*** NO SPOILERS ***

[maddmaxx ★]

It was such an important post that it simply transcended any requests to stfu.

[Ralphie ★]

I played Mel Brooks and kept trying to use Spoilers as the password instead of Spoiler.   SW has a good argument about how the other style spoiler function like this will still show up in Unread posts.  Hmm, let's test for find anyhoo, because I can't post an unread post for my own self.

Spoiler

Mooseface

Hmm, did not immediately show up in a search, but it migjht take a while to get indexed or something.  But once one of you fine forumites respond to this I will be able to see how it works.   I would think the spoiler function remains intact.

 

[Road Runner]

4 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said:

SW has a god argument

[Ralphie ★]

10 minutes ago, Road Runner said:

Ralphs say the darndest things.  That type statement is actually sort of true.

Ok, I had that wrong, he didn't say spoiler function, he said spoiler tag.  But anyhoo, there are a brazilian ways to skin a kat, and someone has to choose, so I am happy to go along with the chosen convention.  But I can appreciate the need to know why - after all, all us 3 years olds are always saying why, why. why.   And it is a part of 6 sigma, the 5 whys. 

As an example, why do people insist on driving in the left lane when it is 'sposed to be for passing?  Or another great example a salesman once gave me for his painfully slow product that I thought was was a singularly brilliant observation.  He said people don't tend to ask how it works as much when it works well.

 

 

[Road Runner]

42 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said:

But I can appreciate the need to know why

I think we know why, it's just that the alternative way to skin a rat may be better if it encourages the most participation among our few remaining active forum members.  Just like the comic strips, we used to read them and make funny comments about them.  They were fun and enjoyable.  But now they wallow in comic strip Siberia and are mostly ignored.  Moving the Tour discussions to a password protected sub-forum means that the level of participation in Tour discussions will likely be significantly diminished.  I happen to think this place is the most fun and even the most enlightening when as many people as possible take part in any discussion.     

[Razors Edge ★]

9 hours ago, Dottles said:

I don't know any of the riders or who crossed the line and I didn't spoil with any names

Huh??? You spoiled a stage, and you didn't bother to actually follow the stage???? That's even worse!  WTF??? 

[Randomguy]

On 6/26/2021 at 4:59 PM, Square Wheels said:

There are many viewing options for the site.  I chose the easy way.  I click the "Unread Content" link, then when I finish that thread I simply click the "Next unread topic" link.   There is no way for me to see the Spoiler tag that way.

But why on earth would you read every topic?  Most people look at a title and decide that something can wait or if they want to open it right away.

[MoseySusan]

On 6/27/2021 at 8:46 AM, Road Runner said:

.  But now they wallow in comic strip Siberia and are mostly ignored.  Moving the Tour discussions to a password protected sub-forum means that the level of participation in Tour discussions will likely be significantly diminished.  I happen to think this place is the most fun and even the most enlightening when as many people as possible take part in any discussion

I agree. It’s no longer an abstract issue for consideration. It’s been three days now, and there’s been no Tour discussion. Like it isn’t even happening. The sub forums have a chilling effect. 

[Razors Edge ★]

21 minutes ago, MoseySusan said:

I agree. It’s no longer an abstract issue for consideration. It’s been three days now, and there’s been no Tour discussion. Like it isn’t even happening. The sub forums have a chilling effect. 

Was there Giro discussion? The Dauphine? Any of the Monuments? Any of the cyclocross season? The cyclocross World's? Unbound 200? @bikeman564™ mentioned the US National race, and we REAL TIME discussed RAAM, but otherwise, a seeming wasteland here and there of cycling race discussion.

[maddmaxx ★]

On 6/27/2021 at 10:46 AM, Road Runner said:

I think we know why, it's just that the alternative way to skin a rat may be better if it encourages the most participation among our few remaining active forum members.  Just like the comic strips, we used to read them and make funny comments about them.  They were fun and enjoyable.  But now they wallow in comic strip Siberia and are mostly ignored.  Moving the Tour discussions to a password protected sub-forum means that the level of participation in Tour discussions will likely be significantly diminished.  I happen to think this place is the most fun and even the most enlightening when as many people as possible take part in any discussion.     

We've done it every year for as long as I remember.  Are we still arguing over a couple of people who want to spoil spoilers?

[Randomguy]

Just now, MoseySusan said:

I agree. It’s no longer an abstract issue for consideration. It’s been three days now, and there’s been no Tour discussion. Like it isn’t even happening. The sub forums have a chilling effect. 

I have thought about this some more, and from many angles.  At first I was just humoring RR, who was in an angsty mood, but deserved to be heard.  But then I thought about it more and more and came to some conclusions.

The first conclusion is that every year, somebody says something like "sure are a lot of garishly-outfitted road bike riders in one area in France, there may be a race starting up", and several other tightly wound people immediately yell and scream "SPOILER OF ALL THINGS GOOD IN THE WORLD" and "DEVIL SPAWN" and point fingers and throw rotting tomatoes and want that person to have a big S for spoiler in their avatar, and the end result is that nobody ever talks about a major interest of most of us here.  At all. 

Conclusion?  RR is right. Not a damn person goes to the other area, other than a token effort, and we just don't talk about the biggest bike races on the planet.

When I can watch a stage, I watch a stage.  If I miss a stage, I read about it and I know what is happening for the next stage and I am no worse off.  I often go back and read the live report and I hear all about what happened and with a time stamp which also tells me where in the race something happened, say 60km's from the finish, some poor sap had a drone fly into him and dnf'd because he is now blind.   If I hear a spoiler, it doesn't ruin any damn thing because it is nothing without context.  If somehow it was so compelling, I can hit the highlights on youtube or somesuch and see how something unfolded.  If I go away for several days, I can look at the GC standings and read a recap and time gaps and understand what is going on pretty damn quickly, no need to go back and hear Phil and Bob talk about who scratched whose balls in the feed zone every day.

The second conclusion?  Nobody really posts even vague spoilers after the first alarmist shout-down, so spoilers really haven't been an issue anyway.  But that is beside the point.  What we have here are people who are resistant to even considering they are going about something the wrong way.  Which is exactly the way the recorders are doing it.  

WHY do you have to have EVERY stage recorded if you don't plan on watching every stage you have recorded?  In case what?  Observation has proven time and again that absolutely no one  will watch even 10% of any of the recorded stages, and if those are even started, they will be ff'd through to the end and so just revealing what you would have learned by reading about it.  Yet you forget this yearly and still record them and squelch discussion so that, just in case, you might watch the ending 10 days later and not give a shit about everything else that makes the tour great to watch other than the result.  It is like you only watch money shots on pornhub and don't even look at the boobs of the hot adult stepsisters and their nude stepsister friends who are suddenly and without warning giving a handy for no good reason.

Anyway, you recorders are focusing on the wrong things in my mind, and making a tragedy up in your minds about the whole thing.  Everyone not on the forum is talking about the race in real time, so 95% of the cycling public or thereabouts. 

I recommend that you watch the stage, but failing that, pull up the live report (the day of the stage) like this spoiler filled example https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2021/stage-3/live-report/   Failing that, look at the results from cycling sites as soon as the stage is over, and read an article or two about what happened to catch yourself up, and don't worry so much about stages that are already over, just watch the next stage while being fully caught up on know what is going on.  You can still watch the stage if you know what is going on in the race and still enjoy it from another perspective.  Just try it for a week or so and see if you feel better off, I implore you.  The gift in all this is that you can discuss the tour like everyone else is, yay!

Anyway, I am not expecting a change unless most of the people start clamoring for it, just expressing my view and support for RR's take on it, too.  Just as in years past, I won't post spoilers of the stage or even talk about the race except in winter when nobody will bitch too much about how they are finally getting to 17th stage of the 2018 tour.  RR never posted spoilers that I remember, we all really like the recorders even if they are wrong about the tour.

 

[Road Runner]

58 minutes ago, Razors Edge said:

Was there Giro discussion? The Dauphine? Any of the Monuments? Any of the cyclocross season? The cyclocross World's? Unbound 200? @bikeman564™ mentioned the US National race, and we REAL TIME discussed RAAM, but otherwise, a seeming wasteland here and there of cycling race discussion.

Let's try it one day on the Cafe.  We won't spill the beans in the title and we will also put "(SPOILER)" in the title as well.  Let's see if any discussion ensues.     

[AirwickWithCheese]

2 minutes ago, Road Runner said:

Let's try it one day on the Cafe.  We won't spill the beans in the title and we will also put "(SPOILER)" in the title as well.  Let's see if any discussion ensues.     

I can only offer you another picture of Zooey.  

[Road Runner]

Just now, AirwickWithCheese said:

I can only offer you another picture of Zooey.  

Zooey agrees with me.  Things in the Cafe get talked about.  Things in other forums are ignored.

[Randomguy]

1 minute ago, Road Runner said:

Zooey agrees with me.  Things in the Cafe get talked about.  Things in other forums are ignored.

I have never entered the Zooey Deschanel forum, am I going to die?

[maddmaxx ★]

11 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

I have thought about this some more, and from many angles.  At first I was just humoring RR, who was in an angsty mood, but deserved to be heard.  But then I thought about it more and more and came to some conclusions.

The first conclusion is that every year, somebody says something like "sure are a lot of garishly-outfitted road bike riders in one area in France, there may be a race starting up", and several other tightly wound people immediately yell and scream "SPOILER OF ALL THINGS GOOD IN THE WORLD" and "DEVIL SPAWN" and point fingers and throw rotting tomatoes and want that person to have a big S for spoiler in their avatar, and the end result is that nobody ever talks about a major interest of most of us here.  At all. 

Conclusion?  RR is right. Not a damn person goes to the other area, other than a token effort, and we just don't talk about the biggest bike races on the planet.

When I can watch a stage, I watch a stage.  If I miss a stage, I read about it and I know what is happening for the next stage and I am no worse off.  I often go back and read the live report and I hear all about what happened and with a time stamp which also tells me where in the race something happened, say 60km's from the finish, some poor sap had a drone fly into him and dnf'd because he is now blind.   If I hear a spoiler, it doesn't ruin any damn thing because it is nothing without context.  If somehow it was so compelling, I can hit the highlights on youtube or somesuch and see how something unfolded.  If I go away for several days, I can look at the GC standings and read a recap and time gaps and understand what is going on pretty damn quickly, no need to go back and hear Phil and Bob talk about who scratched whose balls in the feed zone every day.

The second conclusion?  Nobody really posts even vague spoilers after the first alarmist shout-down, so spoilers really haven't been an issue anyway.  But that is beside the point.  What we have here are people who are resistant to even considering they are going about something the wrong way.  Which is exactly the way the recorders are doing it.  

WHY do you have to have EVERY stage recorded if you don't plan on watching every stage you have recorded?  In case what?  Observation has proven time and again that absolutely no one  will watch even 10% of any of the recorded stages, and if those are even started, they will be ff'd through to the end and so just revealing what you would have learned by reading about it.  Yet you forget this yearly and still record them and squelch discussion so that, just in case, you might watch the ending 10 days later and not give a shit about everything else that makes the tour great to watch other than the result.  It is like you only watch money shots on pornhub and don't even look at the boobs of the hot adult stepsisters and their nude stepsister friends who are suddenly and without warning giving a handy for no good reason.

Anyway, you recorders are focusing on the wrong things in my mind, and making a tragedy up in your minds about the whole thing.  Everyone not on the forum is talking about the race in real time, so 95% of the cycling public or thereabouts. 

I recommend that you watch the stage, but failing that, pull up the live report (the day of the stage) like this spoiler filled example https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2021/stage-3/live-report/   Failing that, look at the results from cycling sites as soon as the stage is over, and read an article or two about what happened to catch yourself up, and don't worry so much about stages that are already over, just watch the next stage while being fully caught up on know what is going on.  You can still watch the stage if you know what is going on in the race and still enjoy it from another perspective.  Just try it for a week or so and see if you feel better off, I implore you.  The gift in all this is that you can discuss the tour like everyone else is, yay!

Anyway, I am not expecting a change unless most of the people start clamoring for it, just expressing my view and support for RR's take on it, too.  Just as in years past, I won't post spoilers of the stage or even talk about the race except in winter when nobody will bitch too much about how they are finally getting to 17th stage of the 2018 tour.  RR never posted spoilers that I remember, we all really like the recorders even if they are wrong about the tour.

 

You need to buy a forum

[Prophet Zacharia]

[AirwickWithCheese]

3 minutes ago, Road Runner said:

Zooey agrees with me.  Things in the Cafe get talked about.  Things in other forums are ignored.

Zooey only cares about frilly dresses, organic swimming pools, and Edward Hooperesque paintings. 

Things that at one time were important to you also. 

[Randomguy]

2 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

You need to buy a forum

I can't even afford to pay attention!

[Randomguy]

2 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said:

People tune this one out because it jumped the shark when "jump the shark" jumped the shark.

[Prophet Zacharia]

Just now, Randomguy said:

People tune this one out because it jumped the shark when "jump the shark" jumped the shark.

It’s retro. It’s LF golden years.

[MoseySusan]

40 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

It is like you only watch money shots on pornhub and don't even look at the boobs of the hot adult stepsisters and their nude stepsister friends who are suddenly and without warning giving a handy for no good reason.

WTAF. 

 

43 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

Anyway, I am not expecting a change unless most of the people start clamoring for it, just expressing my view and support for RR's take on it, too.  Just as in years past, I won't post spoilers of the stage or even talk about the race except in winter

I thought there might be a day’s lag, maybe two days since the event started on a weekend. We’re going on three days of sitting on our hands waiting for the go-ahead. 

[Some Old Guy]

It seems to me that if there is a thread titled "Stage Three (SPOILER)" and it has a spoiler tag, people who don't want to read it can simply not read it.  

[Randomguy]

5 minutes ago, MoseySusan said:

WTAF. 

 

I thought there might be a day’s lag, maybe two days since the event started on a weekend. We’re going on three days of sitting on our hands waiting for the go-ahead. 

The go ahead is at a nebulous time, never defined, never talked about.

WTAF is right!  Porn is so silly these days, not like in the old days when people were overly hairy everywhere and the movies had plots for some reason.  Now they just have titles which make no sense.

[Road Runner]

2 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

Porn is so silly these days, not like in the old days when people were overly hairy everywhere and the movies had plots for some reason.

But we watched them anyway, even though we knew the eventual out-come (PI).

[Randomguy]

1 minute ago, Clark said:

It seems to me that if there is a thread titled "Stage Three (SPOILER)" and it has a spoiler tag, people who don't want to read it can simply not read it.  

That doesn't work because SW said he reads every post sequentially and doesn't even read the titles.  I really don't understand it, it is like language has no meaning any more.

[Randomguy]

11 minutes ago, Road Runner said:

But we still watched them anyway, even though we knew the eventual outcome (PI).

I could make better porn with my eyes closed and one hand tied behind my back.  I wouldn't once use the terms "stepsister" or "step mom" or "pizza boy".

[Road Runner]

2 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

That doesn't work because SW said he reads every post sequentially and doesn't even read the titles.  I really don't understand it, it is like language has no meaning any more.

Maybe for just three weeks, he could read the titles before opening them.  

[Road Runner]

1 minute ago, Pizza Boy said:

I wouldn't once use the term "stepsister" or "step mom" or "pizza boy".

I know.  What is up with the stepmom crap?  

[Randomguy]

1 minute ago, Road Runner said:

I know.  What is up with the stepmom crap?  

I don't get it.  Maybe the porn world dumbed down to keep in step with southerners and aligned with their deeply rooted horny fantasies about family members.

[Road Runner]

3 minutes ago, Pizza Boy said:

Maybe the porn world dumbed down

Unpossible

[Randomguy]

Just now, Road Runner said:

Unpossible

Do you like my new name?  I briefly considered "Horny Stepsister", but I felt Pizza Boy captured my true essence better, plus I know Cheese wants to use that name.

[Road Runner]

1 minute ago, Pizza Boy said:

Do you like my new name?  I briefly considered "Horny Stepsister", but I felt Pizza Boy captured my true essence better, plus I know Cheese wants to use that name.

Excellent!  Maybe I will become "The Plumber".  

[Wilbur ★]

Screw, y'all!  I will post as many spoilers as I like! 

[Ralphie ★]

14 hours ago, Road Runner said:

Zooey agrees with me.  Things in the Cafe get talked about.  Things in other forums are ignored.

Balkanization is indeed a thing! Cough cough bike forums.  Hierarchies don’t really work. What works is keeping all the world’s info in a big wug and letting google sort it oot. Not a direct analogy to a forum though, because here clutter matters. It is indeed a dilemma for the ages!  

[Razors Edge ★]

14 minutes ago, Philander Seabury said:

Balkanization is indeed a thing! Cough cough bike forums.  Hierarchies don’t really work. What works is keeping all the world’s info in a big wug and letting google sort it oot. Not a direct analogy to a forum though, because here clutter matters. It is indeed a dilemma for the ages!  

Things in the Cafe have the half-life of a cicada.  Very few are "discussed" and even fewer "last" without the aid of being pinned.

[Randomguy]

1 minute ago, Razors Edge said:

Very few are "discussed" and even fewer "last" without the aid of being pinned.

[Longjohn ★]

On 6/26/2021 at 1:58 PM, Square Wheels said:

No

There are sections for that.

Professional Cycling

Cycling News

Both are password protected.  That way they will not show up in the unread topic's feeds.

 

Can someone move my thread to this or just delete it?

[Razors Edge ★]

5 minutes ago, Longjohn said:

Can someone move my thread to this or just delete it?

What thread? Your one on bandages?  That's old news!  But we do love to embargo stages for a few hours days weeks months years!

[Randomguy]

6 minutes ago, Longjohn said:

Can someone move my thread to this or just delete it?

It has been there a long ass time, hasn't it?

[Road Runner]

18 minutes ago, Longjohn said:

Can someone move my thread to this or just delete it?

I'm sure one of our mods can unpin it for you.  

@bikeman564™ @Kzoo 

[Longjohn ★]

30 minutes ago, Razors Edge said:

What thread? Your one on bandages?  That's old news!  But we do love to embargo stages for a few hours days weeks months years!

Yes the one on bandages. I didn’t think it was a spoiler when I posted it. I didn’t know who that guy was that was all bandaged up. I figured he was in a race and crashed but didn’t think posting his picture was a spoiler.

[Randomguy]

16 minutes ago, Longjohn said:

Yes the one on bandages. I didn’t think it was a spoiler when I posted it. I didn’t know who that guy was that was all bandaged up. I figured he was in a race and crashed but didn’t think posting his picture was a spoiler.

Shoot, I thought you meant YOUR near death experience(s) thread, do you not want that unpinned or do you prefer that it stays pinned?

[Razors Edge ★]

3 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

Shoot, I thought you meant YOUR near death experience(s) thread, do you not want that unpinned or do you prefer that it stays pinned?

Hey - there are still DAILY posts in that one!  LJ is way more entertaining than any TdF thread, so having his topic pinned keeps it right where we want it!

[Randomguy]

1 minute ago, Razors Edge said:

Hey - there are still DAILY posts in that one!  LJ is way more entertaining than any TdF thread, so having his topic pinned keeps it right where we want it!

Yeah, but they don't really say anything anymore unless there is new news, in which case we could always pin another one.  It has been a good thread, though, plus everybody loves LJ, too!

[Razors Edge ★]

Just now, Randomguy said:

Yeah, but they don't really say anything anymore unless there is new news, in which case we could always pin another one.  It has been a good thread, though, plus everybody loves LJ, too!

Just got updates on his old cars! Or arteries??? Or maybe just a drive by to keep the thread packed with new news.

[Road Runner]

7 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

Shoot, I thought you meant YOUR near death experience(s) thread, do you not want that unpinned or do you prefer that it stays pinned?

Me, too.  I just assumed things had calmed down and he wanted his thread unpinned.  I am easily confused.

[Razors Edge ★]

1 minute ago, Road Runner said:

Me, too.  I just assumed things had calmed down and he wanted his thread unpinned.  I am easily confused.

Huh??? How could his comments be misread or misinterpreted?  Odd.

[Randomguy]

8 minutes ago, Razors Edge said:

Huh??? How could his comments be misread or misinterpreted?  Odd.

The internet, it is science.

[Razors Edge ★]

5 minutes ago, Randomguy said:

The internet, it is science.

But now it is starting to makes sense why we can't discuss the TdF in the Cafe!  Folks can't even come close to following instructions nor be counted upon to even comprehend those instructions.

The world is doomed.