Wilbur ★ Posted March 25 Share #1 Posted March 25 Is it even taught anymore or has everything gone CAD and beyond? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 25 Share #2 Posted March 25 Drat! I thought this as a cycling topic! I bet @maddmaxx has a pile of those plane documents in his guest bathroom linen closet. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 25 Share #3 Posted March 25 That was an interesting aircraft. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted March 25 Share #4 Posted March 25 Snot sure I would hope so. I had a lot of drafting classes, and a few CAD classes. Like anything technical I believe understanding the theory is important. The most difficult drafting class I took was Descriptive GeometryThis is basically the projecting of views albeit lines, points, or simple shapes. In CAD this takes no thinking at all. But sometimes you might need to get a true shape of a surface on a drawing which may require a few projections to get it. It's not too bad if the shape is simple, but think of a body panel. When I first started looking for a job in 1994, CAD was just becoming mainstream so I got in at pretty much the beginning of the craze. Some of the first jobs I applied to would consisted of re-drawing hand drawn drawings into CAD. I gotta say though, seeing full sized body panel drawings on vertical drafting boards was pretty cool. The other perk of CAD is, no more lettering In drafting it's not called printing. Anywho, my lettering was decent, but at work I seen a lot of old drawings and the lettering was beautiful. It looked like a printed font. Most teachers didn't mind of your lettering style, but the key is consistency 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted March 25 Share #5 Posted March 25 My uncle Maynard was the chief draftsman for the largest transformer plant in the world at one time. I wonder what he would think of development if he was alive today? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 25 Share #6 Posted March 25 3 minutes ago, bikeman564™ said: Snot sure I would hope so. I had a lot of drafting classes, and a few CAD classes. Like anything technical I believe understanding the theory is important. The most difficult drafting class I took was Descriptive GeometryThis is basically the projecting of views albeit lines, points, or simple shapes. In CAD this takes no thinking at all. But sometimes you might need to get a true shape of a surface on a drawing which may require a few projections to get it. It's not too bad if the shape is simple, but think of a body panel. When I first started looking for a job in 1994, CAD was just becoming mainstream so I got in at pretty much the beginning of the craze. Some of the first jobs I applied to would consisted of re-drawing hand drawn drawings into CAD. I gotta say though, seeing full sized body panel drawings on vertical drafting boards was pretty cool. The other perk of CAD is, no more lettering In drafting it's not called printing. Anywho, my lettering was decent, but at work I seen a lot of old drawings and the lettering was beautiful. It looked like a printed font. Most teachers didn't mind of your lettering style, but the key is consistency I remember drafting classes in high school and again in college as well as architectural drawings in college. They were some of my favorite classes. By the end of my working years though everything was cad both for the laser housings and the electronics, both schematics and ckt board design. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted March 25 Share #7 Posted March 25 @Wilbur I have this hanging up at work. It's a couple miles from my home. It pivots on center for tall boats. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted March 25 Author Share #8 Posted March 25 9 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: That was an interesting aircraft. With a few mods, it would serve Canada well today. Twin engine, mach 2, long range fighter/interceptor. Perfect for patrolling the north. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted March 25 Author Share #9 Posted March 25 1 minute ago, bikeman564™ said: @Wilbur I have this hanging up at work. It's a couple miles from my home. Very cool. The design stood the test of time! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 25 Share #10 Posted March 25 5 minutes ago, Wilbur said: With a few mods, it would serve Canada well today. Twin engine, mach 2, long range fighter/interceptor. Perfect for patrolling the north. Out MiGing the 31. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted March 25 Author Share #11 Posted March 25 3 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: I remember drafting classes in high school and again in college as well as architectural drawings in college. They were some of my favorite classes. By the end of my working years though everything was cad both for the laser housings and the electronics, both schematics and ckt board design. It was my favourite as well. My best friend and I were in drafting together in 12th grade. I was big into drafting and he was big into cutting classes. To keep him alive in class I submitted work for him. I had straight A's until I got an assignment back with a big red "F" on it. It was circled and lower on the drawing the teacher wrote in an expansion circle. "Excellent rendering and lettering. "F" is for forgery". He later reversed that when I agreed to stop drawing for my buddy. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted March 25 Share #12 Posted March 25 Br46 teaches drafting! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted March 25 Author Share #13 Posted March 25 30 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: Drat! I thought this as a cycling topic! I bet @maddmaxx has a pile of those plane documents in his guest bathroom linen closet. They would be worth a lot of money if he did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bikeman564™ Posted March 25 Popular Post Share #14 Posted March 25 In HS, I won a drafting contest and received a sweet set of triangles. The dinner was at Ford Motor Company Design Center, in Dearborn, MI. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 25 Share #15 Posted March 25 We had to take drafting as a segment of shop class in high school. I thought I was gonna hate it, but it turned out to be pretty cool and was instructive in how to plan whatever it was that you had to build. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted March 25 Author Share #16 Posted March 25 1 minute ago, bikeman564™ said: In HS, I won a drafting contest and received a sweet set of triangles. The dinner was at Ford Motor Company Design Center, in Dearborn, MI. That is awesome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted March 25 Share #17 Posted March 25 I never had to take it. Yay for chemical engineering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted March 25 Share #18 Posted March 25 7 minutes ago, Ralphie said: I never had to take it. Yay for chemical engineering. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted March 25 Share #19 Posted March 25 50 minutes ago, Wilbur said: He later reversed that when I agreed to stop drawing for my buddy. I loved it when teachers would reverse a grade. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted March 25 Share #20 Posted March 25 I had 3 years of drafting and design at a technical school in high school. Then I was on a board for about the next 10 years. CAD was nowhere in the commercial drawing space then. The last time I was on a board for reals was about 1980. All was with drafting machines - I have used T-squares but never for serious stuff. We bought a couple of old boards - One Daughter#3 uses for art and another antique wood framed board that WoKzoo uses for her art projects. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted March 25 Share #21 Posted March 25 Good question. Drawings are still needed for building permits, etc. and are probably all CAD based now. Coming from a very poor family and thinking I had no chance for college, in my junior and senior years of high school I took Mechanical Drawing I & 2 and expected to become a draftsman. The teacher also wanted us to know what was involved in the things we were drawing and taught us arc welding, foundry molding, lathe operating, and other stuff that proved useful later in life at one time or another. Early in my senior year, I found out I could work my way through college and become the chemist I wanted to be and I thought that was the end of blueprints. But, several years ago, my sister and BiL decided to make an enclosed tool room at one end of a long carport attached to the side of their house. A small-stuff contractor they knew would do it cheap, but my BiL would need to get to get the building permit. So I was recruited to make the drawing of the unit that was required for the permit. I bought a T-square, triangles, template with special shapes, etc. and drew it by hand, as I had been taught half a century earlier, wondering if my drawing was out of date. It turned out that I had done it perfectly except that I didn't take into account the weight supported by the new walls that would be bearing down on the cement slab driveway that was under the carport. The architect in the Inspections and Permits office told me, "Just draw an arrow to the edge of the slab and write '2 foot cement footer under slab where wall exists.'" And we got the permit! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentonMakes Posted March 25 Share #22 Posted March 25 We had a drafting course freshman year of college (1990-91) - we spent about half the semester with pencils and triangles, and half at a terminal (we learned "Cadkey"). I have an AutoCAD assignment up right now. I'm always happy to be doing CAD work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted March 25 Share #23 Posted March 25 6 minutes ago, TrentonMakes said: We had a drafting course freshman year of college (1990-91) - we spent about half the semester with pencils and triangles, and half at a terminal (we learned "Cadkey"). I have an AutoCAD assignment up right now. I'm always happy to be doing CAD work. In 1992 I learned on AutoCAD, version 11 IIRC, then 12. When we began looking at Solid modeling in 2006, we tried out Inventor which is Autodesk and Solidworks. We went w/ Solidworks, and had it since. We also bought Solidworks Simulation in 2009. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted March 25 Share #24 Posted March 25 Drafting was one of my favorite classes, and I used what I learned on many projects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentonMakes Posted March 25 Share #25 Posted March 25 5 minutes ago, bikeman564™ said: In 1992 I learned on AutoCAD, version 11 IIRC, then 12. When we began looking at Solid modeling in 2006, we tried out Inventor which is Autodesk and Solidworks. We went w/ Solidworks, and had it since. We also bought Solidworks Simulation in 2009. I have probably told this story before, but we developed a site layout/design for our senior design project using AutoCAD v10 for DOS, on an old 8086 machine. We'd postpone a regen as long as we could - computer: "ABOUT TO REGEN - PROCEED? (Y/N)" all of us: "No! No! No!" but once the computer stopped asking nice, and insisted, we walked over to another building to get coffee and/or a snack, while it spun. IIRC it took around 10 minutes to regenerate that file. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted March 25 Share #26 Posted March 25 7 minutes ago, TrentonMakes said: I have probably told this story before, but we developed a site layout/design for our senior design project using AutoCAD v10 for DOS, on an old 8086 machine. We'd postpone a regen as long as we could - computer: "ABOUT TO REGEN - PROCEED? (Y/N)" all of us: "No! No! No!" but once the computer stopped asking nice, and insisted, we walked over to another building to get coffee and/or a snack, while it spun. IIRC it took around 10 minutes to regenerate that file. Yup. Versions 11 & 12 were DOS. In school we had a digitzer. The first Windows version was 13 IIRC. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentonMakes Posted March 25 Share #27 Posted March 25 2 minutes ago, bikeman564™ said: Yup. Versions 11 & 12 were DOS. In school we had a digitzer. The first Windows version was 13 IIRC. I think I was still using DOS-based CAD for a couple years once I started working. To this day, when I use CAD, I've got my right hand on the mouse, and left hand on the keyboard. L for line, CO for copy, OF for offset... old habits die hard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 25 Share #28 Posted March 25 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted March 25 Share #29 Posted March 25 1 minute ago, Randomguy said: What a great place for them to poop. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 25 Share #30 Posted March 25 3 minutes ago, Kzoo said: What a great place for them to poop. I think we found the solution! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted March 25 Share #31 Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Ralphie said: I never had to take it. Yay for chemical engineering. No probably have to worry more about preventing chemical explosions (and so does bikeman) and other things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted March 25 Share #32 Posted March 25 It's still drafting. Just using a mouse instead of a pencil. I believe the last time I used my pencils and triangles was 1985. Tsquares, straighedgs (with the red strings), machines. Moved to Applicon then. I've done that, AutoDesk, ProE, Solidworks, Mentor, Altium... It's in my genes. My grandfather was a surveyor. My father was an architect, though truly an artist. His drawings are beautiful. My kitchen island is the old flat file my grandfather started with, repurposed (I may have told this story before) The drawers were full of 3 generations of drawings. I took two - dad's drawings of the house he and my mom built during their courtship - framed them and hung them on the wall by the island. There's a few old drafting tools spread around for display. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 25 Share #33 Posted March 25 I don't think I would allow myself to be drafted. I would tell the government to fuck right off. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted March 25 Share #34 Posted March 25 25 minutes ago, TrentonMakes said: I think I was still using DOS-based CAD for a couple years once I started working. To this day, when I use CAD, I've got my right hand on the mouse, and left hand on the keyboard. L for line, CO for copy, OF for offset... old habits die hard. There's another way? I currently work 3 mice (yes, they're blind) and a keyboard. But, learning a new PCB program, I keep mixing up the left hand commands with other programs' commands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 25 Share #35 Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Ralphie said: I never had to take it. Yay for chemical engineering. Ah yes, the physics of shared electrons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted March 26 Share #36 Posted March 26 21 hours ago, Randomguy said: I don't think I would allow myself to be drafted. I would tell the government to fuck right off. They don’t take well to that attitude. I avoided the draft but I played nice with them. Did it playing by their rules. I’m a lover not a fighter. I would not have made a good soldier. I appreciate those who served including my dad, my brother and too of my sons but I really wanted no part of it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 26 Share #37 Posted March 26 44 minutes ago, Longjohn said: They don’t take well to that attitude. I avoided the draft but I played nice with them. Did it playing by their rules. I’m a lover not a fighter. I would not have made a good soldier. I appreciate those who served including my dad, my brother and too of my sons but I really wanted no part of it myself. I actually do appreciate the old dudes who fought in WW2 or trustingly enlisted with noble intentions. Life has taught me that the government has no noble intentions, and they are perfectly happy sending you into harm's way in order to ensure we can have a military base in a sandpit somewhere or to get marginally cheaper oil before an election. It is no good to be a pawn of old rich white dudes who give no shits about your life as long as they can stay in power or make an extra fraction of a penny from your service. That said, if I had had good eyesight and knees, I would have tried to become a fighter pilot or somesuch if they would have had me. Otherwise, I am happy to have noped outta there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlecan ★ Posted March 26 Share #38 Posted March 26 I had the good fortune to attend a high school with an excellent tech program. In grades 9 and 10, it was drafting and electric shop for one semester, machine shop and auto for the other. for grades 11 and 12, you had to pick a major. I picked machine shop which automatically meant drafting as a minor. I kind of sucked at drafting though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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