Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Share #1 Posted July 31, 2020 ... been a vegan? Any negative effects? Do you take a B12 supplement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Share #2 Posted July 31, 2020 My mother R one. She is sort of a no frills person so I doubt she takes any supplements. I could be wrong though, I often am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted July 31, 2020 Share #3 Posted July 31, 2020 Vegans needs supplements of B12, Calcium, Zinc, Iron and D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted July 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: Vegans needs supplements of B12, Calcium, Zinc, Iron and D. B12. You can get everything else from other foods. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted July 31, 2020 Share #5 Posted July 31, 2020 54 minutes ago, Dottles said: ... been a vegan? About 3 years. 54 minutes ago, Dottles said: Any negative effects? Going out to eat can be hard. 54 minutes ago, Dottles said: Do you take a B12 supplement? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted July 31, 2020 Share #6 Posted July 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: Vegans needs supplements of B12, Calcium, Zinc, Iron and D. I agree with the B12, not the other things. I get plenty of everything else. I do however take D and calcium. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted July 31, 2020 Any other supplements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #8 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Square Wheels said: I agree with the B12, not the other things. I get plenty of everything else. I do however take D and calcium. Right B12 is the main thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted July 31, 2020 Share #9 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Dottles said: Any other supplements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Square Wheels said: What about Viagra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted July 31, 2020 Share #11 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Dottles said: What about Viagra? Not yet. I'm getting old though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted July 31, 2020 Well the $64 thousand dollar question. Do you feel any better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted July 31, 2020 Share #13 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Dottles said: Well the $64 thousand dollar question. Do you feel any better? I feel no different at all. All my life I felt uncomfortable eating animals, so that part is gone. Lots of successful vegan athletes, so it's a lie to say there are performance issues. I've run up Mt Washing just as slow as a vegan as I did a carnivore. I've done a century as a vegan and didn't pass out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted July 31, 2020 Share #14 Posted July 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dottles said: B12. You can get everything else from other foods. Right? Calcium from things like kale, broccoli, sesame seeds, etc. You have to eat a lot to get your RDA. Iodine is only in things like seaweed, fish and dairy. D we get from the sun, but we slather all that sunscreen on and spend a significant amount of time indoors. So, taking some is not a bad idea. B12 is basically dirt and rocks. Zinc is in nuts beans and whole grains. Personally, I would consult with a nutritionist about these questions. They are trained professionals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #15 Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: I feel no different at all. All my life I felt uncomfortable eating animals, so that part is gone. Lots of successful vegan athletes, so it's a lie to say there are performance issues. I've run up Mt Washing just as slow as a vegan as I did a carnivore. I've done a century as a vegan and didn't pass out. My question was directed more toward your overall health and being -- no so much performance. I get that you sit morally better with what you eat -- but do you find that being Vegan makes your body/mind feel better? Worse? No diff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted July 31, 2020 Share #16 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Dottles said: My question was directed more toward your overall health and being -- no so much performance. I get that you sit morally better with what you eat -- but do you find that being Vegan makes your body/mind feel better? Worse? No diff? I'd go with no different. I have itchy skin at times and that drives me nuts. My bladder pain did not go away or reduce, that was disappointing. My cognitive health and memory are poor due to lack of sleep. It definitely didn't make things worse. Being vegan is a pretty big step if you're considering it. There are many options no longer available or convenient. Imagine a cookout without a burger. I bring my own food to family events. Your places to eat out are limited - this can be a good thing. When I started I went to Greece. It was impossible there. Almost no choices at all. I ate a lot of chicken while I was there. It really made me feel sick. It's not for everyone. I find it easy at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Come Lately Name Posted July 31, 2020 Share #17 Posted July 31, 2020 18 minutes ago, Dottles said: Right B12 is the main thing. I take B12 in liquid form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted July 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: I'd go with no different. I have itchy skin at times and that drives me nuts. My bladder pain did not go away or reduce, that was disappointing. My cognitive health and memory are poor due to lack of sleep. It definitely didn't make things worse. Being vegan is a pretty big step if you're considering it. There are many options no longer available or convenient. Imagine a cookout without a burger. I bring my own food to family events. Your places to eat out are limited - this can be a good thing. When I started I went to Greece. It was impossible there. Almost no choices at all. I ate a lot of chicken while I was there. It really made me feel sick. It's not for everyone. I find it easy at this point. I did go vegan for about 6 months. But a big staple of mine was vegan pho and then I had my heart stents. My cardiologist asked me to cut back on the salt. You can't go out and eat a good bowl of vegan pho w/o getting a couple days recommended salt intake in one sitting. I did notice my nails were becoming soft as well. So I really ramped up on the broccoli and other greens. Basically dark green is your dietary friend. In the end, I have decided to stick with mostly a mediterranean diet but do allow a buffalo or turkey burger from time to time. I guess you could say i've gone more Flexitarian but I also am more concerned about saturated fat intake than I am with anything else. Heart healthy amigo. But there's no doubt that going vegan has even greater heart benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted July 31, 2020 Share #19 Posted July 31, 2020 27 minutes ago, Dottles said: Any other supplements? They need meat injections, I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #20 Posted July 31, 2020 I eat my grain cereal with cashew/almond/oat milk -- which I actually prefer over regular milk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Share #21 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Dottles said: I eat my grain cereal with cashew/almond/oat milk -- which I actually prefer over regular milk. I read that as cat milk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Share #22 Posted July 31, 2020 16 minutes ago, Dottles said: My question was directed more toward your overall health and being -- no so much performance. I get that you sit morally better with what you eat -- but do you find that being Vegan makes your body/mind feel better? Worse? No diff? I'd suggest baby steps, not leaps into the unknown. What is veganism? It is MOSTLY an ethical eating system, not a dietary solution. You would likely be far better served by an elimination diet (akin to @Wilbur where he removed a lot of stuff and then carefully brought it back in) or a general reduction in eating processed meats and foods while increasing fruits and veggies in your diet. Why get rid of honey if honey isn't an issue for you (other than an ethical issue). Same with milk, eggs, or cheese? Again, cheese can make you fat, but not all cheese and not in moderation. Why not more a Mediterranean diet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #23 Posted July 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: I'd suggest baby steps, not leaps into the unknown. What is veganism? It is MOSTLY an ethical eating system, not a dietary solution. You would likely be far better served by an elimination diet (akin to @Wilbur where he removed a lot of stuff and then carefully brought it back in) or a general reduction in eating processed meats and foods while increasing fruits and veggies in your diet. Why get rid of honey if honey isn't an issue for you (other than an ethical issue). Same with milk, eggs, or cheese? Again, cheese can make you fat, but not all cheese and not in moderation. Why not more a Mediterranean diet? Why does everyone think I want to go on a vegan diet? I just simply wanted to know if SW feels better. Base on his response, it seems clear NO and I personally don't think it's worth the headache. What I am interested in though -- is maybe someday going back to it -- because I do think any form of animal ingestion leads to cardiovascular disease. But even with that I question whether it's worth it. If your intake of sat fat from animal products is limited, then you can still enjoy a lean buffalo or turkey burger from time to time. And I find that sadly cheese is put on almost everything outside the home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Share #24 Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dottles said: Base on his response, it seems clear NO Sounds to me like he is quite happy he is not eating meat anymore and that makes him feel a lot better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #25 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Philander Seabury said: Sounds to me like he is quite happy he is not eating meat anymore and that makes him feel a lot better. I heard him struggle when he goes out -- and therefore his social life takes a big hit. Wait. We are talking about Square Wheels here. He never had a social life. OK. My apologies. Carry on,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted July 31, 2020 Share #26 Posted July 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dottles said: Why does everyone think I want to go on a vegan diet? I just simply wanted to know if SW feels better. But why do you want to go vegan? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Share #27 Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dottles said: I heard him struggle when he goes out -- and therefore his social life takes a big hit. Wait. We are talking about Square Wheels here. He never had a social life. OK. My apologies. Carry on,. Yeah, eating oot is a pain. That is why I just prefer veggies but am flexible aboot it. Of course I have trouble loosing or even maintaining weight because my favourite veggies are barley, hops, and cheese. (ok, not veggies, but non- meat :D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #28 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Philander Seabury said: Yeah, eating oot is a pain. That is why I just prefer veggies but am flexible aboot it. Are you vegan too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted July 31, 2020 Share #29 Posted July 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said: Sounds to me like he is quite happy he is not eating meat anymore and that makes him feel a lot better. If it doesn't bother you and doesn't give you worse health problems, doesn't seem to be much harm. I like meat a few times a week, but always end up having it more often than that. Not sure that meat is really a culprit in heart disease, but suspect it is the crap meat that does it. Don't know, but if I eat a lot of lunch meat, it tends to make me feel sluggish after a few days of it. If I eat a bunch of high-quality meat, it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Share #30 Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dottles said: Are you vegan too? Hell no! Wanna be sometimes vegetarian is aboot it. But I share your goal of wanting to eat healthier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted July 31, 2020 Share #31 Posted July 31, 2020 Since Covid hit I kinda let my eating go. More carbs and processed foods. My glucose values were going up, weight was creeping up but not terribly. Anyway I got back to basics for me which is lean protein, veggies and very little gluten based carbs like bread, noodles. A big part of it was also just eating less. My portions and frequency was getting out of hand. Anyway after a good week I noticed I don’t feel as bloated and just generally feel better. Being a little hungry takes some getting used to but actually is better than the I ate too much gross feeling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted July 31, 2020 Share #32 Posted July 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, Dottles said: I heard him struggle when he goes out -- and therefore his social life takes a big hit. Wait. We are talking about Square Wheels here. He never had a social life. OK. My apologies. Carry on,. That's the point. I go out with friends (or used to), but would prefer they come over for dinner. We've made a few vegan meals that have surprised people. I'd prefer not to spend $100 on food that was OK just so I can spend time with friends. My wife doesn't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #33 Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Square Wheels said: That's the point. I go out with friends (or used to), but would prefer they come over for dinner. We've made a few vegan meals that have surprised people. I'd prefer not to spend $100 on food that was OK just so I can spend time with friends. My wife doesn't agree. I'm not much of a cook and my wife loves to cook. But unless she stops working, she doesn't have time to prepare the meals. Because -- and get serious -- most vegan meals require self preparation and take longer (typically) than most traditional meals. Yeah, I can eat a bowl of grains with a fusion of oat/almond/cashew/other nut milk in a jiffy but making vegan pho from scratch is going to require some free time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted July 31, 2020 Share #34 Posted July 31, 2020 40 minutes ago, Dottles said: Yeah, I can eat a bowl of grains with a fusion of oat/almond/cashew/other nut milk in a jiffy but making vegan pho from scratch is going to require some free time. How is the broth made with vegan pho as It’s usually a beef bone broth? I suppose a vegetable stock could be used. One if my cousins is a vegetarian but doesn’t sweat the broth when we get pho. It’s just noodles, veg & tofu. I ordered it once, it’s OK but I like my meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #35 Posted July 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, ChrisL said: How is the broth made with vegan pho as It’s usually a beef bone broth? I suppose a vegetable stock could be used. One if my cousins is a vegetarian but doesn’t sweat the broth when we get pho. It’s just noodles, veg & tofu. I ordered it once, it’s OK but I like my meat. Beef broth is quite tasty. It's my preference but I try to stick to the vegan broth. I don't know how they do it but it's tasty too. I'm guessing a helluva lot of sodium? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #36 Posted July 31, 2020 23 minutes ago, ChrisL said: How is the broth made with vegan pho as It’s usually a beef bone broth? I suppose a vegetable stock could be used. One if my cousins is a vegetarian but doesn’t sweat the broth when we get pho. It’s just noodles, veg & tofu. I ordered it once, it’s OK but I like my meat. I think you are one of the few on this site that appreciate a good bowl of pho. It got me thinking if this is a west coast thing? @jsharr has a large Vietnamese community so I'll bet he knows some good restaurants serving Vietnamese food in the greater Dallas area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted July 31, 2020 Share #37 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, Dottles said: I think you are one of the few on this site that appreciate a good bowl of pho. It got me thinking if this is a west coast thing? @jsharr has a large Vietnamese community so I'll bet he knows some good restaurants serving Vietnamese food. Probably more of a thing where there are large Vietnamese communities. SoCal was one of the first places the refugees came in the mid 70’s and they branched out. We have Vietnamese groceries, businesses that cater to the community and of course numerous restaurants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #38 Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, ChrisL said: Probably more of a thing where there are large Vietnamese communities. SoCal was one of the first places the refugees came in the mid 70’s and they branched out. We have Vietnamese groceries, businesses that cater to the community and of course numerous restaurants. Yeah. We got a decent size but not like youz guys. I know Texas has a good size as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted July 31, 2020 Share #39 Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dottles said: Yeah. We got a decent size but not like youz guys. I know Texas has a good size as well. Yeah but they put beans in their pho, that’s why @jsharr doesn’t eat it! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #40 Posted July 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, ChrisL said: Yeah but they put beans in their pho, that’s why @jsharr doesn’t eat it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Share #41 Posted July 31, 2020 I have had pho. It does not suck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #42 Posted July 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, jsharr said: I have had pho. It does not suck. Get some of that Sriracha sauce in there and you got something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted July 31, 2020 Share #43 Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dottles said: Get some of that Sriracha sauce in there and you got something. And beans! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #44 Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, ChrisL said: And beans! I'm wondering if they have a Tex-Mex pho down there. Could be a big seller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted July 31, 2020 Share #45 Posted July 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, Dottles said: I'm wondering if they have a Tex-Mex pho down there. Could be a big seller. My parents used to eat tempeh which is a firmer tofu with beans in it. Back then I didn’t care for it and honestly haven’t had it as an adult but it could work in pho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #46 Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, ChrisL said: My parents used to eat tempeh which is a firmer tofu with beans in it. Back then I didn’t care for it and honestly haven’t had it as an adult but it could work in pho. Well keep emphasizing the beans part. @jsharr will be on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Share #47 Posted July 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dottles said: Well keep emphasizing the beans part. @jsharr will be on board. I like beans. But they need to know their place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted July 31, 2020 Share #48 Posted July 31, 2020 44 minutes ago, ChrisL said: tempeh It is interesting, and in the right dish, really good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share #49 Posted July 31, 2020 3 hours ago, Square Wheels said: It is interesting, and in the right dish, really good. I've had tempeh. I really think the trick to all this bean stuff and bean products is spice. Make that chit hot as hell and honestly, you won't care whether it's meat, bean, or kumquats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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