shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Share #1 Posted December 28, 2015 ...LOL... Like that's gonna happen! OK, say were out gambling and you willing GIVE me $100 out of your winnings, to gamble with. Then I win over a grand with it, but return the $100 you GAVE me. Would you consider us even, or would you expect half of my winnings? Seems like a no-brainer to us, but apparently not to everyone. Comments? Yeah, I know, don't go to a casino with you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted December 28, 2015 Share #2 Posted December 28, 2015 I would consider you an ass for giving me anything back unless that was an earlier agreement. A gift is a gift. If you won, I would be happy for you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted December 28, 2015 Share #3 Posted December 28, 2015 If I just gave you $100 then I would not expect a return. A beer would be nice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted December 28, 2015 Share #4 Posted December 28, 2015 I too would expect nothing back. You would be a great guy if you gave the hundred back. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted December 28, 2015 Share #5 Posted December 28, 2015 Gambling makes people do crazy crap. What you probably should have offered was the 100 back as soon as you had 200. Unless you won the 1000 all at one time. Etiquette says that you return a loan as quickly as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted December 28, 2015 Share #6 Posted December 28, 2015 O the other hand though, I used to work for a multi-billionaire that was really in to gambling. When ever we flew him to Vegas or any triple crown races he would give the crew 5000 each to gamble with. The first time he did it, I gambled and lost about 1/2 the money. The copilot never gambled. When we flew the owner home, he asked how we did. The copilot said, "I didn't gamble" and kept the money. I told him I gambled and lost half the money. I offered it back and he took it. He looked at the copilot and said "The object was to go home with 50,000 not 5,000. The copilot was never offered money again and I always was. Sometimes I had winnings to keep and sometimes not. He never took the remains back again though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Runner Posted December 28, 2015 Share #7 Posted December 28, 2015 5 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: I too would expect nothing back. You would be a great guy if you gave the hundred back. Agree with this. It would be nice if the 100 was offered back but it would also be nice if the original giver refused to accept it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #8 Posted December 28, 2015 6 minutes ago, Airehead said: Gambling makes people do crazy crap. What you probably should have offered was the 100 back as soon as you had 200. Unless you won the 1000 all at one time. Etiquette says that you return a loan as quickly as possible. You didn't loan it to me, and the winnings were in one lump sum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted December 28, 2015 Share #9 Posted December 28, 2015 It could be perceived as a loan. Lump sum changes stuff. Let me think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #10 Posted December 28, 2015 Oh, and one more thing. The winnings are reported to the IRS, so if you got half then I'd end up with about 1/4. 1 minute ago, Airehead said: It could be perceived as a loan. Even if you said "Merry Christmas" when giving it to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted December 28, 2015 Share #11 Posted December 28, 2015 I don't think the first person is entitled to a share of the winnings, but if the opportunity arose while we were all still together, I'd probably offer to pay for a dinner from the winnings or something else we all could enjoy together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chris... Posted December 28, 2015 Popular Post Share #12 Posted December 28, 2015 just give your wife half of the winnings already 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted December 28, 2015 Share #13 Posted December 28, 2015 I would say the money is yours to do what you want with, but it would be nice if you did something nice for me, since you are so flush with cash. Like, take me out for a meal to celebrate your fat stacks cash that you won on account of my generosity. If the money is given, it is yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted December 28, 2015 Share #14 Posted December 28, 2015 Ok, after careful etiquette consideration-- if it was a gift, then after winning, I would have said to the person, "Since you gave me a gift of 100, then I would like to give you the same gift." Up to them to accept or not accept. That said-- I suspect that the person could have expected more..... Cause that it how people are when gambling especially if alcohol was invovled. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted December 28, 2015 Share #15 Posted December 28, 2015 11 minutes ago, shotgun said: Oh, and one more thing. The winnings are reported to the IRS, so if you got half then I'd end up with about 1/4. Even if you said "Merry Christmas" when giving it to me? i still want a meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #16 Posted December 28, 2015 5 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: I would say the money is yours to do what you want with, but it would be nice if you did something nice for me, since you are so flush with cash. Like, take me out for a meal to celebrate your fat stacks cash that you won on account of my generosity. Even if you won nearly as much as I did? Just under a grand, therefore tax free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted December 28, 2015 Share #17 Posted December 28, 2015 ...if I " staked" you at a casino, we would already have a prior verbal contract. If you did not meet your obligations under said prior verbal contract, youse would be "roughed up" a little bit, in order that other guys should not get the "wrong idea" about their own contractual obligations under various and sundry "other monetary arrangements". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted December 28, 2015 Share #18 Posted December 28, 2015 $100 bucks is like a loan. You win more money with it, you still give me the $100 back. As Bikeman said, a beer would be nice, or "Hey, I'm picking up the appetizer", but it isn't an expectation. Serious question: If $100 was given and you lost the whole $100, would it have been expected back? If the answer is no (which I'd expect), then the answer is even more crystal clear. "Hey, here's your hundred back" is fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris... Posted December 28, 2015 Share #19 Posted December 28, 2015 I put scratch off tickets in the kids stockings. My kids told me it would have been awkward if they had won the $50000 jackpot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petitepedal ★ Posted December 28, 2015 Share #20 Posted December 28, 2015 Put $100 aside and say..that was fun...let's do it again and I will give you $100.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted December 28, 2015 Share #21 Posted December 28, 2015 19 minutes ago, shotgun said: Even if you won nearly as much as I did? Just under a grand, therefore tax free. That softens the blow for sure. But, Damn Dude, Can't buy a girl a hot dog? haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #22 Posted December 28, 2015 Wow. A lot of replies in a short time. Thanks! Christmas night, after having family at our house for dinner and drinks, we went to a casino. My wife, a non-drinker, being the designated driver because she was the only one sober. She and her daughter were playing slots and she ran out of money. She said she was going to go get another 20 from me and her daughter said, "no Mom, here, Merry Christmas!" and put a hundred dollar bill in the machine for her. My wife tried to refuse, but her daughter insisted. Meanwhile, her husband was throwing around money like it was nothing. He'd had a lot to drink, but had his wits about him enough to play blackjack. She ran the balance down to 60 bucks before hitting a win for $1100. When the money was paid out, my wife gave her daughter a $100 back. Yesterday, the big-shot son-in-law was arguing with his wife that mom should have shared half of the winnings. Mind you, like I said earlier, she has to pay taxes on the winnings. Daughter called Mom and says he wants half of the money. I've only seen my wife in tears about four times in the 22 years we've been together. Last night was one of those times. A total WTF moment for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted December 28, 2015 Share #23 Posted December 28, 2015 Asking for half is tacky. Especially since taxes are taking a large portion. If it was Mom, I would not expect anything in return. Sounds like he spent too much and now has remorse. Total Jerk move asking his wife to call with that kind of baloney. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wilbur ★ Posted December 28, 2015 Popular Post Share #24 Posted December 28, 2015 Present the asshat with a bill for 1/2 the cost of raising his wife. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted December 28, 2015 Share #25 Posted December 28, 2015 my husband just said that it was rotten to ask for half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted December 28, 2015 Share #26 Posted December 28, 2015 The breech of etiquette belongs to the Son in law not your wife. Alcohol, gambling, a full moon-- ughhh. I feel sorry for your wife. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dirtyhip Posted December 28, 2015 Popular Post Share #27 Posted December 28, 2015 3 minutes ago, Airehead said: The breech of etiquette belongs to the Son in law not your wife. Alcohol, gambling, a full moon-- ughhh. I feel sorry for your wife. Agreed, but his wife should stand up and tell him she wasn't going to do that. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #28 Posted December 28, 2015 32 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: Asking for half is tacky. Especially since taxes are taking a large portion. If it was Mom, I would not expect anything in return. Sounds like he spent too much and now has remorse. Total Jerk move asking his wife to call with that kind of baloney. Ed Zachary! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Posted December 28, 2015 Share #29 Posted December 28, 2015 I'm sorry your wife had to deal with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted December 28, 2015 Share #30 Posted December 28, 2015 Ok, first off, the $100 was a gift, daughter insisted she take it. It was nice of her. Upon winning the lump sum, if it were me, I would have given some money back to the daughter and said "Yo, toots, here is your hundred back, and another hundred because I am feeling swell and want to share my good fortune". If I ended up the big winner of the crew, I would probably also have sprung for drinks and a lap dance for everybody (but nothing too extravagant, $1,100 doesn't grow on trees, you know). Secondly, a reasonable person would rightly interpret the $100 as a gift since the "Merry Christmas" was uttered, and a reasonable person would give it as a gift, too, unless there was an explicit agreement that this was a staking stake, for staking purposes. They could have also stated that this was a loan, too, but the whole "Merry Christmas" thing kind of negated that. Even if it was given as a loan, then the only requirement is to pay the $100 back. That gives us three interpretations, the gift, the loan, the staking of a professional slot player. The gift means nothing is owed but gratitude, the loan means that $100 is owed, and the outlandish suggestions of the staking as you would of a professional gambler would have to be explicitly agreed upon beforehand. Plus, no one stakes a slot player, that is just stupid, as no skill is involved and even the loosest of machines will be set to make the house a profit. Again, the overwhelming majority would consider it a gift as stated, and acted as such. It sounds like the husband is kind of a bad loser, and thinks the world owes him for absolutely no reason. He put everybody in a bad position and to even ask his wife to do this is ridiculous and tacky as hell. I would call all the parties into a room and explain that he is a dumbass and detail why, then ask that they kindly get a divorce so the daughter won't be seen with such a boorish individual, and ask her not to marry so badly next time. Seriously, he should feel like an ass to ask this. Your daughter is probably very embarrassed that a kindness is turning into stupidity due to his dumb ass. Not sure what your move is other than to give $100 back to the daughter as a graceful way of covering what at best could be considered a loan. You owe nothing more, and you should expect apology. You might also be obligated to let him know not to gamble with money that he can't afford to lose, too. On the other hand, maybe he is generally a saint and this caught him at the worst possible time and in the worst possible frame of mind, and this is a learning opportunity for all. Good luck. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #31 Posted December 28, 2015 6 hours ago, Randomguy said: Ok, first off, the $100 was a gift, daughter insisted she take it. It was nice of her. Upon winning the lump sum, if it were me, I would have given some money back to the daughter and said "Yo, toots, here is your hundred back, and another hundred because I am feeling swell and want to share my good fortune". If I ended up the big winner of the crew, I would probably also have sprung for drinks and a lap dance for everybody (but nothing too extravagant, $1,100 doesn't grow on trees, you know). Secondly, a reasonable person would rightly interpret the $100 as a gift since the "Merry Christmas" was uttered, and a reasonable person would give it as a gift, too, unless there was an explicit agreement that this was a staking stake, for staking purposes. They could have also stated that this was a loan, too, but the whole "Merry Christmas" thing kind of negated that. Even if it was given as a loan, then the only requirement is to pay the $100 back. That gives us three interpretations, the gift, the loan, the staking of a professional slot player. The gift means nothing is owed but gratitude, the loan means that $100 is owed, and the outlandish suggestions of the staking as you would of a professional gambler would have to be explicitly agreed upon beforehand. Plus, no one stakes a slot player, that is just stupid, as no skill is involved and even the loosest of machines will be set to make the house a profit. Again, the overwhelming majority would consider it a gift as stated, and acted as such. It sounds like the husband is kind of a bad loser, and thinks the world owes him for absolutely no reason. He put everybody in a bad position and to even ask his wife to do this is ridiculous and tacky as hell. I would call all the parties into a room and explain that he is a dumbass and detail why, then ask that they kindly get a divorce so the daughter won't be seen with such a boorish individual, and ask her not to marry so badly next time. Seriously, he should feel like an ass to ask this. Your daughter is probably very embarrassed that a kindness is turning into stupidity due to his dumb ass. Not sure what your move is other than to give $100 back to the daughter as a graceful way of covering what at best could be considered a loan. You owe nothing more, and you should expect apology. You might also be obligated to let him know not to gamble with money that he can't afford to lose, too. On the other hand, maybe he is generally a saint and this caught him at the worst possible time and in the worst possible frame of mind, and this is a learning opportunity for all. Good luck. Randomguy nails it! WOshotgun says she likes your response the best. Everyone here pretty much agrees with how we feel. We were shocked by the phone call requesting a share of the winnings and felt that mom giving the $100 back to daughter was generous enough. She didn't ask for the money, she was going to get more from me and her daughter insisted she take it. Again, thanks for all of the responses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a bunch of numbers Posted December 28, 2015 Share #32 Posted December 28, 2015 I would never accept a lottery ticket as a gift from this guy... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #33 Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, Rick5234 said: I would never accept a lottery ticket as a gift from this guy... Nope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf Posted December 28, 2015 Share #34 Posted December 28, 2015 11 hours ago, Dirtyhip said: Agreed, but his wife should stand up and tell him she wasn't going to do that. DING! Give that girl a kewpie doll. Husband is being a jerk. Wife should say to husband "It was a gift, I insisted she take it, end of story" and stick to her guns. This avoids the whole awkward situation. Sadly, however this works out, you now know never to accept money from them again; it appears he's the "always-a-string-attached" type of guy. Even a fair loan or a true gift will be treated as a favor-to-be-paid-later, and this will also ensure that daughter doesn't get manipulated by hubby or caught in the middle (even though it should be her duty as well to stand up when something isn't right). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #35 Posted December 28, 2015 Daughter is at work today trying to be all nicey nice with mom. She hasn't said shit about the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted December 28, 2015 Share #36 Posted December 28, 2015 14 hours ago, shotgun said: Ed Zachary! Me or the SIL? HAHA! I only asked for a Hot Dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #37 Posted December 28, 2015 4 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: Me or the SIL? HAHA! I only asked for a Hot Dog. I get the feeling you do not eat hot dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtyhip Posted December 28, 2015 Share #38 Posted December 28, 2015 2 minutes ago, shotgun said: I get the feeling you do not eat hot dogs. Maybe not my first choice for a meal. I was trying to be funny tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #39 Posted December 28, 2015 Just now, Dirtyhip said: Maybe not my first choice for a meal. I was trying to be funny tho. Understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted December 28, 2015 Share #40 Posted December 28, 2015 35 minutes ago, Dirtyhip said: Maybe not my first choice for a meal. I was trying to be funny tho. ...I thought it was another penis joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #41 Posted December 28, 2015 4 minutes ago, Page Turner said: ...I thought it was another penis joke. It was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dottleshead ★ Posted December 28, 2015 Share #43 Posted December 28, 2015 18 hours ago, shotgun said: ...LOL... Like that's gonna happen! OK, say were out gambling and you willing GIVE me $100 out of your winnings, to gamble with. Then I win over a grand with it, but return the $100 you GAVE me. Would you consider us even, or would you expect half of my winnings? Seems like a no-brainer to us, but apparently not to everyone. Comments? Yeah, I know, don't go to a casino with you again. You pay back the $100 and then throw in a good $50 for interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share #44 Posted December 28, 2015 42 minutes ago, dotman17 said: You pay back the $100 and then throw in a good $50 for interest. The $100 was paid back on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Page Turner Posted December 28, 2015 Share #45 Posted December 28, 2015 ...give your son-in-law a hot dog. Go with a footlong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Kosciuszko Posted December 29, 2015 Share #46 Posted December 29, 2015 Oh for goodness sake! I don't understand what all the drama is about! You need to fork over half the winnings immediately. Because you know very well if your wife had taken the $100 and then lost $1,100 that your son-in-law being the guy he is would have stepped right up and offered to make good on half of the losses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted December 29, 2015 Share #47 Posted December 29, 2015 42 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted December 29, 2015 Share #48 Posted December 29, 2015 Just now, The Inedible Bulk said: 42 It don't get any more seriouser than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Karen_Cooper_Incident Posted December 29, 2015 Share #49 Posted December 29, 2015 Punch him in the vag. Couch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted December 29, 2015 Share #50 Posted December 29, 2015 11 hours ago, shotgun said: The $100 was paid back on the spot. Then you're good in my view. 50% of what they loaned you is more than ample and makes it more likely they'll loan to you again in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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