Prophet Zacharia Posted October 9, 2021 Share #1 Posted October 9, 2021 On a scale of Performance to Pretentious, where does this spoiler fall? I don’t know the models of Porsche well enough, but I’ll bet it’s high on the “performance” spectrum? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 9, 2021 Share #2 Posted October 9, 2021 As someone who daily drove a 69 Dodge Charger Daytona I find it difficult to rate toy spoilers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share #3 Posted October 9, 2021 Conspicuous is one word for it. But my “performance” assessment seems on track? And my jaw dropped when I saw the base price. Quote conspicuous rear wing help identify what also happens to be the most powerful production 911 that Porsche has ever built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share #4 Posted October 10, 2021 Maybe the use of “spoiler alert” wasn’t the best thread title for getting more than one car guy’s input! I’m still trying to figure out the year of this car. The model is referred to as the “modern widow maker”… probably because of the 14 mpg city rating? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted October 10, 2021 Share #5 Posted October 10, 2021 This car deserves the spoiler shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share #6 Posted October 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Airehead said: This car deserves the spoiler shown. The more I’ve read about the car, the more amazed it’s on the road. I’ve seen it in my parking lot at work twice in the last month. This one is “new” to the owner, given the temporary plates. Ones I see for sale online often have much less than 10,000 miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted October 10, 2021 Share #7 Posted October 10, 2021 I made this one for my wife. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrAzY Posted October 10, 2021 Share #8 Posted October 10, 2021 For performance.. I'm betting it is show piece more than anything. Typically a spoiler does a better job when it is lower to the rear of the car in the area where it is getting the best downward pressure. That fit is sitting too high to really push the rear of the car down at the height of city driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share #9 Posted October 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, KrAzY said: I'm betting it is show piece more than anything. Are we talking about the Porsche, or the Prius? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrAzY Posted October 10, 2021 Share #10 Posted October 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Are we talking about the Porsche, or the Prius? Well both really.. Porsche is "Oh look at me.. I'm fancy and have money" where the Prius is "Oh look at me.. I'm a vegan and don't know how to drive" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share #11 Posted October 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, KrAzY said: “I'm fancy and have money" I saw a Lamborghini SUV on the road yesterday. The “I have money” seemed to apply, but I didn’t get the “fancy” sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrAzY Posted October 10, 2021 Share #12 Posted October 10, 2021 Just now, Prophet Zacharia said: I saw a Lamborghini SUV on the road yesterday. The “I have money” seemed to apply, but I didn’t get the “fancy” sense. I understand the times change and vehicle companies need to try and better their product for people to want to buy it, but a lot of companies have totally lost the concept of what they used to be. The more they change their vehicles the more they change their technology and there is nothing a person can do to fix their vehicle without going to a dealer. Luxury vehicles are not even luxury anymore, they are just the "Look at me" status symbols. I'm gonna have to look up the Lambo SUV... I'm interested in seeing if it looks goofy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrAzY Posted October 10, 2021 Share #13 Posted October 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: I saw a Lamborghini SUV on the road yesterday. The “I have money” seemed to apply, but I didn’t get the “fancy” sense. So it looks like they went from a low profile good aerodynamic vehicle to a semi aerodynamic lego.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share #14 Posted October 10, 2021 The Urus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted October 10, 2021 Share #15 Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Prophet Zacharia said: The Urus. No scaffolding. I don't think you saw that Urus nor took that picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 10, 2021 Share #16 Posted October 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Maybe the use of “spoiler alert” wasn’t the best thread title for getting more than one car guy’s input! I’m still trying to figure out the year of this car. The model is referred to as the “modern widow maker”… probably because of the 14 mpg city rating? It's a Porsche 997 GT2 and like several series before it the name widowmaker was deserved. First, it's a typical high horsepower, rear engine, rear wheel drive Porsche. The weight bias is not what most drivers are used to. The car has a high polar moment and can get the driver into a situation where the back end is coming around and more or less power won't stop the swing. Second the car suffers from turbo lag. You start to exit a corner and the boost lags behind your throttle foot until suddenly there is a lot more power than you felt like you were asking for. Bang, around comes the back end. The 997 did have Porsche's first generation traction control, but the first gen stuff sucked. So, there you have a street driven boy toy, purchased by drivers without enough high performance Porsche driving experience with too much power for the available traction and a propensity for suddenly traveling back end first. Widowmaker indeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted October 10, 2021 Share #17 Posted October 10, 2021 I win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 10, 2021 Share #18 Posted October 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, donkpow said: I win. Looks like an X rated wing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 10, 2021 Share #19 Posted October 10, 2021 5 hours ago, KrAzY said: For performance.. I'm betting it is show piece more than anything. Typically a spoiler does a better job when it is lower to the rear of the car in the area where it is getting the best downward pressure. That fit is sitting too high to really push the rear of the car down at the height of city driving. Wut? They put it up there to be in clean air and it generated 900 lbs of down force at race speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted October 10, 2021 Share #20 Posted October 10, 2021 39 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Porsche 997 GT2 Looks like the newer 991 GT2. The 997 GT2 had a much more subtle (yet still big) wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 10, 2021 Share #21 Posted October 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Looks like the newer 991 GT2. The 997 GT2 had a much more subtle (yet still big) wing Sorry. I was responding to the "modern widowmaker" part of the question. the 997 was the "modern widowmaker" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrAzY Posted October 10, 2021 Share #22 Posted October 10, 2021 26 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Wut? They put it up there to be in clean air and it generated 900 lbs of down force at race speed. At that height, it’s for roosting Pigeons🤫 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted October 10, 2021 Share #23 Posted October 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, KrAzY said: At that height, it’s for roosting Pigeons🤫 You could stand on it in the staging lanes and watch the races. It was an aluminium extrusion with threaded rod ends at each end that allowed for the incidence to be changed. The verticals were filled with beams that went through the trunk space and attached at the top of the rear spring hangers. It was flat on top and upside down wing shaped. Anything over 120 would pull the paint off the bottom of the wind. Dodge repainted it several times for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share #24 Posted October 10, 2021 57 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Widowmaker indeed. I knew citing fuel efficiency would amp up the conversation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted October 10, 2021 Share #25 Posted October 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Sorry. I was responding to the "modern widowmaker" part of the question. the 997 was the "modern widowmaker" Oh, yeah! Pretty much most of those 911 Turbo derivatives that are RWD seem like potential widowmakers - especially to the unfamiliar new owner or the "hold my beer" types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted October 10, 2021 Share #26 Posted October 10, 2021 5 hours ago, KrAzY said: Well both really.. Porsche is "Oh look at me.. I'm fancy and have money" … …and drive my car super fast at the local speedway for kicks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted October 10, 2021 Share #27 Posted October 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, MoseySusan said: …and drive my car super fast at the local speedway for kicks. My buddy has two Porsches. He is single, and middle aged, so he has the time and money to enjoy his car. He drives the Cayenne as his regular "car', but the 911 is his weekend car, but more importantly, his track car. It's a fun track car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted October 10, 2021 Share #28 Posted October 10, 2021 On 10/9/2021 at 1:34 AM, Prophet Zacharia said: On a scale of Performance to Pretentious, where does this spoiler fall? If you have to ask... you can't afford it. At close to 200 mph the wing will provide 750 pounds of downforce. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a12499392/why-porsche-911-gt2-rs-is-so-fast-at-nurburgring/ I called the rear spoiler on my 1977 Camaro 'the snow catcher'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted October 10, 2021 Share #29 Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Razors Edge said: Oh, yeah! Pretty much most of those 911 Turbo derivatives that are RWD seem like potential widowmakers - especially to the unfamiliar new owner or the "hold my beer martini" types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted October 10, 2021 Share #30 Posted October 10, 2021 That is a street legal race car. Wicked fast and can go through the twisties really good. It serves a purpose if the car is driven hard on the track. For everyday street driving, it does not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted October 10, 2021 Share #31 Posted October 10, 2021 https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-gt2-rs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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