sheep_herder ★ Posted June 13, 2020 Share #1851 Posted June 13, 2020 First local case was reported Thursday afternoon. Three other cases were reported earlier, but they brought it with them from another state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share #1852 Posted June 13, 2020 Just now, sheep_herder said: First local case was reported Thursday afternoon. Three other cases were reported earlier, but they brought it with them from another state. Probably by self-centered guys like me ignoring the travel bans and heading across states seeking vacations. But I give you my word that I'm taking this stuff very seriously and have no plans in coming into contact with anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share #1853 Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: First local case was reported Thursday afternoon. Three other cases were reported earlier, but they brought it with them from another state. i read they had one case in Baker County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted June 13, 2020 Share #1854 Posted June 13, 2020 On the other hand, the following is a good read about some of what has been learned about dealing with covid and how the most sick are treated. Knowledge changes how things are done from time to time. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-icu-doctors-have-learned-about-covid-19-how-they-n1225801 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted June 13, 2020 Share #1855 Posted June 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: On the other hand, the following is a good read about some of what has been learned about dealing with covid and how the most sick are treated. Knowledge changes how things are done from time to time. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-icu-doctors-have-learned-about-covid-19-how-they-n1225801 Very good article - thanks! Yup, learning form experience is awesome. Here's another good one. https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/advice-on-reopening-activies-er-doctor.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted June 13, 2020 Share #1856 Posted June 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: Very good article - thanks! Yup, learning form experience is awesome. Here's another good one. https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/advice-on-reopening-activies-er-doctor.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab Interesting read. Slate has some strange articles however. Found in the list below this article: My Husband is Fine—but My Desire for a Well-Endowed Man Is Getting Out of Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted June 13, 2020 Share #1857 Posted June 13, 2020 17 hours ago, Allen said: Getting close now in my county. We have one hospital with 77 beds, 53 are occupied by covid patients. Autumn is going to be interesting. Michigan and Georgia have about the same population but Georgia has almost 52,000 active cases to Michigan's 17,600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted June 13, 2020 Share #1858 Posted June 13, 2020 They are different though. <redacted> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen ★ Posted June 13, 2020 Share #1859 Posted June 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mr. Grumpy said: Michigan and Georgia have about the same population but Georgia has almost 52,000 active cases to Michigan's 17,600 How open is Michigan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted June 13, 2020 Share #1860 Posted June 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, Mr. Grumpy said: Michigan and Georgia have about the same population but Georgia has almost 52,000 active cases to Michigan's 17,600 The difference is quite possibly the governor’s different approaches and restrictions, a reasonable person could conclude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted June 13, 2020 Share #1861 Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Allen said: How open is Michigan? We're kinda open unless you ask a certain someone from the west side of the state. A lot of restriction (i.e. barbers and sit in restaurants at 1/2 capacity) will be lifted next week. I don't know about movie theaters, casinos and other entertainment venues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted June 13, 2020 Share #1862 Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Randomguy said: The difference is quite possibly the governor’s different approaches and restrictions, a reasonable person could conclude. Definitely. At one point, Michigan had the 3rd most cases after New York and New Jersey. We've got the 9th most now. We are fortunate to have effective leadership here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1863 Posted June 14, 2020 Cross Canada statistics published today: https://globalnews.ca/news/6649164/canada-coronavirus-cases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share #1864 Posted June 14, 2020 State confirms 367 new COVID-19 cases, including nine deaths State health officials confirmed 367 new COVID-19 cases in Washington on Saturday, as well as nine additional deaths. The update brings the state’s totals to 25,538 cases and 1,213 deaths, meaning 4.7% of people diagnosed in Washington have died, according to the state Department of Health’s (DOH) data dashboard. The data is as of 11:59 p.m. Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share #1865 Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, shootingstar said: Cross Canada statistics published today: https://globalnews.ca/news/6649164/canada-coronavirus-cases/ Northwest Territories, baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1866 Posted June 14, 2020 45 minutes ago, Dottles said: Northwest Territories, baby! That’s total population, not Covid cases. I’m in Erie today. It’s a totally different vibe than in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, now “green”, has near universal mask wearing wherever you go. Erie, still “yellow” due to continuing rise in Covid cases, has a far more vitriolic attitude towards our Governor’s interventions. People wear masks in stores, as per the law, but nowhere else. I see no masks and no social distancing at the boat yard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen ★ Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1867 Posted June 14, 2020 52 minutes ago, Dottles said: Northwest Territories, baby! That could be half the population of the Northwest Territories 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1868 Posted June 14, 2020 58 minutes ago, Dottles said: Northwest Territories, baby! This little virus does find it's way around. Is there anywhere with no infection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1869 Posted June 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, Further said: Is there anywhere with no infection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1870 Posted June 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bikeguy said: Truvalu? We don’t have one of those, our hardware store choices are Lowe’s, Homedepot, Ace and a locally owned, independent store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share #1871 Posted June 14, 2020 51 minutes ago, Bikeguy said: I'm guessing because nobody goes in and out of North Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1872 Posted June 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Truvalu? We don’t have one of those, our hardware store choices are Lowe’s, Homedepot, Ace and a locally owned, independent store. The independent could be tru value, it is like a supplier. There are a few others too. I think ours is DoItBest You weren’t Sirius but I answered siriusly. Tuvalu! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1873 Posted June 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Further said: This little virus does find it's way around. Is there anywhere with no infection? It's infectious as hell. Some places are doing better than others though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1874 Posted June 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Dottles said: I'm guessing because nobody goes in and out of North Korea. By “nobody” I’ll assume you mean information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share #1875 Posted June 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: By “nobody” I’ll assume you mean information. No, Nobody is a friend of Nowhere man. He's got the virus but he's undetectable. Or is it a she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1876 Posted June 14, 2020 What's sad, scary, and shocking (mildly) is that some states & governors are going with the "less (information) is more (cover for them politically)" approach. It would be criminal in a properly functioning society (to lie and/or withhold important & PUBLIC-owned information), but in 2020, where we truly see that a fish rots from the head, it's not likely that many will be "punished" beyond the folks who die from COVID. Add in the "wouldn't they die from something anyway" narrative that has been woven in, and I'd say, while I am not worried too much about myself, older folks should be very wary of thinking their location is "fine" or "safe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1877 Posted June 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said: By “nobody” I’ll assume you mean information. Exactly.... the sub title contained the words "not reported". So either they have no cases or they just don't report their cases of the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1878 Posted June 14, 2020 40 minutes ago, Bikeguy said: So either they have no cases or they just don't report their cases of the virus. While I know travel to/from North Korea may be minimal, I still don’t think it’s much of a question as to which it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen ★ Posted June 14, 2020 Share #1879 Posted June 14, 2020 A good friend of mine moved to the Marshall Islands a few years ago to teach. When the virus started they shut their borders down. No incoming or outgoing flights since March. They only allow supply ships and won’t let crew disembark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1880 Posted June 15, 2020 Locally, now up to 8 confirmed cases. I am concerned 'the gate has been opened'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1881 Posted June 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: Locally, now up to 8 confirmed cases. I am concerned 'the gate has been opened'! https://montana.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7c34f3412536439491adcc2103421d4b 8 is still less than the 178 cases in our county. Custer county's population about 11,000. LaSalle county's population about 110,000. Your still a factor of 2 better off than my county. Then again testing seems to be lacking compared to the number of people who actually has (or had) the virus. That's why I look more at the number of deaths attributed to the virus. LaSalle county has had 16 deaths. The state of Montana (about 1 million in population) has had 19 deaths. That tells me you are probably safer than I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1882 Posted June 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bikeguy said: https://montana.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7c34f3412536439491adcc2103421d4b 8 is still less than the 178 cases in our county. Custer county's population about 11,000. LaSalle county's population about 110,000. Your still a factor of 2 better off than my county. Then again testing seems to be lacking compared to the number of people who actually has (or had) the virus. That's why I look more at the number of deaths attributed to the virus. LaSalle county has had 16 deaths. The state of Montana (about 1 million in population) has had 19 deaths. That tells me you are probably safer than I am. Is this a contest? I thin not!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share #1883 Posted June 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Bikeguy said: That's why I look more at the number of deaths attributed to the virus. LaSalle county has had 16 deaths. The state of Montana (about 1 million in population) has had 19 deaths. That tells me you are probably safer than I am. Last I saw Washington was just under 5%. That's about 1 in 20. i must say though,I think I'd have a good shot at that 1 in 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1884 Posted June 15, 2020 9 hours ago, sheep_herder said: Is this a contest? I thin not!! No... this isn't a contest at all. I was trying to say you are in a much safer location compared to my location, Then again, using the contest analogy, Montana is winning.... Like golf, low score wins. Compared to all of the continuous 48 states, MT has the lowest death rate per million of population. The data is sorted best to worst. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Sorting the list, worst to best... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Grass Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1885 Posted June 15, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 8:36 PM, Dottles said: Agreed. That was the most pathetic post I've ever read from him. More right wing conspiracies. The nutbags out in the street are going to take this to a new level. A lot of those folks are going to get it. But he'll have some excuse about his civil liberties. Please @Kzoo go out to as many restaurants with your church friends. It's totally safe. On 6/12/2020 at 8:41 PM, Randomguy said: Yeah, I edited myself a good bit on that one. You can do much better than this, Kzoo. Mighty tall horses you cowboys are riding. Thankfully we have you here to set @Kzoo straight for having a different POV than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1886 Posted June 15, 2020 55 minutes ago, Bikeguy said: No... this isn't a contest at all. I was trying to say you are in a much safer location compared to my location, Then again, using the contest analogy, Montana is winning.... Like golf, low score wins. Compared to all of the continuous 48 states, MT has the lowest death rate per million of population. The data is sorted best to worst. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Sorting the list, worst to best... I look at it with the overlay of population density as well. As the charts show - with "density rank" next to the state name, pretty much the denser the state, the more COVID. With the exception of Hawaii and its isolation, the trends are pretty obvious and show that folks in Montana, while seeing some cases, just don't have the density for it ever to skyrocket their numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1887 Posted June 15, 2020 Yes, we are glad to be living where we do within the state and out of town. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1888 Posted June 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: Yes, we are glad to be living where we do within the state and out of town. Yep density of states, but also density of the various parts of the states is hugely important. Limit exposure to the denser parts of the nation, state, county, neighborhood, and your odds keep improving. You are almost as remote as you can get without being out in the boonies of Alaska! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1889 Posted June 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Razors Edge said: the trends are pretty obvious and show that folks in Montana, while seeing some cases, just don't have the density for it ever to skyrocket their numbers. The exceptions would be Nebraska, Iowa and South Dakota. They have pretty high Cases / 1 million for how sparsely they're populated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1890 Posted June 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr. Grumpy said: They have pretty high Cases / 1 million for how sparsely they're populated. IMO.. The problem with using the number of cases per million, is how the testing has been done. Or hasn't been done.... How many millions of people in more populated areas have had the virus with mild symptoms that were never tested positive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1891 Posted June 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mr. Grumpy said: The exceptions would be Nebraska, Iowa and South Dakota. They have pretty high Cases / 1 million for how sparsely they're populated. Don't forget, those are areas with big meat packing facilities, that were very hard hit with the virus. Lack of density for a whole state kind of loses meaning, when you have some very high density pockets that are hard hit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share #1892 Posted June 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Goat Geddah said: Mighty tall horses you cowboys are riding. Thankfully we have you here to set @Kzoo straight for having a different POV than you. Don't tell me you don't know how diseases work either. It's not very hard when you are married to somebody that works in healthcare and has first hand accounts of what's going on. I honestly don't care about how you or Kzoo think about it. Nor anybody here really. But if you're going to put hocus pocus shit out there, I've got a few good UFO stories for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1893 Posted June 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, Mr. Grumpy said: The exceptions would be Nebraska, Iowa and South Dakota. They have pretty high Cases / 1 million for how sparsely they're populated. A LOT plays into the story and the stats. Nebraska, Iowa, and SD all have areas with "high density" whether cities or factories, so those are the likely hotspots. The density stuff, though, lets us look at who is punching above their weights (and who is underperforming). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1894 Posted June 15, 2020 The first month or so of high deaths in the Mid-Atlantic States featured 60% to 80% of deaths occurring in Nursing Homes. I'm wondering if the lower death rates now are due to the most vulnerable being previously culled from the herd? Someone told me that deaths due to Heart Disease, Cancer, etc. are down so maybe COVID-19-attributed deaths are inflated due other primary causes, like flu deaths are. There may be some truth there, but I've never heard of the flu wiping out more than half the patients in a lot of nursing homes within two months. Those Hospitalized for C19 in Maryland fell from a high of 1707 to 745 now and the 6 deaths in the last 24 hours are the lowest since the state's site began listing them at the beginning of April. In my 620K population county, the 16 new cases are the fewest reported in 24 hrs since March 30th despite much more testing now. Still, the 5-day moving daily-case avg. for my county, 57, hasn't fallen much in the past two months. Hopefully, the numbers will drop low but some restrictions will be kept in place until a vaccine and/or strong treatment are found. My biggest fear is that things will get too lax - like Philadelphia in September 1918 when it assumed the Spanish Flu Pandemic was done, held a hugely-attended World War Liberty Loan Parade, and was whacked with a new wave of flu deaths. Or like Tchaikovsky being tired of the Cholera Epidemic in 1893 St. Petersburg, not bothering to boil water before drinking it, and dying of cholera soon after. Still, the Maryland numbers look promising, despite Memorial Day beach crowds and Phase-two reopenings kicking in (the last several Date of Death numbers will rise slightly as delayed reports come in): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1895 Posted June 15, 2020 IMO the lower death rates now are because doctors have learned a lot about treating the virus in the past 5 months. There are far fewer people going on ventilators than at first because it's been learned that they don't work very well. Other methods have proven to work better. High flow nasal oxygen is now used. It wasn't at first because "the word" was that this raised the risk that doctors and nurses had to take. Here is an article that points to some of the many changes that have taken place. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-icu-doctors-have-learned-about-covid-19-how-they-n1225801 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1896 Posted June 15, 2020 My county: Cases –324– That is three more cases in the past 48 hours Total deaths – 22 – that’s one more death reported in the past 48 hours Hospitalized – 54 – that’s one more hospitalization in the past 48 hours The county next door: Cases – 5,172 – that’s 83 new cases reported in the past 48 hours Total deaths – 152 – that’s two deaths reported in the past 48 hours Hospitalized – 774 – That is 5 more hospitalizations reported in the last 48 hours 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share #1897 Posted June 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Allen said: My county: Cases –324– That is three more cases in the past 48 hours Total deaths – 22 – that’s one more death reported in the past 48 hours Hospitalized – 54 – that’s one more hospitalization in the past 48 hours The county next door: Cases – 5,172 – that’s 83 new cases reported in the past 48 hours Total deaths – 152 – that’s two deaths reported in the past 48 hours Hospitalized – 774 – That is 5 more hospitalizations reported in the last 48 hours But the curve, Allen. The curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1898 Posted June 15, 2020 2 hours ago, MickinMD said: Someone told me that deaths due to Heart Disease, Cancer, etc. are down so maybe COVID-19-attributed deaths are inflated due other primary causes, like flu deaths are. These are the standard "who told you" and "what were their sources" sort of questions. A phrase heard way too much these days to spread lies is "People are telling me..." without any more details than that. 1 hour ago, maddmaxx said: IMO the lower death rates now are because doctors have learned a lot about treating the virus in the past 5 months. Definitely has to have a large impact along with processes in place to specifically treat COVID so it doesn't overwhelm a hospital as easily. 2 hours ago, MickinMD said: Still, the Maryland numbers look promising, despite Memorial Day beach crowds and Phase-two reopenings kicking in (the last several Date of Death numbers will rise slightly as delayed reports come in): I would LOVE to see Florida's numbers. I wonder if there will be repercussions to withholding and even twisting the true situation in Florida or if that's just the new normal that folks can expect. Mick's charts on Florida's raw data would help explain why they aren't high on the charts BikeGuy posted (they are tenth densest US state). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1899 Posted June 15, 2020 Interesting comment by a lady about the new cases in Miles City; "Eleven confirmed and if they shopped at Wal-Mart, all southeastern MT is doomed. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1900 Posted June 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, sheep_herder said: if they shopped at Wal-Mart, Is there really an "if" here???? It is more a "when" isn't it? But you all probably have the contact tracing down by now, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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