dinneR ★ Posted April 19, 2020 Share #101 Posted April 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Further said: Tiny little radishes are popping up. Surprised me, I thought the snow and frost we had last week would have killed them. We can't even open the gate to our gardens because the snow is too deep. It's going to be a while before I plant. I might get some pots and dirt for my deck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted April 21, 2020 Share #102 Posted April 21, 2020 Planted some lettuce and broccoli, Pic of tiny radish plants 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen ★ Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share #103 Posted April 22, 2020 Got the fencing up today. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted April 22, 2020 Share #104 Posted April 22, 2020 I've been thinking about fencing, long term I know I'll need it. But I'm not sure of where and how big the garden will be, and there is a shed and possibly a green house in the mix. My Nemesis the woodchuck did me a favor and committed suicide by car, the grass was greener across the road..... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted April 22, 2020 Share #105 Posted April 22, 2020 Here is something to think about. I had been planning to buy a load of manure, now I'm not so sure. You are here: Home / Article / Beware: This Manure Will Destroy Your Garden Beware: This Manure Will Destroy Your Garden by David The Good 66 Comments 4.1KSHARES Manure is generally considered one of the best amendments you can add to your garden. At least it used to be. Here’s how manure in the garden may actually destroy your soil and plants for a long time. This article may contain affiliate links. Please read my disclosure for more info. The following article was written by David the Good of The Survival Gardener. David and I first connected after he wrote an honest and thorough review of my book, ‘The Suburban Micro-Farm’, for Mother Earth News. David is an expert at home-scale food production and I was thrilled that he enjoyed it. The truth is, herbicide-laced manure is a widespread problem that can completely destroy a garden. David has been on the front lines of this problem and was one of the first to sound the alarm. I’m grateful he’s sharing this information with us so that we may prevent this devastating and costly misfortune from occurring in our own gardens. — Amy This Manure Will Destroy Your Garden! Manure is rich in nitrogen, organic matter and a variety of minerals, adding nutrition and tilth to the soil and ensuring rich harvests of green and happy vegetables. It’s generally considered to be one of the best amendments you can add to your garden. At least it used to be. Now adding manure to your garden is playing Russian roulette with your plants. There’s a very good chance that it will completely destroy your beds and cause your plants to grow into twisted parodies of their proper growth pattern before dying ugly and unproductive deaths. Here’s how. Report this ad A Load of Manure is a Gardener’s Paradise…Naturally Some time back I did a very normal thing for an organic gardener: I bought a trailer of manure from a local dairy farm and had it dropped in my front yard. I then proceeded to spread it across multiple beds, add it around the trees in my front yard food forest, and turn it into the ground along the front fence line where I was planting dozens of newly purchased thornless blackberries. >>>Read more about creating food forests. A few weeks later, I planted my gardens – and everything started going very, very wrong. My transplanted tomatoes and eggplants started to twist up. They were still green, but their leaves were thick and curled and the amount of new growth was much smaller than it should have been. Something was very wrong. My thought upon seeing the weird growth in my tomatoes and eggplants was that I was dealing with a virus. They were both Solanaceae family – maybe it was some weird and horrible disease I’d never seen before? Then some of the edges of the blackberry leaves started twisting and turning brown. A virus wouldn’t jump families – blackberries are Rosaceae! I had to look elsewhere. I noticed the blackberry leaves were deep green, despite their strange growth. Perhaps there was too much nitrogen in the manure? The manure had been composted for over six months, according to the farmer. And it certainly didn’t look or smell fresh. It was earthy and crumbly, well-aged stuff. It looked just like something you’d want to add to your garden. Then the mulberry tree started looking weird. And the pecan trees and the olive exhibited the same symptoms. Would you like to learn more about using soil amendments safely in the garden? You’ll find more information like this in my award-winning book, The Suburban Micro-Farm. That Herbicide is Poison From my reading, it wasn’t too much nitrogen. The symptoms were too strange. And it wasn’t a virus. The only thing in common between all these sick plants was one big load of manure. I called the local master gardeners and shared the symptoms and they had nothing helpful to suggest, so I started searching on my own, looking up phrases like “twisting leaves manure,” until I came across an article about a community garden disaster on the left coast. They had purchased a load of manure compost, then lost many of their plants because of a recently released herbicide designed for hay growers and cattle farmers. Aminopyralid. I had met my nemesis. I called the farmer who had sold me the manure and asked him if he’d sprayed anything on his hay fields. He told me he had tried a new product recommended by the University of Florida for the elimination of spiny pigweed, an obnoxious recurring weed in his pastures. “It worked really well,” he told me. I shared that all my plants were dying and asked if he could find out what he’d sprayed. I was pretty sure I knew already, but when he sent me a picture of the label, I knew for sure. It was Grazon, an aminopyralid-based toxin from Dow AgroSciences. Herbicide Damage -Eggplant. Image by David The Good. Contaminated compost: aminopyralid effect on tomatoes. Photo by Karen Land. Grazon Damage. Image by Luzette of Buffalo Girl Soaps. Report this ad Toxic Manure in the Garden is No Joke The farmer was quite upset by my report. He had sprayed his pasture the previous summer. That was about nine months before I called him, and he was told Grazon was safe for animals to consume. Armed with my new research, I shared that the toxin could continue killing plants for years, even after being eaten by animals, then excreted, then composted for months. He refunded the $60 I’d spent for the manure and apologized, telling me he wouldn’t spray again and that he had a lot of people that bought his manure. I didn’t blame him for the mistake and I didn’t ask for his help replacing the thousand dollars or so of destroyed produce and perennials. We all make mistakes and he seemed like a decent guy. I reserved my blame instead for the University of Florida, Dow AgroSciences and the government that lets these poisons into our gardens. By the time I knew what was going on, I had lost the first half of the growing season. Most of my garden beds were loaded with this manure – and my poor blackberries were twisted and dying, along with multiple fruit trees. Report this ad This situation is bad manure, and gardeners everywhere need to be warned! I was angry and feeling sick over the whole thing, so I called my friend Carolyn who owned the local Natural Awakenings magazine and asked if I could write an article warning other gardeners about the new danger of using manure in the garden. She agreed, and that led to me being contacted by Mother Earth News and becoming a blogger with them. Eventually, the manure fiasco led to me dedicating myself to making all my own compost – and that led to my book Compost Everything: The Good Guide to Extreme Composting. My manure-in-the-garden fiasco ended up launching my writing career. God works in mysterious ways. My terrible year of poisoned gardens ended up saving a lot of other people’s gardens – or helping them figure out what happened after a poisoning event. Person after person has written me to share tales of wrecked gardens. Some people lost beds because of contaminated hay they used in their compost. Others lost beds due to manure. Still others purchased compost or garden soil and had it kill their plants. Aminopyralids are all over the place now and it’s a minefield for gardeners. New gardeners are really in a bad place now, as they often don’t know what to expect from their plants. When Aminopyralid symptoms strike, they just assume they made a mistake, not that their beds were poisoned. Report this ad Here’s how to keep your gardens safe. 1. Don’t purchase compost. Many facilities still don’t have proper safeguards in place to keep their product uncontaminated. 2. Don’t use manure from grazing animals. That neighbor offering you well-rotted horse manure? A decade ago I would have said “great!” Now I would say “absolutely not!”. Though your neighbor might not spray his fields, he likely buys hay – and a lot of hayfields are now sprayed. It happens again and again and again. I have heard reports that even store-bought bagged manure is killing gardens. Just say no to manure in the garden from grazing animals. Remember, though, that Grazon is used to kill broadleaf weeds in hay. If you can get manure from non-grazing animals, it should be fine. Chickens and rabbits should be okay, unless you use straw or hay as bedding. Rabbits may eat a little grass but they are usually fed with alfalfa pellets and alfalfa is not sprayed with Aminopyralids. Report this ad 3. Avoid hay and straw in your compost or as mulch. A friend lost a chunk of her food forest plants after picking up a load of well-rotted hay and spreading it around. Members of the grass family may be sprayed with Aminopyralid-containing pesticides. Avoid. 4. Make your own compost. Learn to compost everything. Fall leaves, shredded paper, fish guts, eggshells, lasagna – whatever. The more organic material you can add to your compost pile and eventually to your gardens, the less you need to buy to amend your gardens. I compost all kitchen scraps, including meat. Gather lots of leaves or grass clippings from your (unsprayed!) yard and throw them over stuff that might stink. You can also cover your bin to keep out vermin. Nature will do the rest. It’s just a matter of time, not perfection. This isn’t an easy time to be a gardener. The world is toxic and there are plenty of pitfalls, including the use of manure as an amendment. I’m not exaggerating when I say this is a widespread problem. It’s no longer a good idea to add manure to your garden. If you do, you’re running a big risk and can destroy your plants because someone sprayed toxins on a field somewhere far from your garden. It’s not easy to find good alternatives, but it needs to be done. Watch your back and start making your own compost. It may save you some serious heartache. Get David’s tips for fixing Grazon contamination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted April 22, 2020 Share #106 Posted April 22, 2020 I was walking down the driveway to retrieve the tote this morning and there were rabbits running everywhere. I really should take care of them before they get in the garden and destroy everything. They are so cute My garden is still too wet to get back in there with the tiller. I put on coveralls, Boonie hat, glasses, and rubber gloves and sprayed down the grass with roundup today. If I let it keep growing until it dries out enough to till I’ll never get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen ★ Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share #107 Posted April 26, 2020 The bluebirds started to hatch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted April 27, 2020 Share #108 Posted April 27, 2020 Got my trailer road worthy and installed side boards. Picking up a couple yards of mushroom manure after work tomorrow. The seller assures me it is safe to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen ★ Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share #109 Posted April 27, 2020 3 more beds in today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted April 27, 2020 Share #110 Posted April 27, 2020 I checked on my seed order and they said orders are taking 2-4 weeks before they ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted April 27, 2020 Share #111 Posted April 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, dennis said: I checked on my seed order and they said orders are taking 2-4 weeks before they ship. They'll be plants by the time you get them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted April 28, 2020 Share #112 Posted April 28, 2020 I hauled home a pile of mushroom manure and spread it on the garden. Stuck some started butter crunch lettuce in. The Toyota far surpassed my expectations towing the trailer. It was heavier than I expected, with all the rain we've had I should have known it would be heavy, the mini van was able to pull a fully loaded trailer around the garden, starting on a pretty fair slope and never even spun a wheel. I think the AWD may have come into play. I will be sore from unloading the trailer. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted April 28, 2020 Share #113 Posted April 28, 2020 My lettuce plants are doing well so far. Further inspired me to shore up the 1x12 that had fallen down, and it is snice to have it back and not be gardening on a steep slope. I supported it with the steel fence posts and the overlap With the plastic fence helped take care of the rabbit hole situation where the little critters had eaten some rabbit-sized holes through it near the bottom of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted April 28, 2020 Share #114 Posted April 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: My lettuce plants are doing well so far. Further inspired me to shore up the 1x12 that had fallen down, and it is snice to have it back and not be gardening on a steep slope. I supported it with the steel fence posts and the overlap With the plastic fence helped take care of the rabbit hole situation where the little critters had eaten some rabbit-sized holes through it near the bottom of it. I have to get off my ass and get the rest of the beds built. Too much rain.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted April 28, 2020 Share #115 Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, Further said: I have to get off my ass and get the rest of the beds built. Too much rain.... I originally made the mistake of using sunken 2x4s and nailing the 2x12 s to the outside, and the weight of the dirt caused some of them to pull away. Not sure why just some, I’ll have to investigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted April 28, 2020 Share #116 Posted April 28, 2020 1 minute ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: I originally made the mistake of using sunken 2x4s and nailing the 2x12 s to the outside, and the weight of the dirt caused some of them to pull away. Not sure why just some, I’ll have to investigate. I'm using 1x6 rough cut cedar, putting stakes on the outside, it should hold up well. There is about 6" of well tilled soil beneath the bottom of the boards. So less weight pushing on the enclosure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted April 28, 2020 Share #117 Posted April 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Further said: I'm using 1x6 rough cut cedar, putting stakes on the outside, it should hold up well. There is about 6" of well tilled soil beneath the bottom of the boards. So less weight pushing on the enclosure. Yeah, actually mine might be either 1x8 or 1x10. It has been there for 30+ years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted April 29, 2020 Share #118 Posted April 29, 2020 My seeds shipped. They should arrive Sat. I planted some lettuce and herbs on my deck today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted May 3, 2020 Share #119 Posted May 3, 2020 Tilled the mushroom manure in and enclosed 2 more beds. The time this has taken me, and the sore muscles it has caused is really driving home how out of shape I am. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted May 3, 2020 Share #120 Posted May 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Further said: The time this has taken me, and the sore muscles it has caused is really driving home how out of shape I am. Don’t be so hard on yourself. You are just old. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted May 3, 2020 Share #121 Posted May 3, 2020 Just now, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: Don’t be so hard on yourself. You are just old. That's my excuse but I'm getting tired of using it. I want to tear into it and get shit done......but I've hurt myself too many times by over doing Got the wrap up of my last go around wit PT the other day. Insurance paid over 5 grand, I paid a few hundred and missed 2 weeks work. Guess I'll take it slow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted May 4, 2020 Share #122 Posted May 4, 2020 I planted most of my garden yesterday. I still have peas and cucumbers to plant. Someone gave me some garlic and chives were already growing in plot. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted May 4, 2020 Share #123 Posted May 4, 2020 We are looking at overnight freezing temperatures this weekend. I'll have to mulch the tender young plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted May 5, 2020 Share #124 Posted May 5, 2020 Heavy frost this morning and predicted for the next three days. I worked up the dirt a bit more today. This is going to be a big garden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted May 25, 2020 Share #125 Posted May 25, 2020 I think I'm done moving dirt, hope so anyway, that shit is heavy. Way heavier than when I was kid. I remember digging a foundation for a single family house on a Saturday morning and going out dancing on the Saturday night......Ah.. the older I get the better I was.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted May 25, 2020 Share #126 Posted May 25, 2020 Plant a lot of bodies in there, no ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen ★ Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share #127 Posted May 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Further said: Plant a lot of bodies in there, no ? Plant a bunch of bodies in there. Makes the corn grow big. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted May 25, 2020 Share #128 Posted May 25, 2020 Had some of my own lettuce on my burger for dinner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen ★ Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share #129 Posted May 25, 2020 52 minutes ago, Further said: Had some of my own lettuce on my burger for dinner Right on! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted June 7, 2020 Share #130 Posted June 7, 2020 Sitting and staring, trying some straw for mulch, hope it holds the moisture in and weeds down 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted June 22, 2020 Share #131 Posted June 22, 2020 Pic of garden, mostly to try new phone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted June 22, 2020 Share #132 Posted June 22, 2020 I am really missing having a vegetable garden this year. Next year after we get all the shrubs in this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted July 8, 2020 Share #133 Posted July 8, 2020 My purple peppers are doing well this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted July 24, 2020 Share #134 Posted July 24, 2020 So how is everyone's garden doing ? I'm getting zucchini, yellow squash, cukes, cherry tomatoes, jalapenos are close. I planted way too close, tomatoes are a jungle, and peppers are getting crowded by tomatoes and zucchini. 16 bell pepper plants and 1 bell pepper There is more to this than just digging up the dirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted July 24, 2020 Share #135 Posted July 24, 2020 Slow, as usual. I’ve only harvested a few orange cherry tomatoes, but there are some nice looking regular size green tomatoes. I am looking forward to the Black Krim, they look delicious on the tag! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted July 24, 2020 Share #136 Posted July 24, 2020 Peas were nice today. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted July 24, 2020 Share #137 Posted July 24, 2020 Once again this year I seem to be in at least a partial Tomato Twilight Zone. I am certain I did not plant any orange cherry tomato plants, yet I have one! Last year they were ALL that and I don;t think I planted any that year either. WTH! But at least a lot of the green ones this year are regular sized so it is not total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted July 24, 2020 Share #138 Posted July 24, 2020 I can’t believe how fast and big squash vines grow. The acorn squash grew a foot since yesterday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted July 24, 2020 Share #139 Posted July 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Further said: I can’t believe how fast and big squash vines grow. The acorn squash grew a foot since yesterday. Yeah, that is a problem in a small garden. Those bigass vines and leaves EVERYWHERE! Since one of my heroes is Oliver Wendell Douglas, here is my cornucopia shot for the thread, today's harvest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted July 24, 2020 Share #140 Posted July 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said: Yeah, that is a problem in a small garden. Those bigass vines and leaves EVERYWHERE! Since one of my heroes is Oliver Wendell Douglas, here is my cornucopia shot for the thread, today's harvest. I picked 4 smallish cukes , the past few cloudy days really slowed things down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted July 24, 2020 Share #141 Posted July 24, 2020 My daughter’s first fruits from her first garden. Told her I’m locking my car doors til zucchini season is over 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted August 2, 2020 Share #142 Posted August 2, 2020 My tomatoes are ripening, they have blossom end rot The cherry size are ok but I don’t know if I’ll get any from the bigger varieties Learning a lot this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted August 3, 2020 Share #143 Posted August 3, 2020 My garden got away from me. The raccoons are eating most of my corn. I am up to my ears in cucumbers and zucchini, I have more little yellow tomatoes than I could ever use. I think someone signaled the weeds that I wasn’t home and they grew like nobodies business. I should have enough butternut squash to last me for a year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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