maddmaxx ★ Posted December 9, 2018 Share #51 Posted December 9, 2018 On 12/8/2018 at 5:11 PM, Road Runner said: If people get free public transportation, then as a non-user but taxpayer, I am getting screwed. I want free gas for my truck. They could always be on the road with you in cars!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted December 10, 2018 Share #52 Posted December 10, 2018 On 12/7/2018 at 4:56 PM, Kzoo said: I need free bus rides. ...a ride on the short bus is priceless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #53 Posted December 10, 2018 How about some free health care to go with it? https://www.msnbc.com/velshi-ruhle/watch/venezuela-s-medical-system-collapsed-u-s-navy-treating-thousands-1382922307989 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share #54 Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Longjohn said: How about some free health care to go with it? https://www.msnbc.com/velshi-ruhle/watch/venezuela-s-medical-system-collapsed-u-s-navy-treating-thousands-1382922307989 So the country with the most mismanaged government in the world and worst inflation in recorded history (currently 1.35 MILLION%, according to the IMF) is a valid example? And our socialistic-supported military is giving out free healthcare? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #55 Posted December 10, 2018 51 minutes ago, Randomguy said: So the country with the most mismanaged Socialist government in the world and worst inflation in recorded history (currently 1.35 MILLION%, according to the IMF) is a valid example? And our military is giving out free healthcare? FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share #56 Posted December 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, Longjohn said: FIFY It is actually kind of a dictatorship at this point, the recent elections occurred where they banned the opposition parties. There isn't a worse non-analogous example out there. Some of you people act like I am saying socialism works, but I am saying that our economy has a HUGE socialist component in terms of defense, police and fire protection, prison systems, government, etc. so why not healthcare? If other countries can do it, why can't America? Are their systems perfect? No. Is ours? Hell fucking no with chocolate sauce. Our system sucks ass if you don't have protections or if you have crappy insurance or loopholes are there to be exploited. There are lots of loopholes, lots of crappy insurance, and minimal or non-existent true protections, you know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #57 Posted December 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, Randomguy said: It is actually kind of a dictatorship at this point, the recent elections occurred where they banned the opposition parties. There isn't a worse non-analogous example out there. Some of you people act like I am saying socialism works, but I am saying that our economy has a HUGE socialist component in terms of defense, police and fire protection, prison systems, government, etc. so why not healthcare? If other countries can do it, why can't America? Are their systems perfect? No. Is ours? Hell fucking no with chocolate sauce. Our system sucks ass if you don't have protections or if you have crappy insurance or loopholes are there to be exploited. There are lots of loopholes, lots of crappy insurance, and minimal or non-existent true protections, you know. Well if you don't like it, leave. Wait, what did you say? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted December 10, 2018 Share #58 Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Randomguy said: It is actually kind of a dictatorship at this point, the recent elections occurred where they banned the opposition parties. There isn't a worse non-analogous example out there. Some of you people act like I am saying socialism works, but I am saying that our economy has a HUGE socialist component in terms of defense, police and fire protection, prison systems, government, etc. so why not healthcare? If other countries can do it, why can't America? Are their systems perfect? No. Is ours? Hell fucking no with chocolate sauce. Our system sucks ass if you don't have protections or if you have crappy insurance or loopholes are there to be exploited. There are lots of loopholes, lots of crappy insurance, and minimal or non-existent true protections, you know. ...I knew a massage therapist from Venezuela once, when I was single. She was gorgeous, and she had that slight accent that makes a woman seem more exotic. She got tired of the US and went back to Venezuela. This was in the 80's, when the oil money was still flowing freely and the middle class was on the rise. " Nicer place to live," she said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted December 10, 2018 Share #59 Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Kzoo said: Well if you don't like it, leave. Wait, what did you say? ...I would have gone with that massage therapist, if she had asked me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share #60 Posted December 10, 2018 54 minutes ago, Kzoo said: Well if you don't like it, leave. Well that is just silly, and it doesn't factor in any immigration laws of other countries that you have to factor in. Besides, Venezuela might not want me. Anyway, it is pretty simplistic to think you can just go to another country and live there forever without an alarming number of conditions that have to be met, it isn't like going from PA to MI. I know you know this already, because moving to MI is like going to a war zone when you could have moved to Ohio instead. Btw, I was in Venezuela for a couple of weeks in 1998, and inflation was completely out of control then in a capitalistic economy. The currency was at 1524 Bolivars per dollar. I bought beers for everyone at a bar on the main island in Los Roques, two rounds. It cost $24 total, and I was a hero. Chavez took over about 5 years later and REALLY messed things up. His hand-picked successor really screwed the pooch even worse. I think I would be kidnapped or killed within hours of touching down now, and I think all the hot chicks have moved out of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #61 Posted December 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Randomguy said: So the country with the most mismanaged government in the world and worst inflation in recorded history (currently 1.35 MILLION%, according to the IMF) is a valid example? And our socialistic-supported military is giving out free healthcare? Don't forget our socialist post office, our socialist parks, our socialist education -- and as you mention -- our socialist military. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share #62 Posted December 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, No One said: ...I knew a massage therapist from Venezuela once, when I was single. She was gorgeous, and she had that slight accent that makes a woman seem more exotic. She got tired of the US and went back to Venezuela. This was in the 80's, when the oil money was still flowing freely and the middle class was on the rise. " Nicer place to live," she said. I worked for a guy that went there a few times a year to hit on the ladies, but he was a skeezball pervert of the worst kind. He did fill my head with stories of the most beautiful women imaginable, so much so that it couldn't be real. He was right. They were sweeties, too, great attitudes and happier than American chicks. I met one the first day there and island hopped with her for a couple of weeks, totally hot and very cool. She was actually Columbian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted December 10, 2018 Share #63 Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Kzoo said: Well if you don't like it, leave. Wait, what did you say? When the blue wave of more democratic socialism takes hold, will you be the one leaving? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share #64 Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dottles said: Don't forget our socialist post office, our socialist parks, our socialist education -- and as you mention -- our socialist military. You are a socialist commie anti-uncle Samite! I banish you to MI!!!! Heh heh... You are lucky not to be banished to NJ, count your blessings. There is no perfect system that works in all cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #65 Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Randomguy said: You are a socialist commie anti-uncle Samite! I banish you to MI!!!! Heh heh... You are lucky not to be banished to NJ, count your blessings. There is no perfect system that works in all cases. Nope. There is no perfect system and I'm not a socialist. But I laugh my ass off when I read folks still subscribing to the Invisible Hand theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted December 10, 2018 Share #66 Posted December 10, 2018 SS is a socialist benefit, as is medicare, and unemployment. These are good things for the greater good. Although, I guess we can just keep the corporate tax cuts rolling so fat CEOs can continue having nice bonuses. Don't forget. US citizens were the most prosperous when corporate taxes were much higher. Just saying. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted December 10, 2018 Share #67 Posted December 10, 2018 As the little people have less and less money to spend, it will hurt the economy more and more. The little people are the ones to buy most of the stuff. If you have no money, the widgets will not be sold in high volumes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #68 Posted December 10, 2018 I predict that this thread is P&R bound in less than 3 more threads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #69 Posted December 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: When the blue wave of more democratic socialism takes hold, will you be the one leaving? It was a joke. Did you read my post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #70 Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kzoo said: I predict that this thread is P&R bound in less than 3 more threads... We could talk football. I mean, your Steelers go down -- and I'm afraid it's time my Seahags do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted December 10, 2018 Share #71 Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kzoo said: It was a joke. Did you read my post? It was very funny. ? Democracy isn't … you don't like it, leave. It is to fight or push for what you believe to be best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #72 Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Dottles said: We could talk football. I mean, your Steelers go down -- and I'm afraid it's time my Seahags do too. The last time I looked 'our' Steelers were in first place in their division and the Seahawks (worst logo in sports) we 3.5 games out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #73 Posted December 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: SS is a socialist benefit, as is medicare, and unemployment. These are good things for the greater good. Although, I guess we can just keep the corporate tax cuts rolling so fat CEOs can continue having nice bonuses. Don't forget. US citizens were the most prosperous when corporate taxes were much higher. Just saying. No, no, no. You have this all wrong. It's about individual rights 'trumping' the greater good. Oh and guns. Just now, Dirtyhip said: It was very funny. ? Democracy isn't … you don't like it, leave. It is to fight or push for what you believe to be best. Seems like folks only like democracy when it's a system favoring them. I suspect this is the curse of man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #74 Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kzoo said: The last time I looked 'our' Steelers were in first place in their division and the Seahawks (worst logo in sports) we 3.5 games out. Last time I looked we had a better record. C'mon Kazabooboo... the whole AFC north this year blows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share #75 Posted December 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: SS is a socialist benefit, as is medicare, and unemployment. Unions, too, thanks for jogging my memory. If you were in a union or benefited from one, that is totally socialist commie bastardland territory. 2 minutes ago, Kzoo said: The last time I looked 'our' Steelers were in first place in their division and the Seahawks (worst logo in sports) we 3.5 games out. The Browns are actually coming on and look like they will do ok in the future. Hard to believe, but the difference between the Bengals and the Steelers is really not that far right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share #76 Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dottles said: Seems like folks only like democracy when it's a system favoring them. I suspect this is the curse of man. I think a lot of it comes from having a two-party system. You have extremists on each side messing things up, where the middle is where most people are anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #77 Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I think a lot of it comes from having a two-party system. You have extremists on each side messing things up, where the middle is where most people are anyway. I do wish it were a 3 party system. Just like our founding father's envisioned when they created the 3 branches of government. At least then it'd be a system of somewhat better checks and balances. Right now, both sides are the devil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #78 Posted December 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dottles said: Just like our founding father's envisioned Reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #79 Posted December 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Unions, too, thanks for jogging my memory. If you were in a union or benefited from one, that is totally socialist commie bastardland territory. Don't forget the huge socialist bailout when the automobile industry almost tanked. Socialism is always a bad word until they need a bailout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #80 Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kzoo said: Reference? I would suggest you go back to 4th grade and learn how our constitution works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #81 Posted December 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kzoo said: Reference? ok. i can see I could have been clearer in my context. I am not suggesting the founding fathers wanted us to have 3 political parties. I am suggesting that we'd be better served with 3 political parties mimicking the 3 branches of government... as those branches are designed to be in check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #82 Posted December 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dottles said: ok. i can see I could have been clearer in my context. I am not suggesting the founding fathers wanted us to have 3 political parties. I am suggesting that we'd be better served with 3 political parties mimicking the 3 branches of government... as those branches are designed to be in check. Not the way I read your words. Please be clearer in your context next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #83 Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kzoo said: Not the way I read your words. Please be clearer in your context next time. I'm going to need some help with 'clearer'... amongst other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #84 Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Dottles said: I'm going to need some help with 'clearer'... amongst other things. 4 minutes ago, Kzoo said: ok. i can see I could have been clearer in my context. I am not suggesting.... Let me help you clear this up then. The word cleared in your post. The one I underlined.... yes that one. Whatever you meant there by clearer - do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #85 Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kzoo said: Let me help you clear this up then. The word cleared in your post. The one I underlined.... yes that one. Whatever you meant there by clearer - do that. Ok. But I like to think in colors. What color is 'clear'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #86 Posted December 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Dottles said: Ok. But I like to think in colors. What color is 'clear'? You dolt. Transparent. As in, your ideas communicated in writing should be transparent. If your 'brian' still has trouble with that go with this (just don't huff it or you will have other 'brian' issues) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 10, 2018 Share #87 Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kzoo said: You dolt. Transparent. As in, your ideas communicated in writing should be transparent. If your 'brian' still has trouble with that go with this (just don't huff it or you will have other 'brian' issues) Well, sheeet, dog. Now that's something I can get my mind around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #88 Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Dottles said: Well, sheeet, dog. Now that's something I can get my mind around. Glad I could clear that up or you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share #89 Posted December 10, 2018 Are you guys still arguing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted December 10, 2018 Share #90 Posted December 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Are you guys still arguing? ...somebody pee'd in someone's corn flakes this morning. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #91 Posted December 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, No One said: ...somebody pee'd in someone's corn flakes this morning. Just sayin'. @Randomguy started it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 10, 2018 Share #92 Posted December 10, 2018 Did someone close down P&R? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #93 Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Road Runner said: Did someone close down P&R? Is this a rhetorical question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 10, 2018 Share #94 Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kzoo said: Is this a rhetorical question? Does a bear go in the woods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #95 Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Road Runner said: Does a bear go in the woods? Go where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 10, 2018 Share #96 Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kzoo said: Go where? In the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 10, 2018 Share #97 Posted December 10, 2018 I just wasn't aware that the rules regarding P&R content had been changed to allow political discussions in the Cafe. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #98 Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Road Runner said: I just wasn't aware that the rules regarding P&R content had been changed to allow political discussions in the Cafe. My bad. I thought we were talking about bears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 10, 2018 Share #99 Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kzoo said: I thought we were talking about bears? Where do they go? Apparently not in the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 10, 2018 Share #100 Posted December 10, 2018 19 minutes ago, Road Runner said: Where do they go? Apparently not in the woods. They go up hills, down hills, they climb trees, they go all over the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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