Wilbur ★ Posted March 24, 2020 Share #51 Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, roadsue said: I’m not buying into your supply-side reasoning. Interesting article: https://hbr.org/2020/03/that-discomfort-youre-feeling-is-grief Good, I am not selling it. You keep on believing there should be testing available for 400 million people for a virus that he's been known for four months.. Novo- new. But you know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted March 24, 2020 Share #52 Posted March 24, 2020 Locally, we are low on kits. There is lack of supply. VA Hospital has 6, Six. Not sure if that changed since the other day. Hospital has the same report. Don't come unless you are short of breath. Only people being tested are ones that exhibit symptoms and are really really sick. Otherwise, go home and get better. Stay in your home. We have never experienced anything like this. I hope next time, we will be better prepared. Like, have a lot of excess PPE. Just i time inventory is NOT working. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted March 24, 2020 Share #53 Posted March 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Good, I am not selling it. You keep on believing there should be testing available for 400 million people for a virus that he's been known for four months.. Novo- new. But you know that. Cat's kind of out of the bag at this point but it's clear we sucked ass not being prepared to deal with something like this. I hope next time we've given time and resources to testing stations or whatever to begin testing immediately and trying to get a grip on this thing. The empty words of the CDC mean nothing. If testing stations were available early on, this thing could have been better quarantined. Not a given -- but a WAY better shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted March 24, 2020 Share #54 Posted March 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dottles said: Cat's kind of out of the bag at this point but it's clear we sucked ass not being prepared to deal with something like this. I hope next time we've given time and resources to testing stations or whatever to begin testing immediately and trying to get a grip on this thing. The empty words of the CDC mean nothing. If testing stations were available early on, this thing could have been better quarantined. Not a given -- but a WAY better shot. I don't dispute the value of testing at all. I believe a certain Representative from the Bay Area is holding up relief funding. I hope you get it soon. Look at the supplies you can't get, masks, gloves, gowns. Not to mention the breathing apparatus. Now, China, hiding and destroying early information set the stage for the pandemic. It should never have become one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted March 24, 2020 Share #55 Posted March 24, 2020 My husband, a very rational dude said "I hope if you get sick, that you do it sooner than later." What he is saying is that if I were to get really sick and need a vent, I may not get one. Personally, I believe our medical system is poorly set up and the shit storm has not even really hit yet. I am wondering if serious triage is happening in NYC Our hospital set up tents in preparation. Tents. Hospital sent out patterns for people to dust off sewing machines and make masks. Homemade masks. If this is not sobering, I don't know what is. 52 K now, I am estimating hitting 100K by Saturday. Mark it. I hope I am wrong. I really do. Americans are selfish idiots, mostly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted March 24, 2020 Share #56 Posted March 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: My husband, a very rational dude said "I hope if you get sick, that you do it sooner than later." What he is saying is that if I were to get really sick and need a vent, I may not get one. Personally, I believe our medical system is poorly set up and the shit storm has not even really hit yet. I am wondering if serious triage is happening in NYC Our hospital set up tents in preparation. Tents. Hospital sent out patterns for people to dust off sewing machines and make masks. Homemade masks. If this is not sobering, I don't know what is. 52 K now, I am estimating hitting 100K by Saturday. Mark it. I hope I am wrong. I really do. Americans are selfish idiots, mostly. My wife works in healthcare too and those folks are already on the brink of collapse. There are some inspiring stories though coming out of our communities. A local furniture and airline parts manufacturer has converted his business into one that simply makes masks and face guards. It's pretty awesome. https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/mukilteo-manufacturer-switches-from-making-couches-to-surgical-masks-to-help-hospitals Providence Senior Vice President Jennifer Bayersdorfer says for its 51 hospitals, roughly 10 million masks are needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted March 24, 2020 Share #57 Posted March 24, 2020 My covid feelings are sadness and fear. I fear my husband's safety. I fear my own health and safety. I fear for everyone's safety. Also, I have regret. I regret not paying better attention. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted March 24, 2020 Share #58 Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: My covid feelings are sadness and fear. I fear my husband's safety. I fear my own health and safety. I fear for everyone's safety. Also, I have regret. I regret not paying better attention. But you were and are in a much more remote area. I and almost everyone else would have done the same. Stop beating yourself up, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 24, 2020 Share #59 Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Wilbur said: It isn't that testing is so limited, it is that demand is so big. University if Pittsburgh is able to test 60 people a day. I think that’s limited testing in our location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dirtyhip Posted March 24, 2020 Popular Post Share #60 Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Dottles said: But you were and are in a much more remote area. I and almost everyone else would have done the same. Stop beating yourself up, please. We operate in our own little bubbles of comfort. I do know now that I am in my bubble. We have food. Our home is safe and warm. My husband loves me and works hard to protect me. I don't really need much else, despite thinking I did. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted March 24, 2020 Share #61 Posted March 24, 2020 2 hours ago, roadsue said: And...found out on Sunday that my nephew who lives in NYC has Covid-19 symptoms, but cannot get tested. He’s pretty sure he’s got it, though. I feel disheartened that testing is so limited. I hope that means his symptoms aren't too severe at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 24, 2020 Share #62 Posted March 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: "I hope if you get sick, that you do it sooner than later." What he is saying is that if I were to get really sick and need a vent, I may not get one. I said the same thing in general terms today, but I believe the early phase has already passed. We’re very soon to be in the over run health care capacity stage. And in some areas, we already are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 24, 2020 Share #63 Posted March 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: 52 K now, I am estimating hitting 100K by Saturday. Mark it. I hope I am wrong. I really do. Americans are selfish idiots, mostly. I share both sentiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted March 24, 2020 Share #64 Posted March 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: We operate in our own little bubbles of comfort. I do know now that I am in my bubble. We have food. Our home is safe and warm. My husband loves me and works hard to protect me. I don't really need much else, despite thinking I did. I don't think you did anything wrong. It's not really a problem until it becomes a problem -- or threatens to become a problem. Even when nursing homes had folks dying out here I hadn't completely bought in. It wasn't until they found the teenager high school kid some ten miles away with no relationship to anybody sick test positive for covid-19 that I awoke. From that moment on, I knew it was here to stay. I tried to inform folks in this forum of that and understandably they may have noted it but had a wait-and-see attitude -- exactly what I and most folks would have done. Besides, there wasn't much they/we could have done anyway. Just like your husband, my wife works in the medical field so no matter how much precaution we use -- chances are anything that is passed on will come from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 24, 2020 Share #65 Posted March 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, Wilbur said: I don't dispute the value of testing at all. I believe a certain Representative from the Bay Area is holding up relief funding. I hope you get it soon. Look at the supplies you can't get, masks, gloves, gowns. Not to mention the breathing apparatus. Now, China, hiding and destroying early information set the stage for the pandemic. It should never have become one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 24, 2020 Share #66 Posted March 24, 2020 I am tired of everyone's feelings, please stop having them. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted March 24, 2020 Share #67 Posted March 24, 2020 10 million masks estimated what is needed for 51 healthcare facilities in the 2-3 most populous counties in my state. I hate to think how many are needed in California or New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted March 24, 2020 Share #68 Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I am tired of everyone's feelings, please stop having them. Thank you. What version of android are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 24, 2020 Share #69 Posted March 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dottles said: hate Hate is a feeling. Please cease and desist, all your feelz are canceled . Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted March 24, 2020 Share #70 Posted March 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Hate is a feeling. Please cease and desist, all your feelz are canceled . Thank you. I thought about you as I pushed my thumb through the safety foil on my pill bottle. I didn't pull the rest off. Don't care at all that there was foil left on the edges. I am a savage. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 24, 2020 Share #71 Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, Dirtyhip said: I thought about you as I pushed my thumb through the safety foil on my pill bottle. I didn't pull the rest off. Don't care at all that there was foil left on the edges. I am a savage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted March 24, 2020 Share #72 Posted March 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I am tired of everyone's feelings, please stop having them. Thank you. I have a lot of feelings about this post. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted March 24, 2020 Share #73 Posted March 24, 2020 53 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: University if Pittsburgh is able to test 60 people a day. I think that’s limited testing in our location? 4 months ago, this virus was unknown. Testing protocol ramped up pretty quickly but supplies take time to procure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted March 24, 2020 Share #74 Posted March 24, 2020 47 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: We operate in our own little bubbles of comfort. I do know now that I am in my bubble. We have food. Our home is safe and warm. My husband loves me and works hard to protect me. I don't really need much else, despite thinking I did. I think it's possible to be both grateful for the good things we have and still recognize that there is some uncertainty and anxiety that can impact us. My own concern doesn't diminish the fact that I recognize so many more people are sacrificing on the front line or are being impacted more harshly. I'm sure you'll see this more than many with your spouse in the medical field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 24, 2020 Share #75 Posted March 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Kirby said: I have a lot of feelings about this post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 24, 2020 Share #76 Posted March 24, 2020 46 minutes ago, Wilbur said: 4 months ago, this virus was unknown. Testing protocol ramped up pretty quickly but supplies take time to procure. I agree that it’s great to have testing available so fast, but there are way more people who need testing than are able to be tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted March 24, 2020 Share #77 Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby said: I hope that means his symptoms aren't too severe at this point. He’s aware. I hope his immune response manages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted March 24, 2020 Share #78 Posted March 24, 2020 At my work there is still a lot of denial, they think it will blow over in a week or so and the stock market will come roaring back. One of the younger dipshits calls it thinning the herd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted March 24, 2020 Share #79 Posted March 24, 2020 4 hours ago, roadsue said: And...found out on Sunday that my nephew who lives in NYC has Covid-19 symptoms, but cannot get tested. He’s pretty sure he’s got it, though. I feel disheartened that testing is so limited. yep-- most of the people with symptoms are not getting tested here in NY because there are not enough tests. Tests being saved for the sickest among us. This means the NY numbers are artificially low. At least in my county, they are quarantining people with symptoms but not tested so hopefully this will help. One of my principals is now in that situation with one healthy child and one sick child plus herself sick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted March 24, 2020 Share #80 Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Airehead said: yep-- most of the people with symptoms are not getting tested here in NY because there are not enough tests. Tests being saved for the sickest among us. This means the NY numbers are artificially low. At least in my county, they are quarantining people with symptoms but not tested so hopefully this will help. One of my principals is now in that situation with one healthy child and one sick child plus herself sick. It’s grievable. The article I linked earlier has helped me understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groupw Posted March 25, 2020 Share #81 Posted March 25, 2020 The father of one of our daughter’s best friends is in quarantine with symptoms. He lives in Omaha which has the highest amount of cases. It’s hitting home. I went home today with aches, sore throat and fever. I feel more like the flu, but the DR office is seeing me tomorrow. My boss is going through treatment for bladder cancer and his immunity is compromised. Staying away from the store at the moment for his safety as well as being the right thing to do. Working from home when I can. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Posted March 25, 2020 Share #82 Posted March 25, 2020 Thoughts and prayers @groupw. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted March 25, 2020 Share #83 Posted March 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, groupw said: The father of one of our daughter’s best friends is in quarantine with symptoms. He lives in Omaha which has the highest amount of cases. It’s hitting home. I went home today with aches, sore throat and fever. I feel more like the flu, but the DR office is seeing me tomorrow. My boss is going through treatment for bladder cancer and his immunity is compromised. Staying away from the store at the moment for his safety as well as being the right thing to do. Working from home when I can. Get well groupw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted March 25, 2020 Share #84 Posted March 25, 2020 Good luck, groupw! We'll be sending good vibes to all involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted March 25, 2020 Share #85 Posted March 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Wilbur said: Maybe he was basing his guesstimate of early Chinese propaganda. I went back and re-read our Jan 25 e-mail exchange. To be honest, I think he’s very fixed on the medical establishment’s take, which in January was that this is a virus that came from eating wild animals and wouldn’t take hold here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted March 25, 2020 Share #86 Posted March 25, 2020 All this makes me so sad. Reading RG talk about how to make a ventilator. So many names here talking about it hitting close to home. PP talking about not feeling well. Aire's kids in need. It just sucks. My husband is being tapped to work palliative again. A doc asked him to help and said he is the best palliative nurse he has ever worked with. What this means is that he will be at bedside when someone is being denied ventilator, and watching people die of suffocation. He used to do palliative full time, and went to another dept. It's a depressing job. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 25, 2020 Share #87 Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffJim said: I went back and re-read our Jan 25 e-mail exchange. To be honest, I think he’s very fixed on the medical establishment’s take, which in January was that this is a virus that came from eating wild animals and wouldn’t take hold here. Would you say your brother is more conservative or liberal in his political orientation? Because that seems to have influenced a lot of “early” opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 25, 2020 Share #88 Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffJim said: I went back and re-read our Jan 25 e-mail exchange. To be honest, I think he’s very fixed on the medical establishment’s take, which in January was that this is a virus that came from eating wild animals and wouldn’t take hold here. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-discovered-us-south-korea/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted March 25, 2020 Share #89 Posted March 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Would you say your brother is more conservative or liberal in his political orientation? Because that seems to have influenced a lot of “early” opinions. Liberal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 25, 2020 Share #90 Posted March 25, 2020 4 hours ago, maddmaxx said: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-discovered-us-south-korea/ And South Korea would have done an even better job is “super-spreader” patient #31 hadn’t gotten nearly 100 people ill by herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 25, 2020 Share #91 Posted March 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, BuffJim said: Liberal Interesting. I would have though a liberal infectious disease physician would have sensed the alarm. But then again, just a week ago 62% of Americans thought our Covid anxiety was overblown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 25, 2020 Share #92 Posted March 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Interesting. I would have though a liberal infectious disease physician would have sensed the alarm. But then again, just a week ago 62% of Americans thought our Covid anxiety was overblown. Most liberals and republicans fall in the ‘moderate’ category, and thus are far more ‘big picture than the alarmist assholes on either fringe that the media loves. That said, I am very surprised that a physician wouldn’t at least look at human history with disease and at least sense the potential for a huge problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted March 25, 2020 Share #93 Posted March 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Most liberals and republicans fall in the ‘moderate’ category, and thus are far more ‘big picture than the alarmist assholes on either fringe that the media loves. That said, I am very surprised that a physician wouldn’t at least look at human history with disease and at least sense the potential for a huge problem. And yet sometimes the moderate majority is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 25, 2020 Share #94 Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: And yet sometimes the moderate majority is wrong. True, a lot of people had this wrong who should know better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 25, 2020 Share #95 Posted March 25, 2020 Taiwan had specialists in Wuhan on or before Jan 12 studying the virus. You have to understand the level of cooperation involved here for the PRC to work with specialists from Taiwan. Taiwan initiated a strong response to the virus based on this information immediately. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted March 25, 2020 Share #96 Posted March 25, 2020 10 hours ago, groupw said: The father of one of our daughter’s best friends is in quarantine with symptoms. He lives in Omaha which has the highest amount of cases. It’s hitting home. I went home today with aches, sore throat and fever. I feel more like the flu, but the DR office is seeing me tomorrow. My boss is going through treatment for bladder cancer and his immunity is compromised. Staying away from the store at the moment for his safety as well as being the right thing to do. Working from home when I can. Hopefully you test positive for flu type A. I have never said that to anyone before. Getting away from the politics and back to the purpose of this thread ( hint, hint to others) — it makes me sad to think that wishing the flu on a friend is the best thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groupw Posted March 25, 2020 Share #97 Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Airehead said: Hopefully you test positive for flu type A. I have never said that to anyone before. Getting away from the politics and back to the purpose of this thread ( hint, hint to others) — it makes me sad to think that wishing the flu on a friend is the best thing. It’s crazy, but you’re right. My Dr office has created a separate respiratory wing inside their office. I’m glad they are isolating the patients, but caused a little more concern for me. The lady who came in behind me sounded awful! Luckily we did not ride the elevator at the same time. I’m more concerned about being exposed to her than what I am carrying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend_Maynard Posted March 25, 2020 Share #98 Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, groupw said: It’s crazy, but you’re right. My Dr office has created a separate respiratory wing inside their office. I’m glad they are isolating the patients, but caused a little more concern for me. The lady who came in behind me sounded awful! Luckily we did not ride the elevator at the same time. I’m more concerned about being exposed to her than what I am carrying! I hear that.... If I get sick. I'll die at home before i go to a hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted March 25, 2020 Share #99 Posted March 25, 2020 My feelings now are extreme anger. CDC has lowered the guidelines for face masks. Medical staff can now use a bandana, when supplies run out. Bandanas do not really provide protection. Had a talk with my husband about this mask thing. I asked about this inventory shortage. He said that you can't really stock up on that, because they have a shelf life. The elastic or rubber degrades. This whole thing just blindsided the world. Our medical workers are working like staff in a 3rd world disaster zone. I don't even have the energy to say my usual word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Karen_Cooper_Incident Posted March 25, 2020 Share #100 Posted March 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: My feelings now are extreme anger. Don't forget to be angry with the CCP. I have a feeling this might lead to a world war against the China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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