Wilbur ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #1 Posted September 9, 2017 There is a lot of evidence that suggests a long fast is better than caloric reduction for fat loss and the prevention of muscle loss. I may give this a try. By long term, I am talking 7 to 10 days. Apparently, calorie reduced diets prevent the body from entering ketosis so muscle mass is lost before fat is consumed. I hear the first 3 days are miserable but you lose the sensation of hunger once entering ketosis. somewhere between 7 and 10 days later, you begin to feel hungry again at which point, you start eating. Energy remains high and you can exercise when in ketosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petitepedal ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #2 Posted September 9, 2017 I don't know about this...I was never in the anorexia nervosa crowd. why would you do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #3 Posted September 9, 2017 My wife has never fasted to lose weight but many times she has combined prayer and fasting when she has had a concern. A side effect of this is you do lose weight. (It snot rocket surgery, if you don't eat it's going to happen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted September 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, petitepedal said: I don't know about this...I was never in the anorexia nervosa crowd. why would you do this? To lose another 20 lbs of body fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #5 Posted September 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wilbur said: To lose another 20 lbs of body fat. "They" always say not to do that. I'm sure Uncle Google can expound! He is a real know-it-all. brb! I can see the temptation, though, like ripping off a Band-aid. But if you are eating right, the pounds should fall off anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #6 Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: "They" always say not to do that. I'm sure Uncle Google can expound! He is a real know-it-all. brb! I still have an extensive reserve. I can afford the loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend_Maynard Posted September 9, 2017 Share #7 Posted September 9, 2017 From what I've read, it's not risk free. Heart failure is not uncommon. Also, I would hope you wouldn't be working during this fast. I know I would not want to fly on a plane where the pilot has not eaten for for up to 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #8 Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, Reverend_Maynard said: Heart failure is not uncommon. And is a bummer to boot! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #9 Posted September 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Reverend_Maynard said: From what I've read, it's not risk free. Heart failure is not uncommon. Also, I would hope you wouldn't be working during this fast. I know I would not want to fly on a plane where the pilot has not eaten for for up to 2 weeks. I have two, one month periods free of duty this winter with which to play diet in. In the meantime, I will be researching the idea further. With my Dr as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #10 Posted September 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wilbur said: I have two, one month periods free of duty this winter with which to play diet in. In the meantime, I will be researching the idea further. With my Dr as well. Are you able to hold to a calorie count? I can for some days, but then we will go out, have spaghetti, millions of things come up to blow the count. Snacking always sneaks the heck back in. Cucumbers taste great, but they just make me hungry for something more substantial. I have had a little luck with using hot peppers to replace fat or high carb foods, but they always seem to sneak back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted September 9, 2017 1 minute ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: Are you able to hold to a calorie count? I can for some days, but then we will go out, have spaghetti, millions of things come up to blow the count. I have been at 1500 calories per day since April. Calorie deficits though, also cause loss of muscle mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #12 Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, Wilbur said: I have been at 1500 calories per day since April. Calorie deficits though, also cause loss of muscle mass. So how much have you lost? That is my target too, to supposedly loose aboot a pound a week. I loose a pound then gain a pound, not much progress. I need to loose aboot 20 also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend_Maynard Posted September 9, 2017 Share #13 Posted September 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Wilbur said: I have two, one month periods free of duty this winter with which to play diet in. In the meantime, I will be researching the idea further. With my Dr as well. It's good that you are being sensible about it. Personally, I don't think the benefit is worth the risk. After all, I'm fairly sure that, up to a certain point, fat people live longer than skinny people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #14 Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: So how much have you lost? That is my target too, to supposedly loose aboot a pound a week. I loose a pound then gain a pound, not much progress. I need to loose aboot 20 also. Down 38 lbs since April 6. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #15 Posted September 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Reverend_Maynard said: It's good that you are being sensible about it. Personally, I don't think the benefit is worth the risk. After all, I'm fairly sure that, up to a certain point, fat people live longer than skinny people. I've noticed several people, some closely related like my father, bulk up a little in their 50s and 60s, but then loose it in their 70s and 80s. Of course muscle loss probably is a big part of that, but the belly seems to go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #16 Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, Wilbur said: Down 38 lbs since April 6. Then I wouldn't change a thing! That seems maybe a touch too fast even, aboot 2 pounds per week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #17 Posted September 9, 2017 You seem to hit the gym a lot, but I'll bet chihuahuas are shmoos, like Boston Terrorists, so they can keep you on the couch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #18 Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: Then I wouldn't change a thing! That seems maybe a touch too fast even, aboot 2 pounds per week? More important to me are the measurements as I am gaining muscle mass although it is slowing as is the fat loss. Waist is down 5 inches, chest is up 2 inches. I am happy with that but want to lean out a little more. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #19 Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, Wilbur said: More important to me are the measurements as I am gaining muscle mass although it is slowing as is the fat loss. Waist is down 5 inches, chest is up 2 inches. I am happy with that but want to lean out a little more. Patience, grasshopper! You are doing awesomely! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #20 Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: You seem to hit the gym a lot, but I'll bet chihuahuas are shmoos, like Boston Terrorists, so they can keep you on the couch. Chihuahuas are not distance walkers for sure! As I type, I have one wedged against my hip and another between my legs in the recliner. It insists on the legs being lifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #21 Posted September 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, Reverend_Maynard said: Personally, I don't think the benefit is worth the risk. After all, I'm fairly sure that, up to a certain point, fat people live longer than skinny people. During an extended fast I'm sure this is true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #22 Posted September 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Chihuahuas are not distance walkers for sure! As I type, I have one wedged against my hip and another between my legs in the recliner. It insists on the legs being lifted. Ruby is still young and energetic, but she will peter out on the longest walks, although in cool weather she can be good for 3 miles. In summer, fuggedaboutit! She droops and shuts down, lays down in the next shady spot. She is attached to my wife's hip, so she bears the brunt of the shmoo-ism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #23 Posted September 9, 2017 1 minute ago, RalphWaldoMooseworth said: Patience, grasshopper! You are doing awesomely! At least clothing makers shirt tapers are going the same direction as me. I had a reverse taper going for a while there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #24 Posted September 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Wilbur said: At least clothing makers shirt tapers are going the same direction as me. I had a reverse taper going for a while there. Well, you didn;t quite nip it in the bud, but it sounds like you are nipping it! Cheese/Barney must be proud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #25 Posted September 9, 2017 If I cooked for you I'll bet you would lose weight. I don't know if my cooking tastes that bad or it's just the healthy choices I made (probably a bit of both). My wife has lost weight steadily since I retired and have dinner ready when she gets home from work. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted September 9, 2017 Share #26 Posted September 9, 2017 I've done lots of fasts. The first day can be tough. For me the second day is the hardest. By day 3 I can't remember why I ever wanted to eat and the energy level is through the roof. I've never done more that 6 days. The last time I did 6 days I was 35. I wouldn't do that at 62. I do a few 3 day fasts every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend_Maynard Posted September 9, 2017 Share #27 Posted September 9, 2017 You've probably read this since it was a top google hit, but this article seems fairly balanced... https://paleoleap.com/long-fasts/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #28 Posted September 9, 2017 My wife did a forty day fast one time. She lost twenty pounds and with the weight loss was able to detect a lump that turned out to be breast cancer. That fast saved her life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Share #29 Posted September 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, Reverend_Maynard said: You've probably read this since it was a top google hit, but this article seems fairly balanced... https://paleoleap.com/long-fasts/ I would rather do more of the Atkins type ketosis diet, minimal carbs. This seems to point out the benefits of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirwickWithCheese Posted September 9, 2017 Share #30 Posted September 9, 2017 No, you will not be doing this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #31 Posted September 9, 2017 When you have an hour, watch this interview. This is what got me thinking about fasting. This isn't an infomercial although the Dr. is a published author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirwickWithCheese Posted September 9, 2017 Share #32 Posted September 9, 2017 Mexican pigs don't diet. On the contrary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share #33 Posted September 9, 2017 1 hour ago, AirwickWithCheese said: Mexican pigs don't diet. On the contrary. Wut Chu call me mang? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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