WHEAT FLOUR, WHOLE WHEAT FLOUR, WHEAT PROTEIN ISOLATE, WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHOLE GRAIN OAT FLOUR, MILK PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, LEAVENING (CALCIUM PHOSPHATE, BAKING SODA), BUTTERMILK POWDER, SEA SALT. CONTAINS MILK, WHEAT. Note, no thickeners. Except for the extra protein, pretty much the same ingredients as regular pancakes that I normally make. 7 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: Likely breathing NY air is way worse than me eating a teensy bit of xanthan. I don't claim NY air to be healthy or natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 29, 2020 Share #37 Posted February 29, 2020 It is more common in things like salad dressings, ice creams, sauces. It’s not in bread anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #38 Posted February 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: I bet you didn't make your sourdough. Mine has four ingredients and no dough conditioners. I don't make my own bread, I only get Trader Joe's San Francisco sourdough and stick it in the freezer until I need it. Other than the "enriched"part of the flour, it has three ingredients, flour, water, and salt (plus whatever yeast grows in the starter). INGREDIENTS Unbleached Enriched Flour (Wheat Flour, Barley Malt, Niacin, Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin), Water, Sourdough Starter (Flour and Water), Sea Salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #39 Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Dirtyhip said: It is more common in things like salad dressings, ice creams, sauces. It’s not in bread anyway. I know, most ice cream is garbage. Xantham is the least harmful of the gums, but it sure ain't natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted February 29, 2020 Share #40 Posted February 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I know, most ice cream is garbage. Xantham is the least harmful of the gums, but it sure ain't natural. Neither is thiamine mononitate. That is a synthetic salt, and used widely as B1 You see, rg, lots of foods have pieces of processing here and there. I use a teeny amount and have no issues. You don’t want it, great. Simply don’t use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share #41 Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Randomguy said: I have seen some compelling evidence that it curtails stops absorbtion of certain nutrients. https://youtu.be/gK2E7Q-Cf4A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted March 1, 2020 Share #42 Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Randomguy said: INGREDIENTS: WHITE WHOLE WHEAT FLOUR, WHOLE WHEAT FLOUR, WHEAT PROTEIN ISOLATE, WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHOLE GRAIN OAT FLOUR, MILK PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, LEAVENING (CALCIUM PHOSPHATE, BAKING SODA), BUTTERMILK POWDER, SEA SALT. CONTAINS MILK, WHEAT. Note, no thickeners. Except for the extra protein, pretty much the same ingredients as regular pancakes that I normally make. I don't claim NY air to be healthy or natural. ...wtf is "white whole wheat flour" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share #43 Posted March 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, Page Turner said: ...wtf is "white whole wheat flour" ? It is made from pure xanthan gum, so I know it is good for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted March 1, 2020 Share #44 Posted March 1, 2020 I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's His hair was perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted March 1, 2020 Share #45 Posted March 1, 2020 Dairy from the original source or as close as possible with some centuries old techniques...like some hand made cheeses. I have skim or 1% milk in my cornflakes or oatmeal for breakfast. I've always had a bit of milk from the carton or jug...for past few decades. I may have a small slice of cheese ...the artisan stuff or stuff that's been aged, etc. several times a wk. Interesting my 81 yr. mother drinks skim milk daily. She only started a yr. ago. She figures it's good for her. After all, she made sure all her children drank milk daily. (even though my parents never had dairy based diet). I'm glad. In my generation of Asians born in Canada you can sort of see the bone structure differences with the older generation..and height of children. That's the comparison point if you want to compare differences in a family in diet cross cultural, generational way. So I believe in dairy in moderation, low fat and daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted March 1, 2020 Share #46 Posted March 1, 2020 What aboot shitkickers and Methodists? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share #47 Posted March 1, 2020 Just now, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: What aboot shitkickers and Methodists? I was wondering when someone was going to ask about them! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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