Dottleshead ★ Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share #801 Posted April 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Randomguy said: Things are fine here, no worries. If you like riding the bell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentonMakes Posted April 15, 2020 Share #802 Posted April 15, 2020 351 NJ deaths yesterday, which represents 11% of the total to date. 71K total cases, with 2600+ new positives in the last 24 hours. We are at least on the west side of the state, some distance from the "hot corner". I know we are at least lucky that I'm still working; given that caveat, with numbers like this I'm still not ready to think about reopening. I understand people in more dire financial straits may feel differently. Both my parents (in DE) are high-risk... especially my dad; I'm afraid he wouldn't be able to fight this. Unfortunately he still has to go out every two weeks for treatments... otherwise aside from short walks with the dog he doesn't leave the house. And I wish I didn't find the political angle so infuriating. It hasn't been helping my state of mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 15, 2020 Share #803 Posted April 15, 2020 So much for flattening. CT took off again today at the recent fast rate after a day or two of false promise. Governor Ned Lamont announced the state's largest single day jump in COVID-19 deaths on Wednesday and 200 new cases. The latest numbers from the state revealed 14,755 cases of coronavirus in Connecticut, 1908 hospitalizations and 868 deaths, Lamont announced Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted April 15, 2020 Share #804 Posted April 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: So much for flattening. CT took off again today at the recent fast rate after a day or two of false promise. Governor Ned Lamont announced the state's largest single day jump in COVID-19 deaths on Wednesday and 200 new cases. The latest numbers from the state revealed 14,755 cases of coronavirus in Connecticut, 1908 hospitalizations and 868 deaths, Lamont announced Wednesday. Possibly reporting irregularities. Wait for tomorrow and smooth those numbers out. We jumped yesterday after to very promising days and then went back down today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 15, 2020 Share #805 Posted April 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kzoo said: Possibly reporting irregularities. Wait for tomorrow and smooth those numbers out. We jumped yesterday after to very promising days and then went back down today. Which is the exception and which is the rule? Should we jump around and cheer when the number dips for a day or cry when it jumps up. If one is great news, then the other is bad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted April 15, 2020 Share #806 Posted April 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Which is the exception and which is the rule? Should we jump around and cheer when the number dips for a day or cry when it jumps up. If one is great news, then the other is bad news. Which is why I said.... "Wait for tomorrow and smooth those numbers out." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 15, 2020 Share #807 Posted April 15, 2020 And in further news the mayor of New Haven has said enough is enough, the wearing of a mask is now mandatory inside of stores. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted April 15, 2020 Share #808 Posted April 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: And in further news the mayor of New Haven has said enough is enough, the wearing of a mask is now mandatory inside of stores. I don’t understand the progression from “recommended” to mandatory. By now we should know that most steps will be opposed by some, and it’s slowed the implementation of necessary measures to this point, and cost lives. if the recommendation is to wear a mask in public, mandate it from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 15, 2020 Share #809 Posted April 15, 2020 And New York City now requires the wearing of masks in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted April 15, 2020 Share #810 Posted April 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: And New York City now requires the wearing of masks in public. We’ve been recommended to for a week or more. Not sure if it’s mandatory or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted April 16, 2020 Share #811 Posted April 16, 2020 "ARDS occurs due to an excessive immune response against the Covid-19 virus in the lungs, with the inflammatory cytokines produced by the immune cells, cytokine storm, destroying the lung tissue. These inflammatory cytokines also can cause damage to other organs including liver, kidney and heart." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted April 16, 2020 Share #812 Posted April 16, 2020 12 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said: We’ve been recommended to for a week or more. Not sure if it’s mandatory or not. As of Sunday it will be mandatory for anything other than food and medicine purchase. Which makes me wonder why wait until Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 16, 2020 Share #813 Posted April 16, 2020 This might be a game changer. The navy discovered that more than half of the sailors taken off their aircraft carrier after testing positive never showed the slightest symptoms........ie they could spread it and you'd never know. With only one percent of our population tested so far who can you trust to be sitting next to you on that bar stool when the economy is reopened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend_Maynard Posted April 16, 2020 Share #814 Posted April 16, 2020 Unless we all sit in our homes until a vaccine or cure are developed, there will have to be periods of relaxation, and then restriction again... allowing the infections to continue, but at a rate the health care system can handle. The higher risk groups will have no choice but to wait for that vaccine/cure. The looser the general public's restrictions, the tighter they will have to keep their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 16, 2020 Share #815 Posted April 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, Reverend_Maynard said: Unless we all sit in our homes until a vaccine or cure are developed, there will have to be periods of relaxation, and then restriction again... allowing the infections to continue, but at a rate the health care system can handle. The higher risk groups will have no choice but to wait for that vaccine/cure. The looser the general public's restrictions, the tighter they will have to keep their own. IMO that only works when you can test everyone. Considering that we have tested less than one percent of the population, we don't know anything about who is infected and who isn't and will catch it. With some states bragging about being able to test 10,000 people a day in the future it's going to be a long time before unrestricted opening. Other countries that had this beat are suddenly seeing spikes of increase again. They tried opening. Maybe this time we can learn from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend_Maynard Posted April 16, 2020 Share #816 Posted April 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: IMO that only works when you can test everyone. Considering that we have tested less than one percent of the population, we don't know anything about who is infected and who isn't and will catch it. With some states bragging about being able to test 10,000 people a day in the future it's going to be a long time before unrestricted opening. Other countries that had this beat are suddenly seeing spikes of increase again. They tried opening. Maybe this time we can learn from them. No country ever had this beat, and they knew it. Gradual reopening, followed by pulling back when infection rates rise is just going to be the new normal for the next 12-18 months. We can't starve this thing into submission via quarantine... IMO we can only do that by letting it burn all its fuel (infect virtually everyone), or via a vaccine. We are not every going to be able to quarantine our way out of this. With that, gradual, controlled infection is the only strategy to make progress other than just waiting for a vaccine. Testing would be good, to know who has had it, and how many are in early stages before they start flooding the ERs, but it doesn't change the overall outlook, I don't think. You're never going to be able to test everyone, everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Karen_Cooper_Incident Posted April 16, 2020 Share #817 Posted April 16, 2020 Okay, tin foil hat time. I have been seeing an uptick on articles that this really might have been accidentally leaked from the lab in Wuhan. The sources are 'anonymous' so I'm obviously not convinced yet. If this is the case, and this was accidentally leaked, what happens to China? How does the world potentially react? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted April 16, 2020 Share #818 Posted April 16, 2020 I saw that but my sources are pretty quiet on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted April 16, 2020 Share #819 Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Couch_Incident said: Okay, tin foil hat time. I have been seeing an uptick on articles that this really might have been accidentally leaked from the lab in Wuhan. The sources are 'anonymous' so I'm obviously not convinced yet. If this is the case, and this was accidentally leaked, what happens to China? How does the world potentially react? Hmm, what happens if... I think the russkies and the US and A are probably fully staffed in our chemical/biological weapons division, Isreal and the bad Korea, too. Nothing that we aren't exploring. That said, the simplest explanation is probably correct. It all started when a horny chinaman started banging exotic animals in the fish market or somesuch, which sounds like a typical scenario in China to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted April 16, 2020 Share #820 Posted April 16, 2020 It looks like hydroxychloroquine isn't effective against COVID-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 16, 2020 Share #821 Posted April 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Couch_Incident said: Okay, tin foil hat time. I have been seeing an uptick on articles that this really might have been accidentally leaked from the lab in Wuhan. The sources are 'anonymous' so I'm obviously not convinced yet. If this is the case, and this was accidentally leaked, what happens to China? How does the world potentially react? There was a SARS lab in Wuhan There was a wetmarket in Wuhan The virus originated in a wetmarket in Wuhan A+B+C=whatever you want to pretend it to be. People like Alex Jones are good at this. It's a paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted April 16, 2020 Share #822 Posted April 16, 2020 It presents a bit of a catch-22. There were US researchers in that lab until late 2019. Were we part of that experiment? Did we know about it and not stop it? Maybe we shouldn't have been there. Our researchers left shortly before the virus was found. Would we have seen it and stopped it? Maybe we shouldn't have left. So either way, is it our fault anyway? Or maybe it did just happen the way 99% of the scientist said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted April 16, 2020 Share #823 Posted April 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Couch_Incident said: Okay, tin foil hat time. I have been seeing an uptick on articles that this really might have been accidentally leaked from the lab in Wuhan. The sources are 'anonymous' so I'm obviously not convinced yet. If this is the case, and this was accidentally leaked, what happens to China? How does the world potentially react? Putin loves these stories. Last week it was the Harvard prof that sold the virus to the Chinese. 5G could be to blame, that was another recent story. Most science and research points to bats, possibly bats that have been eaten by stray dogs. Spillover is worth a read. His next book is about Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 16, 2020 Share #824 Posted April 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, 12string said: It presents a bit of a catch-22. There were US researchers in that lab until late 2019. Were we part of that experiment? Did we know about it and not stop it? Maybe we shouldn't have been there. Our researchers left shortly before the virus was found. Would we have seen it and stopped it? Maybe we shouldn't have left. So either way, is it our fault anyway? Or maybe it did just happen the way 99% of the scientist said. Never go with the 99%. Let's go hide over there behind the chain saws. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted April 16, 2020 Share #825 Posted April 16, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 16, 2020 Share #826 Posted April 16, 2020 7 hours ago, maddmaxx said: This might be a game changer. The navy discovered that more than half of the sailors taken off their aircraft carrier after testing positive never showed the slightest symptoms........ie they could spread it and you'd never know. With only one percent of our population tested so far who can you trust to be sitting next to you on that bar stool when the economy is reopened? I spoke with my nephew on Zoom on Easter. His boat is in dock for maintenance/overhaul for several months, and he said if you are sick, you still need to check in for duty, and then are sent home (barracks?) to recover. There is NO TESTING. No mention of testing. No mention of isolation or masks. Not really a smart way to approach a problem - especially when "readiness" is supposed to be a priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted April 16, 2020 Share #827 Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: I spoke with my nephew on Zoom on Easter. His boat is in dock for maintenance/overhaul for several months, and he said if you are sick, you still need to check in for duty, and then are sent home (barracks?) to recover. There is NO TESTING. No mention of testing. No mention of isolation or masks. Not really a smart way to approach a problem - especially when "readiness" is supposed to be a priority. Don't most navy ships do the hot-bunking thing? I would imagine that with a widespread thing, there is no place to isolate, and the ship still has to do navy things as normal. You can walk and talk, you can work, you kind of have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted April 16, 2020 Share #828 Posted April 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, Razors Edge said: overhaul for several months The key words there RE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkpow Posted April 16, 2020 Share #829 Posted April 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Don't most navy ships do the hot-bunking thing? No. I think submarines were the hold out on that as space was at a premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 16, 2020 Share #830 Posted April 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kzoo said: The key words there RE. Nah, they're off to San Diego soon. They refurbs are almost done, but man will that will be dopey setting sail with several thousand sick seamen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted April 16, 2020 Share #831 Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Razors Edge said: Nah, they're off to San Diego soon. They refurbs are almost done, but man will that will be dopey setting sail with several thousand sick seamen. 'Boats' don't hold thousands of men. Maxi needs to smack you up side the head with jsharr's new pedal wrench. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted April 16, 2020 Share #832 Posted April 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Reverend_Maynard said: We are not every going to be able to quarantine our way out of this. With that, gradual, controlled infection is the only strategy to make progress other than just waiting for a vaccine. Isn't that what 'flattening the curve' is. Rather than a steep curve with a lot of cases all at once you get a gradual curve with the cases spread over more time. Basically the same number of cases but over a longer period of time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR46 Posted April 16, 2020 Share #833 Posted April 16, 2020 Wisconsin is extending the shutdown until May 26. I'm going to go fucking nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share #834 Posted April 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, BR46 said: Wisconsin is extending the shutdown until May 26. I'm going to go fucking nuts. Better than nutting fucks, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 16, 2020 Share #835 Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Razors Edge said: I spoke with my nephew on Zoom on Easter. His boat is in dock for maintenance/overhaul for several months, and he said if you are sick, you still need to check in for duty, and then are sent home (barracks?) to recover. There is NO TESTING. No mention of testing. No mention of isolation or masks. Not really a smart way to approach a problem - especially when "readiness" is supposed to be a priority. There's a reason they haven't been getting tested. There simply aren't enough tests. There are places out there bragging about how good they are doing and the numbers are like 10K per day for a state. Again, there are 350 million of us. There aren't enough tests to do anything but gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted April 16, 2020 Share #836 Posted April 16, 2020 I really can't understand how we STILL are so far behind on testing. Bizarre. Are we too worried about getting everyone their $1200 to spend money on addressing the disease? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Further Posted April 16, 2020 Share #837 Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, 12string said: I really can't understand how we STILL are so far behind on testing. Bizarre. Are we too worried about getting everyone their $1200 to spend money on addressing the disease? Money is imaginary, a few keystrokes and the money flows over the wires, a test kit requires actual manufacturing and shipping of a physical thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted April 16, 2020 Share #838 Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, BR46 said: Wisconsin is extending the shutdown until May 26. I'm going to go fucking nuts. We got extended until May 15th, which seams massively optimistic at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted April 16, 2020 Share #839 Posted April 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, Randomguy said: We got extended until May 15th, which seams massively optimistic at the moment. So did we. I was a bit surprised, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted April 16, 2020 Share #840 Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: I was a bit surprised, to be honest. In what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted April 17, 2020 Share #841 Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Randomguy said: In what way? I didn’t think they would extend it that long, so soon. They tend to tell you of changes just a few days in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted April 17, 2020 Share #842 Posted April 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Prophet Zacharia said: I didn’t think they would extend it that long, so soon. They tend to tell you of changes just a few days in advance. All the cool governors are getting together and syncing their cycles. The extra time for planning might help get intelligent re-entry plans together for the region. Still a lot of new cases in NY, NJ, and CT, so based on the data they have now, even the 15th seems a bit wishful right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted April 17, 2020 Share #843 Posted April 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Randomguy said: All the cool governors are getting together and syncing their cycles. The extra time for planning might help get intelligent re-entry plans together for the region. Still a lot of new cases in NY, NJ, and CT, so based on the data they have now, even the 15th seems a bit wishful right now. So the pajama party continues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share #844 Posted April 17, 2020 Get ready for a bunch of bullshit to come streaming out of the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted April 17, 2020 Share #845 Posted April 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Randomguy said: All the cool governors are getting together and syncing their cycles. The extra time for planning might help get intelligent re-entry plans together for the region. Still a lot of new cases in NY, NJ, and CT, so based on the data they have now, even the 15th seems a bit wishful right now. Some people here are pissed that Western Pennsylvania is on the same schedule as Philadelphia. I imagine the sentiment is worse in some of the more rural counties of the state, too. Which is why I think a strong federal plan would have been a VERY good thing to have, because if Ohio and WVA do something completely different, will it ultimately matter what happens just across state lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted April 17, 2020 Share #846 Posted April 17, 2020 New York City continues to kill CT and New Jersey and eastern Penn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted April 17, 2020 Share #847 Posted April 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: Which is why I think a strong federal plan would have been a VERY good thing to have, because if Ohio and WVA do something completely different, will it ultimately matter what happens just across state lines? If not a federal plan, at least a set of criteria for an area. Say... total active cases dropping at X% over Y number of days and hospital occupancy at Z% in a given county and adjacent counties. A criteria like that would allow more rural areas to open almost immediately and remove the guess work from the governors decisions to keep the stay at home orders in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted April 17, 2020 Share #848 Posted April 17, 2020 11 hours ago, Randomguy said: We got extended until May 15th, which seams massively optimistic at the moment. My daughters employer just extended to August 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 17, 2020 Share #849 Posted April 17, 2020 16 hours ago, Kzoo said: 'Boats' don't hold thousands of men. Maxi needs to smack you up side the head with jsharr's new pedal wrench. He calls it a boat, so I call it a boat. It would be sort of nuts to call it different than the guy on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted April 17, 2020 Share #850 Posted April 17, 2020 15 hours ago, 12string said: I really can't understand how we STILL are so far behind on testing. Bizarre. Are we too worried about getting everyone their $1200 to spend money on addressing the disease? I haven't gotten $1,200 yet still the testing sucks! I'd prefer the testing to the $1,200, but jeebus, get at least one thing right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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