Square Wheels Posted November 2, 2016 Share #1 Posted November 2, 2016 SWF is a site for fun, even sometimes for cycling posts. It is not a site for politics, religion, arguing or bickering. We initially created the Politics and Religion section of this site for a place to move contentious posts to, and a place for people to vent their political and religious views. The internet is full of places for posting religious and political posts, I feel these posts no longer fit the culture of our site. Effective today, the P&R section of the site is no longer available. Please remember our rules. Posts related to politics or religion will be hidden and warning points may be issued. Thank you for your continued commitment to making this site better. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Kosciuszko Posted November 2, 2016 Share #2 Posted November 2, 2016 You got rid of the Politics and Religion section?!?! You are going to burn in hell for this, infidel! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted November 2, 2016 Just now, Thaddeus Kosciuszko said: You got rid of the Politics and Religion section?!?! Yes, the posts are still there, just hidden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caretaker Posted November 2, 2016 Share #4 Posted November 2, 2016 It's your site and you can do what yo want with it. Personally I think most subjects have an element of politics, religion or both and to discourage any inclusion of such inevitably leads to a takeover by what I'd characterise as teen-threads mostly involving popular culture and celebs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #5 Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Amadeus said: SWF is a site for fun, even sometimes for cycling posts. It is not a site for politics, religion, arguing or bickering. We initially created the Politics and Religion section of this site for a place to move contentious posts to, and a place for people to vent their political and religious views. The internet is full of places for posting religious and political posts, I feel these posts no longer fit the culture of our site. Effective today, the P&R section of the site is no longer available. Please remember our rules. Posts related to politics or religion will be hidden and warning points may be issued. Thank you for your continued commitment to making this site better. This is Wilbur and I approve this message. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted November 2, 2016 Share #6 Posted November 2, 2016 Can we start this after next week? I'm not done with my brilliant political posting. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share #7 Posted November 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, BuffJim said: Can we start this after next week? I'm not done with my brilliant political posting. You suspect the timing is coincidental? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Come Lately Name Posted November 2, 2016 Share #8 Posted November 2, 2016 I make it a point never to discuss religion, politics or redheaded women. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted November 2, 2016 Share #9 Posted November 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, Amadeus said: You suspect the timing is coincidental? You're from the FBI? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #10 Posted November 2, 2016 I find it difficult to understand why you would stop a political post while still allowing chain lube threads. I am aware that Speed Demon advised you against this but you proceeded anyway because the people have a right to no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Longjohn ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Popular Post Share #11 Posted November 2, 2016 Oh man what rotten timing. I was just about to share my personal testimony and what God has done in my life and how He has changed me for the better. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted November 2, 2016 Share #12 Posted November 2, 2016 15 minutes ago, F_in Ray Of Sunshine said: I make it a point never to discuss religion, politics or redheaded women. Redheaded women are one of my favorite topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #13 Posted November 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Indy said: Redheaded women are one of my favorite topics. Red headed granddaughters is my favorite topic. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted November 2, 2016 Share #14 Posted November 2, 2016 I don't spend time in there much, but was happy it was there. So now we can't talk about politics or religion at all? Personally, I think trying to overly control posts is a bad idea. Bike topics are my favorite, but even in those threads people have opinions. Some opinions are strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jsharr ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Popular Post Share #15 Posted November 2, 2016 Can we pray about this and then have a vote? 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #16 Posted November 2, 2016 I'm not sure why you removed it. It was TAME by most comparisons... and I hadn't noticed any spill over into these forums. It's a shame in a way because it was just starting to get legs -- which undoubtedly is why you removed it I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #17 Posted November 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Amadeus said: Yes, the posts are still there, just hidden. How many potato points if we find them? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #18 Posted November 2, 2016 I only looked in there once, back when I was still working. It was like looking into an empty house. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted November 2, 2016 Share #19 Posted November 2, 2016 42 minutes ago, jsharr said: Can we pray about this and then have a vote? Nominated for POTD 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #20 Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Wilbur said: How many potato points if we find them? Normally I would award half a Brazilian potato points for something like this, but for you @Wilbur, I will offer a full Brazilian! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #21 Posted November 2, 2016 25 minutes ago, Longjohn said: I only looked in there once, back when I was still working. It was like looking into an empty house. Are you sure you were not looking into my soul or Airwick's head? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 2, 2016 Share #22 Posted November 2, 2016 I knew it, all the Trump supporters are right, the left is trying to hide things that might swing the election. Shocking! I am voting God, or Jesus, or Jim Shatner, they are all the same anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJM Posted November 2, 2016 Popular Post Share #23 Posted November 2, 2016 P&R was the only reason I even came to this forum...so, bye. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 2, 2016 Share #24 Posted November 2, 2016 I knew it, all the Hillary supporters are correct, the right is trying to hide things that might swing the election. Shocking! I am voting Satan, or Rosie O'Donnell, or Snoopy, they are all the same anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristen Wiig Posted November 2, 2016 Share #25 Posted November 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, RJM said: P&R was the only reason I even came to this forum...so, bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 2, 2016 Share #26 Posted November 2, 2016 1 minute ago, RJM said: P&R was the only reason I even came to this forum...so, bye. I thought it was nice that there was a place that posts could be taken if not in line with the tone of the cafe. I didn't go in much, but I thought it was nice that it was there. Did something happen to cause a rethink? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #27 Posted November 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I thought it was nice that there was a place that posts could be taken if not in line with the tone of the cafe. I didn't go in much, but I thought it was nice that it was there. Did something happen to cause a rethink? I think it was 2 things. 1) SW didn't want to monitor it, and 2) the powers to be in this forum didn't want it. This place is a niche clique forum that talks a big game of generating new traffic but in the end it's really not that at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #28 Posted November 2, 2016 I looked at it like what forumites do behind closed doors is not my problem. When you spend enough time with someone you eventually find out what they believe but not cluttering the forum with it is really nice. The LF is a total wasteland these days with no redeeming qualities at all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJM Posted November 2, 2016 Share #29 Posted November 2, 2016 Just now, dotman17 said: I think it was 2 things. 1) SW didn't want to narrate it, and 2) the powers to be in this forum didn't want it. This place is a niche clique forum that talks a big game of generating new traffic but in the end it's really not that at all. Seems to be. Without a P&R section it has absolutely no value to me. The cycling specific areas are barren wastelands, so I don't get why this forum has anything to do with cycling. Meh, no big loss as most of the people I know are on a facebook group together anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristen Wiig Posted November 2, 2016 Share #30 Posted November 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, dotman17 said: I think it was 2 things. 1) SW didn't want to monitor it, and 2) the powers to be in this forum didn't want it. This place is a niche clique forum that talks a big game of generating new traffic but in the end it's really not that at all. About half of this place is that asshat jsharr and his sockdrawer circlejerks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #31 Posted November 2, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #32 Posted November 2, 2016 20 minutes ago, RJM said: P&R was the only reason I even came to this forum...so, bye. Live long and prosper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onbike1939 Posted November 2, 2016 Share #33 Posted November 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Amadeus said: SWF is a site for fun, even sometimes for cycling posts. It is not a site for politics, religion, arguing or bickering. We initially created the Politics and Religion section of this site for a place to move contentious posts to, and a place for people to vent their political and religious views. The internet is full of places for posting religious and political posts, I feel these posts no longer fit the culture of our site. Effective today, the P&R section of the site is no longer available. Please remember our rules. Posts related to politics or religion will be hidden and warning points may be issued. Thank you for your continued commitment to making this site better. Well we wouldn't want to change the culture of the site....oh dear me no. However this culture has included extremely nasty, sexist posts in a thread which denigrated women and still includes a "Bikini" thread which many would claim continues the same honourable tradition. Ah well...a pity I feel as it has been moribund until recently. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share #34 Posted November 2, 2016 P&R was created out of need, a need to have a place to put posts that the vast majority of people here don't want to see. This was a poor way of regulating the rules of not allowing P&R posts in the other sections. Also, a tactic some people would use, and often joke about, is to sully someone's thread with a P&R post within a thread knowing that it will get the whole thread moved. Yes, politics have spilled out into the other sections, making it harder to regulate, again using the technique of simply moving the whole thread. There are not many posts in there, and it was only by a few people, and at least one has already bid us farewell admitting they have better avenues to post this info. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #35 Posted November 2, 2016 Everybody wants to be a big city with the money and notoriety but nobody wants a big city because of the problems it brings. RJM is a class guy. While you or others may not miss him, he was not an asshole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share #36 Posted November 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, dotman17 said: he was not an asshole. Did I say he or anyone else was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onbike1939 Posted November 2, 2016 Share #37 Posted November 2, 2016 25 minutes ago, Amadeus said: There are not many posts in there, and it was only by a few people, and at least one has already bid us farewell admitting they have better avenues to post this info. Absolutely right....a few...so not worth worrying about..... adhering to the principle of "Never mind the quality...feel the width" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share #38 Posted November 2, 2016 Just now, onbike1939 said: Absolutely right....a few...so not worth worrying about..... adhering to the principle of "Never mind the quality...feel the width" Do you feel this is the best venue to discuss politics and religion? Aren't there better sites with more lively and robust discussions? Was this place a refuge for people kicked out of other sites? I'm not judging, just asking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #39 Posted November 2, 2016 Just now, Amadeus said: Did I say he or anyone else was? No but I get the sense you and others are trying to preserve this sanctuary for those who call it sanctuary. I appreciate that. I'm simply stating that losing people like the RJM's of the world are not the people you want to be losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share #40 Posted November 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, dotman17 said: No but I get the sense you and others are trying to preserve this sanctuary for those who call it sanctuary. I appreciate that. I'm simply stating that losing people like the RJM's of the world are not the people you want to be losing. I don't want to lose anyone. I am not asking anyone to leave, I am just asking them not to post politics and religion here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #41 Posted November 2, 2016 11 minutes ago, Amadeus said: Do you feel this is the best venue to discuss politics and religion? Aren't there better sites with more lively and robust discussions? Was this place a refuge for people kicked out of other sites? I'm not judging, just asking. I personally came here because I was tired of the P&R scene over there. I did not officially get the boot until I came over here when I saw their bullshit monitoring and I called them on it. There used to be a former mod over there that had been with them for 10 years that came in here and confirmed our suspicions. I wouldn't assume that just because they had issues 'over there' that they are the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 2, 2016 Share #42 Posted November 2, 2016 17 minutes ago, Amadeus said: Did I say he or anyone else was? We are all assholes to someone. I was a whole committee of fancy assholes at one point. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #43 Posted November 2, 2016 Anyway, I like it here and I appreciate you all brin 1 minute ago, Randomguy said: We are all assholes to someone. I was a whole committee of fancy assholes at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 2, 2016 Share #44 Posted November 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Amadeus said: I don't want to lose anyone. I am not asking anyone to leave, I am just asking them not to post politics and religion here. I thought that was the whole point of the P & R forum, keep those posts away in a place that you don't really have to monitor and keep the cafe fun and lively. Perhaps the people that want to poke the bear in P& R take a break here and decide to add to the fun and lively world for a while, it didn't (from my persepective) seem to hurt the cafe a whole lot. I don't think I am amped up one way or another about it because I didn't go there much, but maybe a vote unless you have already decided to kill it with fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onbike1939 Posted November 2, 2016 Share #45 Posted November 2, 2016 Just now, Amadeus said: Do you feel this is the best venue to discuss politics and religion? Aren't there better sites with more lively and robust discussions? Was this place a refuge for people kicked out of other sites? I'm not judging, just asking. I appreciate you not judging but perhaps the time to ask was before you closed P&R. I saw absolutely nothing wrong with the venue and as it was a closed forum and needed a password for access, I'm puzzled as to why you saw it as somehow a threat to the nature of this forum. I was unaware of anything offensive in there and believe me when I say that the sexist and degrading thread I refer to in my earlier post would never, never have been written by any of the posters active in your P&R sub-forum. As to it being a refuge of sorts then I have to say this cannot be entirely true. I'm not banned, neither has max, nor has Page or RJM, and Dotman took himself off. FX is in and out on a regular basis but Late was banned......in a very irregular fashion despite him being a long-standing member and never having been banned before to my knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share #46 Posted November 2, 2016 I'll make a concession, maybe this will work. If you can suggest a viable URL that is available, I will buy it, I will but another copy of the software, and I will move all of the P&R posts to the new site. P&R will still be prohibited here. How does this sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Kosciuszko Posted November 2, 2016 Share #47 Posted November 2, 2016 2 hours ago, jsharr said: Can we pray about this and then have a vote? The vote will be rigged!!! Jsharr's got all the Super Potato Point Delegates!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #48 Posted November 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I thought that was the whole point of the P & R forum, keep those posts away in a place that you don't really have to monitor and keep the cafe fun and lively. Perhaps the people that want to poke the bear in P& R take a break here and decide to add to the fun and lively world for a while, it didn't (from my persepective) seem to hurt the cafe a whole lot. I don't think I am amped up one way or another about it because I didn't go there much, but maybe a vote unless you have already decided to kill it with fire? ^^^ Correct. I don't think it was seriously spilling over at all into the cafe. The few times it did (that I'm aware of) were made by people new to the forum and the quickly adhered to the rules. Look SW, it's your place and ultimately you make all the rules... so it's your right to do what you want. I personally don't agree with it but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted November 2, 2016 Share #49 Posted November 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, onbike1939 said: I appreciate you not judging but perhaps the time to ask was before you closed P&R. I saw absolutely nothing wrong with the venue and as it was a closed forum and needed a password for access, I'm puzzled as to why you saw it as somehow a threat to the nature of this forum. I was unaware of anything offensive in there and believe me when I say that the sexist and degrading thread I refer to in my earlier post would never, never have been written by any of the posters active in your P&R sub-forum. As to it being a refuge of sorts then I have to say this cannot be entirely true. I'm not banned, neither has max, nor has Page or RJM, and Dotman took himself off. FX is in and out on a regular basis but Late was banned......in a very irregular fashion despite him being a long-standing member and never having been banned before to my knowledge. Exactly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted November 2, 2016 Share #50 Posted November 2, 2016 8 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I don't think I am amped up one way or another about it because I didn't go there much First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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