jsharr ★ Posted March 26 Share #51 Posted March 26 video shows the ship losing and regaining power and trying to turn at the last minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted March 26 Share #52 Posted March 26 34 minutes ago, Airehead said: This is from my brother. 20 contractors from a company called Bronner went in the water last night, and only two came out. https://brawnerbuilders.com/ I am sure the banner was up before the accident but they may want to take that down off their home page. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted March 26 Share #53 Posted March 26 The ships lined up to get to Baltimore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted March 26 Share #54 Posted March 26 17 minutes ago, Randomguy said: Although this one was unintentional, say hello to future terrorist attacks on infrastructure. I am sure they are noticing the chaos this kind of thing can bring. Certainly this had to happen before future terrorists could realize the chaos. Actually, a terrorist attack like this would be far easier to thwart than the power going out accidentally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Silly Posted March 26 Share #55 Posted March 26 17 minutes ago, jsharr said: video shows the ship losing and regaining power and trying to turn at the last minute The last two cars on the bridge went past the ship at 39 seconds. The ship hit the bridge at 54 seconds. They made it by 15 seconds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 26 Share #56 Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, 12string said: Certainly this had to happen before future terrorists could realize the chaos. Actually, a terrorist attack like this would be far easier to thwart than the power going out accidentally I was more thinking of terrorists blowing up a bridge at rush hour, or on a subway, or a dam of some sort. They know, but I imagine pulling that kind of stuff off is harder than we would think. I like when the various agencies shut that stuff down and nail the potential perps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted March 26 Share #57 Posted March 26 9 hours ago, smudge said: How the heck does this happen. I believe it was intentional. Horrible. Either intentional or the captain was high as a kite. EDIT: Or a mechanical failure. The other two reasons above were more sensational though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted March 26 Share #58 Posted March 26 8 minutes ago, Dottleshead said: Either intentional or the captain was high as a kite. Sadly, it was most likely due to a number of factors, most of which will come down to money. This ship had been found to have problems related to it's propulsion systems in the last year. This costs money to fix. Big money I imagine. If the boat is not moving, it is not making money. The videos clearly show the boat going dark, then coming back to life, then going dark several times. I believe there was a major failure of the engines and generators and the ship was dead in the water and at the mercy of the wind and water currents. I also believe they did all they could in the situation to avoid hitting the bridge. I have seen pictures of the anchor chains down, suggesting they tried to drop anchor and slow or stop the ship, but stopping that amount of mass takes time that they did not have. They contacted people on shore to alert them of the power loss and steps were taken to shut down traffic on the bridge, but there was not enough time to alert the workers on the bridge to allow them to get to safety. I believe the failure to maintain the ship was negligent and intentional, but I do not believe hitting the bridge was. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted March 26 Share #59 Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, jsharr said: Sadly, it was most likely due to a number of factors, most of which will come down to money. This ship had been found to have problems related to it's propulsion systems in the last year. This costs money to fix. Big money I imagine. If the boat is not moving, it is not making money. The videos clearly show the boat going dark, then coming back to life, then going dark several times. I believe there was a major failure of the engines and generators and the ship was dead in the water and at the mercy of the wind and water currents. I also believe they did all they could in the situation to avoid hitting the bridge. I have seen pictures of the anchor chains down, suggesting they tried to drop anchor and slow or stop the ship, but stopping that amount of mass takes time that they did not have. They contacted people on shore to alert them of the power loss and steps were taken to shut down traffic on the bridge, but there was not enough time to alert the workers on the bridge to allow them to get to safety. I believe the failure to maintain the ship was negligent and intentional, but I do not believe hitting the bridge was. Sorry, I made a change to my original statement but I didn't get it in on time before you responded. This was a great response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted March 26 Share #60 Posted March 26 58 minutes ago, Randomguy said: I was more thinking of terrorists blowing up a bridge at rush hour, or on a subway, or a dam of some sort. They know, but I imagine pulling that kind of stuff off is harder than we would think. I like when the various agencies shut that stuff down and nail the potential perps. They didn't need this example. They tried to blow up a Hudson river tunnel a few years back. HSA stopped them. It actually got down tot he wire and they had to close the tunnels Who know how many more they've caught. Terrorists talk, we hear things. power just goes out, no warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted March 26 Share #61 Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Mr. Silly said: The last two cars on the bridge went past the ship at 39 seconds. The ship hit the bridge at 54 seconds. They made it by 15 seconds. I watched that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted March 26 Share #62 Posted March 26 So, nothing on this scale, but the same difficulty in changing momentum on cargo ships. MANY years ago, in my dad's crappy boat on the Delaware, first trip of the year. It was a water/water cooling system, a hose on the fresh side split and dumped all the coolant. Dead in the water. Tide going out, so it pulls boats into the channel. And there's a cargo ship bearing down on us. My brother grabbed the paddle, but couldn't really make any progress. I managed to cut of the split and reconnect the hose, put my T shirt over the filler neck for a filter, used dad's hat to dump river water into the radiator. We were just about at the abandon ship call, the cargo ship was blowing a horn by then when I had filled just enough water to get the engine started back up and get out of there. I'm sure that pilot thought he was drowning a few people that day. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted March 26 Share #63 Posted March 26 16 minutes ago, 12string said: So, nothing on this scale, but the same difficulty in changing momentum on cargo ships. MANY years ago, in my dad's crappy boat on the Delaware, first trip of the year. It was a water/water cooling system, a hose on the fresh side split and dumped all the coolant. Dead in the water. Tide going out, so it pulls boats into the channel. And there's a cargo ship bearing down on us. My brother grabbed the paddle, but couldn't really make any progress. I managed to cut of the split and reconnect the hose, put my T shirt over the filler neck for a filter, used dad's hat to dump river water into the radiator. We were just about at the abandon ship call, the cargo ship was blowing a horn by then when I had filled just enough water to get the engine started back up and get out of there. I'm sure that pilot thought he was drowning a few people that day. Don’t crappy boats have the right of way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted March 26 Share #64 Posted March 26 2 hours ago, jsharr said: I believe the failure to maintain the ship was negligent and intentional, but I do not believe hitting the bridge was. We probably would be shocked by the infrastructure condition of some international cargo ships. There was a media expose for an international cargo ship at the Port of Vancouver. Because of heavy loading and unloading traffic at port, there has been (often) line-up of several cargo ships for weeks (one can see them when in Vancouver harbour area) and hence, people (foreigners) working on the ships remain there. The expose I saw, allowed a local chaplain to board, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted March 26 Share #65 Posted March 26 Where is Dr. Mickin’s thoughts on this? @MickinMD Where are you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted March 27 Share #66 Posted March 27 2 hours ago, Longjohn said: Don’t crappy boats have the right of way? Nope! Bluegill boats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinneR ★ Posted March 27 Share #67 Posted March 27 48 minutes ago, Longjohn said: Where is Dr. Mickin’s thoughts on this? @MickinMD Where are you? He's watching a Bones rerun. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffJim Posted March 27 Author Share #68 Posted March 27 50 minutes ago, Longjohn said: Where is Dr. Mickin’s thoughts on this? @MickinMD Where are you? Before he got tired of the wall to wall coverage, he did have a couple of informative posts about, though they were lacking his customary brevity. The map was awesome, @MickinMD 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted March 27 Share #69 Posted March 27 5 hours ago, MickinMD said: The news media is beating this story to death. They get off on bad news. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Totin Jack ★ Posted March 27 Share #70 Posted March 27 11 hours ago, bikeman564™ said: They get off on bad news. Bad news equals viewers; viewers equal money. Money is the root of bad news. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 27 Share #71 Posted March 27 1 minute ago, Parsnip Totin Jack said: Bad news equals viewers; viewers equal money. Money is the root of bad news. All the nutters are out on this one, too. I have seen idiots claim it was caused by terrorists, DEI, Biden, and/or god, whatever fits their narrative or what their walnut-sized brains (being generous with that last one) could come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 27 Share #72 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Randomguy said: All the nutters are out on this one, too. I have seen idiots claim it was caused by terrorists, DEI, Biden, and/or god, whatever fits their narrative or what their walnut-sized brains (being generous with that last one) could come up with. Scary stuff is in the addled brains of conspiracy minded folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted March 27 Share #73 Posted March 27 18 hours ago, Longjohn said: Don’t crappy boats have the right of way? They have the right to be sunk by 50,000 ton cargo ships headed their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MickinMD ★ Posted March 27 Popular Post Share #74 Posted March 27 17 hours ago, Longjohn said: Where is Dr. Mickin’s thoughts on this? @MickinMD Where are you? No new thoughts except the discussions I've been in locally that the new bridge should be higher to allow for future taller ships and there should be solid bumpers on the upstream side of the bridge supports to absorb the impact today's huge ships if they're drifting with the current. Since commercial shipping follows the deep, dredged channel a little west of the middle of the river, I think they can clear the downed bridge away from it in maybe as little as a month to get the Port of Baltimore connected to the Chesapeake again. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphie ★ Posted March 27 Share #75 Posted March 27 35 minutes ago, 12string said: They have the right to be sunk by 50,000 ton cargo ships headed their way. I keep picturing Ted Knight and Rodney Dangerfield in Caddieshack. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted March 27 Share #76 Posted March 27 It appears the construction workers that died were all from Central America. I read that the president of Mexico was saying how unfair it is that Mexicans have to work dangerous jobs in America. He did not mention they flee his country by the millions to find a job and not live in fear of drug cartels. I realize this is tragic loss of life, but for the president of Mexico to criticize work conditions here seems a bit duplicitous at best. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentonMakes Posted March 27 Share #77 Posted March 27 14 minutes ago, Ralphie said: I keep picturing Ted Knight and Rodney Dangerfield in Caddieshack. "Hey, you scratched my anchor!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors Edge ★ Posted March 27 Share #78 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, jsharr said: I realize this is tragic loss of life, but for the president of Mexico to criticize work conditions here seems a bit duplicitous at best. I think it is common knowledge we export the guns to the cartels and then pay them to ship drugs in return. It's sort of duplicitous at best to think Mexico's problems are not in a large part caused by US decisions. More than enough crap to go around. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 27 Share #79 Posted March 27 I had read that it was originally supposed to be a tunnel instead of a bridge, but that idea was overruled for budgetary reasons. I had also read that the engineers were taking bets as to how long before a ship caused it to collapse when it was first built. People should listen to engineers more often, I feel. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted March 27 Share #80 Posted March 27 Vancouver simply confirmed, the container ship travelling in area of Port of Vancouver, must have by federal law, escort (tug boat) service. Bridge safety in Metro Vancouver questioned after Baltimore ship strike, collapse (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottleshead ★ Posted March 27 Share #81 Posted March 27 2 hours ago, Randomguy said: I had read that it was originally supposed to be a tunnel instead of a bridge, but that idea was overruled for budgetary reasons. I had also read that the engineers were taking bets as to how long before a ship caused it to collapse when it was first built. People should listen to engineers more often, I feel. Boeing stopped listening to them and look what's happened. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12string Posted March 27 Share #82 Posted March 27 2 hours ago, Randomguy said: I had read that it was originally supposed to be a tunnel instead of a bridge, but that idea was overruled for budgetary reasons. I had also read that the engineers were taking bets as to how long before a ship caused it to collapse when it was first built. People should listen to engineers more often, I feel. Yeah, I'm hearing a lot of things that people are hearing...... I'd wager that ANY suspension bridge in the world is going down if a 100,000 ton cargo ship rams it's support dead on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted March 27 Share #83 Posted March 27 Two bodies recovered. Sounds like conditions are not all that safe for the divers. @Zephyr, hopefully they will err on the side of safety and not have any one else injured or killed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted March 28 Share #84 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Airehead said: Two bodies recovered. Sounds like conditions are not all that safe for the divers. @Zephyr, hopefully they will err on the side of safety and not have any one else injured or killed. At this point they are not saving anyone. A common rule in these circumstances is "You don't make a body to get a body" I certainly hope they are being careful 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur ★ Posted March 28 Share #85 Posted March 28 52 minutes ago, Zephyr said: "You don't make a body to get a body" In my air ambulance days I constantly asked the government dispatchers what the severity of the case was. I would remind them there was no point in killing a crew of 5 highly trained specialists to save one that could wait until morning. It wasn't until a crew was actually killed in Masset that they reconsidered their safety parameters. That was forced by the BC paramedics union. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted March 28 Share #86 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Zephyr said: At this point they are not saving anyone. A common rule in these circumstances is "You don't make a body to get a body" I certainly hope they are being careful Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted March 28 Share #87 Posted March 28 5 hours ago, 12string said: I'd wager that ANY suspension bridge in the world is going down if a 100,000 ton cargo ship rams it's support dead on. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikeguy Posted March 28 Share #88 Posted March 28 On 3/26/2024 at 7:52 AM, TrentonMakes said: In the collapse video there are clearly at least four work vehicles with yellow flashing lights on the span. Yeah I noticed that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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