maddmaxx ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #1 Posted August 11, 2020 Myocarditis. Inflammation of the heart muscle. Now found in young athletes who had no symptom or mild symptom versions of Covid-19. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2020/08/10/college-football-season-lost-months-ago-coronavirus-response/3337127001/ Do we really want football back so badly that we don't care if we kill a few along the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #2 Posted August 11, 2020 1 minute ago, maddmaxx said: Do we really want football back so badly that we don't care if we kill a few along the way? No. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #3 Posted August 11, 2020 Just now, Dottles said: No. Speak for yourself. Plenty of folks don't mind if they risk their lives. Why change directions now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #4 Posted August 11, 2020 "In Germany, a study of recovered patients found that 78% had structural changes to their hearts and 60% showed signs of myocarditis." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #5 Posted August 11, 2020 Just now, Razors Edge said: Speak for yourself. Plenty of folks don't mind if they risk their lives. Why change directions now? I am speaking for myself Moran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #6 Posted August 11, 2020 Just now, Dottles said: I am speaking for myself Moran. You speak when you write? That's more Kzoo-like than I thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted August 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Speak for yourself. Plenty of folks don't mind if they risk their lives. Why change directions now? Well hell, it should be ok to allow people to climb skyscrapers again. The occasional blood stain on the sidewalk is just the cost of freedom. In addition to sports, there are a lot of ramifications for the young going forward as we stuff them into the classroom again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted August 11, 2020 Share #8 Posted August 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dottles said: "In Germany, a study of recovered patients found that 78% had structural changes to their hearts and 60% showed signs of myocarditis." Do you have a link to the study or, more preferably, an article that summarizes it for idiots link me? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #9 Posted August 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: You speak when you write? That's more Kzoo-like than I thought! His lips move when he reads, does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted August 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. Grumpy said: Do you have a link to the study or, more preferably, an article that summarizes it for idiots link me? You could try the OP. I believe Dots was quoting it. There are many others however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #11 Posted August 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. Grumpy said: Do you have a link to the study or, more preferably, an article that summarizes it for idiots link me? https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916 Do you even Google? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #12 Posted August 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Well hell, it should be ok to allow people to climb skyscrapers again. The occasional blood stain on the sidewalk is just the cost of freedom. In addition to sports, there are a lot of ramifications for the young going forward as we stuff them into the classroom again. Education is overrated. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #13 Posted August 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr. Grumpy said: Do you have a link to the study or, more preferably, an article that summarizes it for idiots link me? See post number #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #14 Posted August 11, 2020 Just now, Dottles said: Education is overrated. Jesus. Yeah, he never went to school. He did hang out in the temple and listen to the elders when he was not going ham sandwich on the guys selling animals and making change though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #15 Posted August 11, 2020 1 minute ago, jsharr said: Yeah, he never went to school. He did hang out in the temple and listen to the elders when he was not going ham sandwich on the guys selling animals and making change though. Ham sammich? Is it lunch yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted August 11, 2020 Share #16 Posted August 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: You could try the OP. I believe Dots was quoting it. There are many others however. 2 minutes ago, Dottles said: See post number #1. I just looked at the pictures. 4 minutes ago, jsharr said: https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916 Do you even Google? Is Google like the Dewy Decimal System? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #17 Posted August 11, 2020 Just now, Mr. Grumpy said: I just looked at the pictures. Is Google like the Dewy Decimal System? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #18 Posted August 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Well hell, it should be ok to allow people to climb skyscrapers again. The occasional blood stain on the sidewalk is just the cost of freedom. In addition to sports, there are a lot of ramifications for the young going forward as we stuff them into the classroom again. Wait! You can't climb skyscrapers???? But strangely, freedom really does mean you can put yourself at some level of risk - all the way to risking life and limb. Certainly, climbing Everest, even "sanitized" as it is these days, is still likely (definitely) riskier than folks playing football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #19 Posted August 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, jsharr said: His lips move when he reads, does that count? I also talk to myself. I know that you know that I sometimes get the jist of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #20 Posted August 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dottles said: I also talk to myself. I know that you know that I sometimes get the jist of it. I get the gist of this thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted August 11, 2020 Share #21 Posted August 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, Dottles said: "In Germany, a study of recovered patients found that 78% had structural changes to their hearts and 60% showed signs of myocarditis." Jim Harbaugh assured me that nothing bad will happen. Who should we listen to, a study by a group of scientist who are looking for government grants or a football coach? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #22 Posted August 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. Grumpy said: Jim Harbaugh assured me that nothing bad will happen. Who should we listen to, a study by a group of scientist who are looking for government grants or a football coach? What's tough to understand is that the coaches, staff, and ownership are the group MOST at risk, as many skew towards older and less than ideal physical condition. In any case, it seems like a lot of moving parts to run something like a football team with lots of potential for quick spread of COVID. Pro players, at least, have a stronger ability to choose to sit out a season than do college kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share #23 Posted August 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Wait! You can't climb skyscrapers???? But strangely, freedom really does mean you can put yourself at some level of risk - all the way to risking life and limb. Certainly, climbing Everest, even "sanitized" as it is these days, is still likely (definitely) riskier than folks playing football. Sure, and football is a lot of fun so long as it's someone else risking their lives for your enjoyment. I suspect that this points to some fundamental problems in our society. Mind that I do follow NASCAR racing and yes I do ascribe to your attitude toward their acceptance of risks, but in the case of football, we are first and foremost speaking of the safety of children, those who begin in the peewee leagues and progress through high school and then college before turning pro and giving their bodies over to our enjoyment. Perhaps the days of cannon fodder didn't end with rotten brain images but covid will surely be the final straw, at least till there is a vaccine and the players can go back to voluntarily damaging each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share #24 Posted August 11, 2020 Or perhaps the arenas and the circus are necessary to the betterment of civilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #25 Posted August 11, 2020 40 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Sure, and football is a lot of fun so long as it's someone else risking their lives for your enjoyment. I suspect that this points to some fundamental problems in our society. Mind that I do follow NASCAR racing and yes I do ascribe to your attitude toward their acceptance of risks, but in the case of football, we are first and foremost speaking of the safety of children, those who begin in the peewee leagues and progress through high school and then college before turning pro and giving their bodies over to our enjoyment. Perhaps the days of cannon fodder didn't end with rotten brain images but covid will surely be the final straw, at least till there is a vaccine and the players can go back to voluntarily damaging each other. Boxing, MMA, or hockey? Sports where punching (and sometimes kicking) are encouraged, or, literally, the whole point. I'm not sure what different societies do to regulate those sports any more or less than we do. But, football - for kids under 18 - is, to me, covered with all other sports right now. I'm in the WTF??? category, but it is parents making those choices, not me, and I'm really hesitant to go down that path of blanket banning of activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted August 11, 2020 Share #26 Posted August 11, 2020 21 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Boxing, MMA, or hockey? Sports where punching (and sometimes kicking) are encouraged, or, literally, the whole point. I'm not sure what different societies do to regulate those sports any more or less than we do. But, football - for kids under 18 - is, to me, covered with all other sports right now. I'm in the WTF??? category, but it is parents making those choices, not me, and I'm really hesitant to go down that path of blanket banning of activities. I played hockey growing up. The punching kicking are VERY discouraged. Checking is allowed but you have to be older. I think 12 or 13 before it is allowed. The checking at that age can be dangerous since puberty hits boys around that age so you'll have some pretty big kids playing against some who haven't started growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted August 11, 2020 Share #27 Posted August 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: But, football - for kids under 18 - is, to me, covered with all other sports right now. I'm in the WTF??? category, but it is parents making those choices, not me, and I'm really hesitant to go down that path of blanket banning of activities. Maybe it’s different in other states but HS fall sports are all postponed here. They may hold them in the spring but no 17 YO is playing football. College football is still undecided but an announcement should be coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #28 Posted August 11, 2020 PAC-10s out. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29640603/sources-pac-12-calls-fall-sports-eyes-spring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #29 Posted August 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, ChrisL said: College football is still undecided but an announcement should be coming soon. See above. Pac-10 decided a few hours ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted August 11, 2020 Share #30 Posted August 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dottles said: See above. Pac-10 decided a few hours ago. I’m not the only one who still says PAC 10! 😂. At least you didn’t call it the Pac 8! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted August 11, 2020 Share #31 Posted August 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, ChrisL said: I’m not the only one who still says PAC 10! 😂. At least you didn’t call it the Pac 8! Well Utah and Colorado are a helluva long way from the Pacific. Come to think of it -- so are the Arizona schools. We should just revert it back to the PAC-8. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted August 12, 2020 Share #32 Posted August 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Razors Edge said: Wait! You can't climb skyscrapers???? Sure you can... (It's probably still illegal.) WoBG and I were in Chicago back in 1981 (was my girlfriend back then) and 'Spiderman Dan' was climbing the John Hancock Tower (100 stories) and we just happened to be there and watched for a while. The interesting (more like disturbing) thing was the some of the people there were wanting this guy to fall. https://drloihjournal.blogspot.com/2018/11/dan-goodwin-spiderman-scaled-john-hancock-building-and-sears-tower-in-1981.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted August 12, 2020 Share #33 Posted August 12, 2020 There is no “need” for college or professional sports, there is just the need for some to appear that life is returning to normal, and the desire to make large amounts of money. The continued disbelief about the infectiousness of this virus is astounding. My Governor has made the “strong recommendation” that all high school (and below) sports be postponed until January 2021, but of course local schools are doing whatever they feel like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted August 12, 2020 Share #34 Posted August 12, 2020 12 hours ago, Dottles said: PAC-10s out. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29640603/sources-pac-12-calls-fall-sports-eyes-spring Big Ten (12?) is out, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted August 12, 2020 Share #35 Posted August 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Big Ten (14?) is out, too. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted August 12, 2020 Share #36 Posted August 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, Kzoo said: FIFY 14? I stopped following when Penn State took them to 11. At least they had a catchy logo then with the 11 included into the “BIGTEN” print. Who did they add, since? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Share #37 Posted August 12, 2020 SEC and ACC going for this year's championship alone? Again? Really, I guess, those are the only two conferences that you really need for college football to "work" and crown a champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted August 12, 2020 Share #38 Posted August 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: 14? I stopped following when Penn State took them to 11. At least they had a catchy logo then with the 11 included into the “BIGTEN” print. Who did they add, since? Penn State/ Nebraska = 12 Then Rutgers/Maryland = 14 I still have to pause at time and think, 14? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share #39 Posted August 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: SEC and ACC going for this year's championship alone? Again? Really, I guess, those are the only two conferences that you really need for college football to "work" and crown a champ. Asterisk champion. Meh. Kill some for the Gipper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Share #40 Posted August 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Asterisk champion. Meh. Kill some for the Gipper. Luckily, no sane person complains about that. It almost makes sense to create a "premier" league for all US sports where it is like 8 teams that play each other for all the marbles each year, and the rest are sort of the minor leagues. It would definitely spice up sports if we only ever had a Cleveland game if they were ever good enough to make the premier group, otherwise, no more Cleveland sports' disasters (on national TV). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share #41 Posted August 12, 2020 Relegation to the CFL followed by moving the CFL champion up. But frankly at this time it makes no sense to play college football. At least the pros are getting paid to destroy themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Share #42 Posted August 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: But frankly at this time it makes no sense to play college football. At least the pros are getting paid to destroy themselves. I do have a hard time wrapping my head around an empty college campus with only the football players there in person. Or maybe the SEC and ACC are also planning to bring their students back to in-class learning? Sort of puts a hole in the whole student-athlete idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Share #43 Posted August 12, 2020 Even if they do not play, A&M will be able to lose a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Share #44 Posted August 12, 2020 1 minute ago, jsharr said: Even if they do not play, A&M will be able to lose a few games. With A&M, isn't the only question whether the band will perform or not???? Think football is risky, try marching in tight formation while strongly exhaling for many minutes with 100+ of your band mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted August 12, 2020 Share #45 Posted August 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, Kzoo said: Nebraska = 12 Then Rutgers/Maryland = 14 Thanks, I had forgotten (or never knew?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Share #46 Posted August 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: With A&M, isn't the only question whether the band will perform or not???? Think football is risky, try marching in tight formation while strongly exhaling for many minutes with 100+ of your band mates. The Aggie Band has never lost a halftime. EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Share #47 Posted August 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, jsharr said: The Aggie Band has never lost a halftime. EVER. Will they be taking the field in 2020? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted August 12, 2020 Share #48 Posted August 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Will they be taking the field in 2020? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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