Wilbur ★ Posted June 11, 2019 Share #1 Posted June 11, 2019 Justin was a teacher. Too funny. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted June 11, 2019 Share #2 Posted June 11, 2019 Canadians must be the only people who are embarrassed by their country's leader on a regular basis. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted June 11, 2019 Share #3 Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Zephyr said: Canadians must be the only people who are embarrassed by their country's leader on a regular basis. Yes, we Americans have to settle for horror and terror. Wanna swap? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted June 11, 2019 Share #4 Posted June 11, 2019 When I read something like the title, I think of some of the folks at Oregon State University that I worked with that had 4-way splits, of research, teaching, extension, and foreign service. I would never have wanted to be spread that thin. Takes a special type of person to exist in that environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onbike1939 Posted June 11, 2019 Share #5 Posted June 11, 2019 The title speaks of a strange view of teaching. I chose to teach because I thought of it as a noble profession....and I'm aware of how pompous that sounds but I still think it true today. My qualifications did mean that I could have earned considerably more in another profession but I chose to teach. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheep_herder ★ Posted June 11, 2019 Share #6 Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, onbike1939 said: The title speaks of a strange view of teaching. I chose to teach because I thought of it as a noble profession....and I'm aware of how pompous that sounds but I still think it true today. My qualifications did mean that I could have earned considerably more in another profession but I chose to teach. I don't disagree, but it is a view held by many. I hope Wilbur was kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Karen_Cooper_Incident Posted June 11, 2019 Share #7 Posted June 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, onbike1939 said: I chose to teach because I thought of it as a noble profession....and I'm aware of how pompous that sounds but I still think it true today. It is a noble profession. Both of my parents were teachers. I turned out like an asshole but they were and are wonderful people and they were passionate about their craft. It does take a special person to become a teacher. It requires tolerance, empathy and a whole bunch of extra stuff I inherently suppress. My parents have those qualities and I seem to lack them. Thank you for doing what you did. Shu Fang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onbike1939 Posted June 11, 2019 Share #8 Posted June 11, 2019 44 minutes ago, Shu Fang said: It is a noble profession. Both of my parents were teachers. I turned out like an asshole but they were and are wonderful people and they were passionate about their craft. It does take a special person to become a teacher. It requires tolerance, empathy and a whole bunch of extra stuff I inherently suppress. My parents have those qualities and I seem to lack them. Thank you for doing what you did. Shu Fang Hey........who am I to disagree with what is an obvious truth. That said, I have met too many teachers who obviously did not like kids. To them, it was a job and outwith the classroom they had little interest in their welfare. In teaching, technology may have its place, but it is the relationship between the teacher and the taught which is paramount. The most important lessons are those taught by the teacher showing themselves to be a proper human being with good human qualities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted June 11, 2019 Share #9 Posted June 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, onbike1939 said: Hey........who am I to disagree with what is an obvious truth. That said, I have met too many teachers who obviously did not like kids. To them, it was a job and outwith the classroom they had little interest in their welfare. In teaching, technology may have its place, but it is the relationship between the teacher and the taught which paramount. The most important lessons are those taught by the teacher showing themselves to be a proper human being with good human qualities. Very good point, especially when I think back to my best and my worst teachers. Hell of a spread. I think the worst might have meant well but his methods were way off base. Sort of like some presidents in recent memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted June 11, 2019 Firstly guys, it was a joke and an expression that was certainly not coined by me. For those of you that are unaware, Trudeau was a part time drama teacher and snowboarder. That and his name qualified him to fill the top political position in Canada. It is also well known he can't think for himself while conveying those thoughts. He requires the use of a script. A crappy actor, so he taught. My parents were teachers as well and went into the trade thinking it was a noble one. Neither retained that opinion at retirement. Such is the profession in Canada. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted June 11, 2019 Share #11 Posted June 11, 2019 6 hours ago, Zephyr said: Canadians must be the only people who are embarrassed by their country's leader on a regular basis. Are you forgetting the Philippines ??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizeye Posted June 11, 2019 Share #12 Posted June 11, 2019 And those who cant do either run for public office. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted June 11, 2019 Share #13 Posted June 11, 2019 4 hours ago, onbike1939 said: chose to teach because I thought of it as a noble profession....and I'm aware of how pompous that sounds but I still think it true today. My qualifications did mean that I could have earned considerably more in another profession but I chose to teach. Agreed, strongly agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted June 11, 2019 Share #14 Posted June 11, 2019 My wife is a teacher and at this point in my life so am I. I am sure Wilbur was just quoting the very old saying as he was making fun of our PM and not trying to be disparaging to teachers in any way. (S)He's too classy for that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickinMD ★ Posted June 11, 2019 Share #15 Posted June 11, 2019 I taught at the largest high school in Maryland, after rising to chief chemist of process development for a subidiary of Dow Chemical - which I left because of the too-often contact with carcinogenic chemicales Our lead physics teacher was a retired Navy commander whose books on navigation were used to in those courses at the U.S. Naval Academy. One of our math department teachers was recruited by the National Security Agency and another by a High Tech startup. We had celebrated art teachers, playwrights, and a history teacher who had written a series of children's books published by a major publisher. Note also that today's high school teachers do NOT major in education alone except for special education: they carry a double-major and must complete major requirements in math, creative writing, etc. except in states like Wisconsin where they've cut the benefits so badly they can't find enough teachers so they drop the college degree requirement. So I guess you can understand why I'm not pleased when someone claims teachers can't do. It's a disgusting, hurtful piece of b.s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted June 11, 2019 Share #16 Posted June 11, 2019 48 minutes ago, MickinMD said: So I guess you can understand why I'm not pleased when someone claims teachers can't do. It's a disgusting, hurtful piece of b.s. Yeah @wilbur, you need to apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #17 Posted June 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, Kzoo said: Yeah @wilbur, you need to apologize. It's a fucking axiom, already! Either take it as that or let your feelies be hurt but know it is you that is hurting them. Good gawd people, talk about an over-reaction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onbike1939 Posted June 11, 2019 Share #18 Posted June 11, 2019 Yeah......I'm aware that Wilbur was only quoting someone else....a character from a play in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted June 11, 2019 8 hours ago, onbike1939 said: The title speaks of a strange view of teaching. No, not really. There is a profound difference between teaching and doing. It doesn't mean one is better or worse than the other. Satisfaction is just derived through different process. Many flight instructors become bored with the tedium of a trans-oceanic flight while many pilots would rather eat lead than teach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Zacharia Posted June 11, 2019 Share #20 Posted June 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, wilbur said: It doesn't mean one is better or worse than the other. The saying states the opposite though, it does disparage teachers as being unable to actually "do" what they teach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted June 11, 2019 Share #21 Posted June 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Prophet Zacharia said: The saying states the opposite though, it does disparage teachers as being unable to actually "do" what they teach. A lot of my family are teachers and I will say for a fact, no, most can't actually do what they teach. Are there exceptions, yes, my son had an excellent teacher who spent years in the business world and was highly successful, just burnt out on it and went back into teaching. Also just because maybe you can't actually do things, doesn't mean you aren't a good teacher, it takes a certain personality and mindset to effectively be able to get through to people plus you have to have patience. I suck at teaching people, much better at doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted June 11, 2019 Share #22 Posted June 11, 2019 My daughter is a fantastic mathmatician, but her degree is in theoretical mathematics. I'm not sure there's any "do" for that other than to teach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted June 11, 2019 Share #23 Posted June 11, 2019 4 hours ago, wilbur said: It's a fucking axiom, already! Either take it as that or let your feelies be hurt but know it is you that is hurting them. Good gawd people, talk about an over-reaction. And one someone on the forum says "you need to apologize" it's sarcasm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Karen_Cooper_Incident Posted June 11, 2019 Share #24 Posted June 11, 2019 10 hours ago, wilbur said: Firstly guys, it was a joke and an expression that was certainly not coined by me. For those of you that are unaware, Trudeau was a part time drama teacher and snowboarder. That and his name qualified him to fill the top political position in Canada. It is also well known he can't think for himself while conveying those thoughts. He requires the use of a script. A crappy actor, so he taught. My parents were teachers as well and went into the trade thinking it was a noble one. Neither retained that opinion at retirement. Such is the profession in Canada. I agree with all of this. But I suggest a trade of leaders. The memes would be fantastic. Shu Fang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted June 11, 2019 Share #25 Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, Shu Fang said: I agree with all of this. But I suggest a trade of leaders. The memes would be fantastic. Shu Fang As much as I would prefer Trudeau, that would be a lousy thing to do to a nice country, and a good friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Karen_Cooper_Incident Posted June 11, 2019 Share #26 Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, late said: As much as I would prefer Trudeau, that would be a lousy thing to do to a nice country, and a good friend. Maybe all the Canadians will move to the US. Shu Fang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted June 11, 2019 Share #27 Posted June 11, 2019 Maybe we could send Trump to Alpha Centauri... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted June 11, 2019 Share #28 Posted June 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, late said: Maybe we could send Trump to Alpha Centauri... Not far enough, isn't that part of the moon? We would have to ask Allen if he wants company first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
late Posted June 11, 2019 Share #29 Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, 12string said: Not far enough, isn't that part of the moon? We would have to ask Allen if he wants company first. 4.367 light years. With current technology, it would take some number of centuries. I've long had this dream of putting a large astronomy suite above the plane of the elliptic of the galaxy. You'd want to get it way up there. You'd want some big ion drive (or something), but to get it up to cruising speed, you'd want to put several large boosters into orbit.And then hook it all together. I don't have specifics, but we are talking serious boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #30 Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Kzoo said: And one someone on the forum says "you need to apologize" it's sarcasm. I know, that wasn't directed at you! I didn't start the thread as a Taliban attack on teachers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted June 11, 2019 Share #31 Posted June 11, 2019 And even I knew @wilbur wasn’t dissing the noble profession of teaching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted June 12, 2019 Share #32 Posted June 12, 2019 16 hours ago, Shu Fang said: It does take a special person to become a teacher. Great teachers should get paid more, mediocre ones should get paid less, I suppose. Ones with nice boobs ought to get paid the most. In my world, Road Sue would be a millionaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share #33 Posted June 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Great teachers should get paid more, mediocre ones should get paid less, I suppose. Ones with nice boobs ought to get paid the most. In my world, Road Sue would be a millionaire. How about our potato head Prime Minister? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted June 12, 2019 Share #34 Posted June 12, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted June 12, 2019 Share #35 Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, wilbur said: How about our potato head Prime Minister? His boobs are subpar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted June 12, 2019 Share #36 Posted June 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Randomguy said: Great teachers should get paid more, mediocre ones should get paid less, I suppose. Ones with nice boobs ought to get paid the most. In my world, Road Sue would be a millionaire. Indiana went to more of that model where teachers get raises based on performance and stead of strictly seniority based, you know, like us in the real world. The good teachers I know love it, but it seems most hate it, I think that says a lot about the quality of most teachers here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted June 12, 2019 Share #37 Posted June 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, Indy said: Indiana went to more of that model where teachers get raises based on performance and stead of strictly seniority based, you know, like us in the real world. The good teachers I know love it, but it seems most hate it, I think that says a lot about the quality of most teachers here. Hopefully that performance evaluation is done by an adult(s). Not just the kids. I will be teaching for a few hrs. later this wk. It is classroom course training and with exercises. It is slightly stressful to know I will be rated by learners: other employees. I try not too think much about it. And all my colleagues, see my total rating for every course I deliver. We see each other's totals. There is a standard my boss has set. I enjoy teaching (corporate training) but this employer is the first one where instructor rating is required. Previous jobs didn't require it. Adult training is different because it is more purpose-based rather than just theoretical. The instructor has to learn how to draw upon student's existing area of expertise to make it a good learning experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted June 12, 2019 Share #38 Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, shootingstar said: Hopefully that performance is done by an adult(s). Not just the kids. I will be teaching for a few hrs. later this wk. It is classroom course training and with exercises. It is slightly stressful to know I will be rated by learners: other employees. I try not too think much about it. And all my colleagues, see my total rating for every course I deliver. I enjoy teaching (corporate training) but this employer is the first one where instructor rating is required. Previous jobs didn't require it. In elementary, I am pretty sure the kids have no input, doubt highschoolers do either. My sister in law maxed out in no time (she is dumb as a box of rocks, but she is really good at connecting with kids and teaching them, my wife would agree) with the new raise system and gets performance bonuses every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlecan ★ Posted June 12, 2019 Share #39 Posted June 12, 2019 On 6/10/2019 at 10:32 PM, wilbur said: Justin was a teacher. Too funny. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted June 12, 2019 Share #40 Posted June 12, 2019 And the phrase at comes to mind - In a democracy we get the leaders we deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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