Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #1 Posted April 18, 2022 https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-17/ukraine-war-america-eu-anti-russia-alliance-may-not-last-long. I'm interested to know what @Wilbur, @maddmaxx, and @Page Turner have to say about it in particular. Oh and all youz udders. Yes, noob, @Razors Edge that includes you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #2 Posted April 18, 2022 What does "not a Bloomberg fan" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted April 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Razors Edge said: What does "not a Bloomberg fan" mean? It means I don't own a subscription. Please -- carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #4 Posted April 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dottles said: It means I don't own a subscription. Please -- carry on. I've read many many good articles on Bloomberg over the years. What DO you have subscriptions to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted April 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: I've read many many good articles on Bloomberg over the years. What DO you have subscriptions to? Nothing now. I just view the free porn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted April 18, 2022 Share #6 Posted April 18, 2022 Canada, Western Europe, Australia, NZ, Japan and Korea, have gotten a free ride defensively over the past 70 years. That is coming to an end. It was in US interest to provide that defense, so I’m not complaining. And it was financed by Trillions of $$ of US debt. Which may come crashing down on us all. Times are shifting, and I predict plenty of upheaval this decade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #7 Posted April 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, BuffJim said: Canada, Western Europe, Australia, NZ, Japan and Korea, have gotten a free ride defensively over the past 70 years. That is coming to an end. It was in US interest to provide that defense, so I’m not complaining. And it was financed by Trillions of $$ of US debt. Which may come crashing down on us all. Times are shifting, and I predict plenty of upheaval this decade. Yep. Unfortunately that vacuum is going to be filled with darkness. I think our joy ride is over. We'll be OK but I expect sacrifice and some suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #8 Posted April 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dottles said: Nothing now. I just view the free porn. So, other than Pornhub, you're pretty much not a fan of any news? Yay. "Democracy dies in darkness" must just be wasted on you! I sure hope the Seahawks can make things turn around - especially for this pesky Ukraine situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #9 Posted April 18, 2022 Just now, Razors Edge said: So, other than Pornhub, you're pretty much not a fan of any news? Yay. "Democracy dies in darkness" must just be wasted on you! I sure hope the Seahawks can make things turn around - especially for this pesky Ukraine situation I read all kinds of articles on the Net. It's decentralized but that fits my guerrilla tendencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #10 Posted April 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: So, other than Pornhub, you're pretty much not a fan of any news? Yay. "Democracy dies in darkness" must just be wasted on you! I sure hope the Seahawks can make things turn around - especially for this pesky Ukraine situation Oddly I don't think we are doomed. I just don't see us competing for a super bowl anytime soon. So back to the article. I'm curious to read what you have to say. Read the whole thing please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #11 Posted April 18, 2022 Just now, Dottles said: I read all kinds of articles on the Net. It's decentralized but that fits my guerrilla tendencies. Darn tootin'! I can never just choose one category either! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6ZNd9OrJkw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #12 Posted April 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, BuffJim said: Canada, Western Europe, Australia, NZ, Japan and Korea, have gotten a free ride defensively over the past 70 years. That is coming to an end. It was in US interest to provide that defense, so I’m not complaining. And it was financed by Trillions of $$ of US debt. Which may come crashing down on us all. Times are shifting, and I predict plenty of upheaval this decade. We prefer to defend our country on other people's beaches, not on our own. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted April 18, 2022 Share #13 Posted April 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Dottles said: I'm interested to know what @Wilbur, @maddmaxx, and @Page Turner have to say about it in particular. ......the Bloombergs lived three doors down from my grandmother's brick row townhouse in Coney Island. They, like all the other Jews I've known and loved, were a part of the international Jewish conspiracy that dates all the way back to the protocols of the Elders of Zion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted April 18, 2022 Share #14 Posted April 18, 2022 Quote Henry Kissinger has written: “World order cannot be achieved by any one country acting alone … its components, while maintaining their own values, need to acquire a second culture that is global, structural and juridical … the goal of our era must be to achieve that equilibrium while restraining the dogs of war.” ...or as my mom always told me, do what I say, not what I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #15 Posted April 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Page Turner said: ...or as my mom always told me, do what I say, not what I do. I think she just wanted you to stop wearing her shoes and stealing her make-up! NTTIAWWT (just different times). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted April 18, 2022 Share #16 Posted April 18, 2022 ...so is Biden mimicking Boris Johnson in this photo, or is Johnson making fun of Biden ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #17 Posted April 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Page Turner said: ...so is Biden mimicking Boris Johnson in this photo, or is Johnson making fun of Biden ? Trained by the same person? Point out into the audience and "engage" the crowd? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted April 18, 2022 Share #18 Posted April 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Trained by the same person? ...scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #19 Posted April 18, 2022 Scary is watching all the weather girls and other stand up female newscasters hold one hand with the other in front of their waist. It has to be a trained action taught in weather school. "When you're not pointing at something hold your hands like this". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted April 18, 2022 Share #20 Posted April 18, 2022 ...the logical conclusion is that the weather forecast is always suspect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted April 18, 2022 Share #21 Posted April 18, 2022 @Dottles Did you see this article? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-14/russia-ukraine-war-u-s-is-running-out-of-weapons-aiding-kyiv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #22 Posted April 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Bikeguy said: @Dottles Did you see this article? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-14/russia-ukraine-war-u-s-is-running-out-of-weapons-aiding-kyiv We can always build more. We're good at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #23 Posted April 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Bikeguy said: @Dottles Did you see this article? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-14/russia-ukraine-war-u-s-is-running-out-of-weapons-aiding-kyiv I had not seen this specific article, no, but read similar stories elsewhere. This whole war is going down the toilet... which is what Senor Putin wants IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #24 Posted April 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dottles said: I had not seen this specific article, no, but read similar stories elsewhere. This whole war is going down the toilet... which is what Senor Putin wants IMO. Down the toilet.............so that's what happened to the Moskva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #25 Posted April 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Down the toilet.............so that's what happened to the Moskva Symbolism. That looks like a giant turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #26 Posted April 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Page Turner said: ...so is Biden mimicking Boris Johnson in this photo, or is Johnson making fun of Biden ? Who's the stiff on the far right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Share #27 Posted April 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dottles said: Who's the stiff on the far right? Exactly! You DEFINITELY don't need a subscription to any news magazines or newspapers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted April 18, 2022 Share #28 Posted April 18, 2022 The author threw a lot of darts on targets, but completely missed the pattern they created. He got this one: At that high point of post-Cold War hubris, the U.S. declared that there was “a single sustainable model for national success: freedom, democracy and free enterprise.” And then missed what it meant to his topic. The current "Cold War" isn't Russia v. NATO, East v. West, The US, EU, India - it's not geography or nationality, alliance or uneasy truces. It's one thing, irrespective of boundaries or cultures: Autocracy v democracy. Democracy has been on the decline for a while. People got to pick their governments, grew free and prosperous, grew complacent, and as humans do, want more than the everything they have. Into that void steps the autocrats who promise a return to the good old days where you had everything (and humans easily fall prey to "the good old days" thinking) and you won't have to deal with thinking that challenges your complacency. That's the natural next step to the hubris. But the statement remains true as autocracies by their very definition have one result: A tiny ruling class despised by the vast majority, who will eventually find a way to shed their oppression and remove the autocrats. Another target he hit without discovering what the target was: In the wake of World War II, a cluster of international institutions were created — the UN, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, later followed by the World Trade Organization — to assist the peaceful resolution of disputes, promote free trade and encourage global commerce. Looking back, it is remarkable how much these bodies have achieved, and for how long their moral and economic authority was exercised to do good. So he simply walked away from it. What that cluster of institutions achieved, along with the dawning of the small globe internet age, was a global economy that requires countries participate fully or be left behind. That participation is tenuous. While the indeed result has yet to be achieved - mostly because of a lack of reality in Putin's mind, that financial cooperation is a carrot and a stick. When this is done, Russia will be generations away from becoming a global player in any sense. Xi is far more intelligent, and undoubtedly sees what's coming. And even more, knows China is nothing without money from The US, UK, et al. The author is trying to fit Earth 2022 into Earth 1946 clothing. No wonder he can't seem to make his point. Let's see an article on the current autocracy v democracy battle that will truly define how the next few generations go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted April 18, 2022 Share #29 Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Dottles said: Who's the stiff on the far right? ....notice how Macron is smirking. That's because he's playing with himself up on stage, with the hand in his pocket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #30 Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Razors Edge said: Exactly! You DEFINITELY don't need a subscription to any news magazines or newspapers So you're playing coy now?! We all know that's @Kzoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #31 Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, 12string said: The author threw a lot of darts on targets, but completely missed the pattern they created. He got this one: At that high point of post-Cold War hubris, the U.S. declared that there was “a single sustainable model for national success: freedom, democracy and free enterprise.” And then missed what it meant to his topic. The current "Cold War" isn't Russia v. NATO, East v. West, The US, EU, India - it's not geography or nationality, alliance or uneasy truces. It's one thing, irrespective of boundaries or cultures: Autocracy v democracy. Democracy has been on the decline for a while. People got to pick their governments, grew free and prosperous, grew complacent, and as humans do, want more than the everything they have. Into that void steps the autocrats who promise a return to the good old days where you had everything (and humans easily fall prey to "the good old days" thinking) and you won't have to deal with thinking that challenges your complacency. That's the natural next step to the hubris. But the statement remains true as autocracies by their very definition have one result: A tiny ruling class despised by the vast majority, who will eventually find a way to shed their oppression and remove the autocrats. Another target he hit without discovering what the target was: In the wake of World War II, a cluster of international institutions were created — the UN, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, later followed by the World Trade Organization — to assist the peaceful resolution of disputes, promote free trade and encourage global commerce. Looking back, it is remarkable how much these bodies have achieved, and for how long their moral and economic authority was exercised to do good. So he simply walked away from it. What that cluster of institutions achieved, along with the dawning of the small globe internet age, was a global economy that requires countries participate fully or be left behind. That participation is tenuous. While the indeed result has yet to be achieved - mostly because of a lack of reality in Putin's mind, that financial cooperation is a carrot and a stick. When this is done, Russia will be generations away from becoming a global player in any sense. Xi is far more intelligent, and undoubtedly sees what's coming. And even more, knows China is nothing without money from The US, UK, et al. The author is trying to fit Earth 2022 into Earth 1946 clothing. No wonder he can't seem to make his point. Let's see an article on the current autocracy v democracy battle that will truly define how the next few generations go. Ain't nobody refuting that. Except maybe China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and some others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share #32 Posted April 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, Page Turner said: ....notice how Macron is smirking. That's because he's playing with himself up on stage, with the hand in his pocket. I thought all French did this. Isn't it a custom? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 19, 2022 Share #33 Posted April 19, 2022 17 hours ago, Dottles said: I thought all French did this. Isn't it a custom? No comment on the drastic change to Olaf? He is like a different guy when he puts on a suit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted April 19, 2022 Share #34 Posted April 19, 2022 The article seems to be spinning info to reach a preconceived conclusion. The E.U. is providing $1.6 billion in aid to Ukraine and Germany recently announced it "will increase its Ertüchtigungshilfe — a financial support tool to strengthen military and security forces in partner countries — to €2 billion ($2.2 billion), adding that “the funds will largely benefit Ukraine.”" NATO was growing less and less united, but now the fear of Russia is creating a new Cold War between Russia and NATO. The article states "The old Cold War certainties, the meticulously prepared plans to make common cause in confrontation scenarios between the Soviet Union and the West, no longer exist." Then why are Sweden and Finland in such a hurry to join NATO? It goes on, "Germany claims to back NATO action, but has yet to provide meaningful military aid, and is funding Putin’s war effort by continuing to buy his gas and oil." It leaves out that Germany was highly dependent of Russian energy and can't end it overnight without drastic problems for Germany. Yet it has dropped it's Russian natural gas use from 55% to 40% and it's Russian oil use from 35% to 25%. I canceled a pipeline that's virtually completed in the Baltic Sea coming from Russia. Yet the article misleads us by saying it's "continuing" to buy Russian energy. What a cheap shot! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share #35 Posted April 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Razors Edge said: No comment on the drastic change to Olaf? He is like a different guy when he puts on a suit! Long live Olaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 19, 2022 Share #36 Posted April 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dottles said: Long live Olaf I'm impressed you know 3 out of the 4! And that you really dig the German one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share #37 Posted April 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: I'm impressed you know 3 out of the 4! And that you really dig the German one! Get outta here. Olaf will rule them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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