Popular Post petitepedal ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Popular Post Share #1 Posted March 25, 2022 Last year at this time..I discovered about 100 hours of PTO had vanished ..via lots of questions..come to find out company policy changed..and we weren't notified...because of covid...I had lots of hours left..but old policy allowed us to carry as much as 2 full years and we got 1 year of PTO on our hire date. Well, now we can only carry over 40 and it starts accruing on your hire anniversary Long story short in late September, I was told they would get me my 100 hours back..then the guy was let go..and it's been hanging. Come to this anniversary...I told my boss when we hired MiniMe...that I wasn't gonna make the 40 hour limit because I was not about to abandon a new employee..So..on my anniversary..I lost another 39 hours. Wrote it all down presented it to my boss with 2 options...add the days to my payroll calendar so I can use and track them...or...pay me for them...a little over 3 weeks worth..Because they carried over 40 hours...I still have 6 weeks of vacation...looks like I might get the cash.... The boss seemed to think that would be easiest. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rattlecan ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Popular Post Share #2 Posted March 25, 2022 I thought this was going to be about a farm implement malfunction. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted March 25, 2022 Share #3 Posted March 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Rattlecan said: I thought this was going to be about a farm implement malfunction. PTOs are pretty hard to misplace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR46 Posted March 25, 2022 Share #4 Posted March 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Rattlecan said: I thought this was going to be about a farm implement malfunction. That's what I was thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Allen ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Popular Post Share #5 Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Kzoo said: PTOs are pretty hard to misplace. Says the man who never got the bush hog stuck in the swamp. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsharr ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #6 Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Kzoo said: PTOs are pretty hard to misplace. Once you take the power off seems it would be easy to lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted March 25, 2022 Share #7 Posted March 25, 2022 One good thing about CA’s very employee friendly labor laws is use it or lose it is illegal. If the company offers PTO it’s considered income which can’t be taken back. When I left that Job where the Western Region VP was driving me crazy I had 120 hours of unused vacation. The company was based out of St Louis & tried to implement their use it or lose it policy. They were pissed that they had to pay it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted March 25, 2022 Share #8 Posted March 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Allen said: Says the man who never got the bush hog stuck in the swamp. It might be up to its splines with gators but you still knew where it was. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parr8hed Posted March 25, 2022 Share #9 Posted March 25, 2022 6 hours ago, BR46 said: That's what I was thinking Same, same. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #10 Posted March 25, 2022 I'll bet the CEO got his though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Wheels Posted March 25, 2022 Share #11 Posted March 25, 2022 Sounds frustrating. If Cheese were here, he'd offer his barristers services. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #12 Posted March 25, 2022 I think I've told this story before. Where I worked was purchased by a stockholder owned company in California. They designed a performance bonus structure for us that involved meeting delivery requirements on sales. We beat that with some effort by all and were paid the bonus in year one. In year two the company informed us that the bonus structure seemed too easy and they recalculated it's rules. No worker bees ever qualified for a bonus again and the CEO and board were all issued a hefty stock bonus for cutting costs. There are lots of stories like yours and that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #13 Posted March 25, 2022 Quote No worker bees ever qualified for a bonus again and the CEO and board were all issued a hefty stock bonus for cutting costs They changed the name of it from bonus to bone-us. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #14 Posted March 25, 2022 12 hours ago, Rattlecan said: I thought this was going to be about a farm implement malfunction. We make shafts for the Dana Chelsea PTOs. Now their owned by Parker Hannifin, but some parts are still marked w/ CHELSEA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #15 Posted March 25, 2022 12 hours ago, petitepedal said: carry over we can't carry any over, or get paid for unused. So it's use em or lose em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted March 25, 2022 Share #16 Posted March 25, 2022 That will be a nice windfall, @petitepedal. It’s not the same as a few days of rest and travel. Invested wisely, you could make 15-20% on it within a year, and then go to Costs Rica for some actual rest and relaxation. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted March 25, 2022 Share #17 Posted March 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, bikeman564™ said: we can't carry any over, or get paid for unused. So it's use em or lose em. This was my experience. I retired with over 400 hours of unused leave. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #18 Posted March 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, MoseySusan said: This was my experience. I retired with over 400 hours of unused leave. Prior to 2009, we were able to cash unused hours out, but that changed. My step-dad retired from Detroit Edison, and when he worked, employees could bank hours til retirement. Then they would get paid at their current rate. Or, you could use it to retire early. He said some guys retired with a huge check. But I don't know if banking is allowed now, probably not I'd say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoo Posted March 25, 2022 Share #19 Posted March 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, MoseySusan said: you could make 15-20% on it within a year, and then go to Costs Rica Costco for some actual rest and relaxation toilet paper. Get real... FIFY 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted March 25, 2022 Share #20 Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, maddmaxx said: I think I've told this story before. Where I worked was purchased by a stockholder owned company in California. They designed a performance bonus structure for us that involved meeting delivery requirements on sales. We beat that with some effort by all and were paid the bonus in year one. In year two the company informed us that the bonus structure seemed too easy and they recalculated it's rules. No worker bees ever qualified for a bonus again and the CEO and board were all issued a hefty stock bonus for cutting costs. There are lots of stories like yours and that. Most of the firms I worked for had some sort of measurable performance based bonus system. All but one company the bonus was attainable given you made the established metrics. But one company had a bonus system that was impossible to meet and in the 7 years I worked there nobody ever bonused. Yet every year at our management meetings they would lament about the high turnover in management and ask for suggestions on how to retain talent. Me: How about a streamlined bonus structure based on measurable metrics like profit improvement, client retention & low staff turnover? Great input Chris, we’ll consider that. No change to bonus & the next year 2/3 of the room are new managers & they are lamenting about the high turnover again… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #21 Posted March 25, 2022 39 minutes ago, MoseySusan said: This was my experience. I retired with over 400 hours of unused leave. You needed to take ten weeks of sick leave your last ten weeks because you were sick of work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Far ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #22 Posted March 25, 2022 Yeah, I'd be apoplectic about 140 hours of lost PTO. 3.25 years ago we got a new umbrella/corporate vacay/PTO policy. I was under 5 years so I went from 10 hrs vacay & 5 sick days to 12 day PTO. They trumpeted this as an improvement. 5 year anniversary, no 5 day bump. Query. "That policy was never approved by the President. You have to wait to 10 years to get 3rd week". WTF? Did you announce a withdrawal/change? No. What's the policy? We're working on that. Still no policy. Locally, we just have an "agreement". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #23 Posted March 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Kzoo said: It might be up to its splines with gators but you still knew where it was. Says the man who never started their stroll across the swamp with two boots, and finished it with one and a leg covered in mud thigh high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #24 Posted March 25, 2022 My company got in trouble by telling us you had to use your vacation or lose it and then when the guys wanted to take vacation they told them They couldn’t. The senior employees had first preference on vacation and they only allowed so many off per week. The younger guys could never get their vacation. Binding arbitration took care of that. A little bit of common sense would have been a lot cheaper. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseySusan Posted March 25, 2022 Share #25 Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Longjohn said: You needed to take ten weeks of sick leave your last ten weeks because you were sick of work. I wasn’t sick of work. I wasn’t sick at all during the last few years. I didn’t take my personal days, either, because leaving sub plans during remote instruction was a non-starter. I sold my prep time to sub for teachers during that year because there was a sub shortage in our district, and it was a day of lost instructional time. I couldn’t bring myself to give up three days of instructional time for whatever. I didn’t need the days off. Piling up sick/personal leave was my hedge in case I got cancer or Covid or some such. I didn’t, and I’m glad I had the days of leave in case I did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longjohn ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #26 Posted March 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, MoseySusan said: I didn’t need the days off. Piling up sick/personal leave was my hedge in case I got cancer or Covid or some such. I didn’t, and I’m glad I had the days of leave in case I did. My wife had lots of PTO time and after she used all of that she went on excellent short term disability that paid almost full pay. When that was used up she went on her company’s long term disability which paid 80% of full pay and it would have run out two days after she died. Because she died while on disability I was surprised by a check made out to me for $5,000 in spousal benefits. She worked for a good employer. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddmaxx ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #27 Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, ChrisL said: Most of the firms I worked for had some sort of measurable performance based bonus system. All but one company the bonus was attainable given you made the established metrics. But one company had a bonus system that was impossible to meet and in the 7 years I worked there nobody ever bonused. Yet every year at our management meetings they would lament about the high turnover in management and ask for suggestions on how to retain talent. Me: How about a streamlined bonus structure based on measurable metrics like profit improvement, client retention & low staff turnover? Great input Chris, we’ll consider that. No change to bonus & the next year 2/3 of the room are new managers & they are lamenting about the high turnover again… Oh. Don't get me wrong. Management always got their bonus checks or stock. They were after all "management". The next cost reduction they got bonus money for was to lay off workers and hire them back as contract workers depeding on the ebb and flow of orders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Kosciuszko Posted March 25, 2022 Share #28 Posted March 25, 2022 I worked for a company that gave everybody the week between Christmas and New Year's off. Except the Facilities group, who worked the whole week, plus overtime, to fix everything that everybody broke during the rest of the year, that they didn't want to shut down because it was too inconvenient. When I was hired I mentioned that everybody - but the Facilities group - was getting paid for doing nothing while we would be working. Got the brush off. So when Christmas rolled around I told HR my group was taking the time off like all the other employees, just like the HR handbook said. No carve out that our group had to work. Panic! "Who's going to fix all the stuff that we broke!" I told HR we'd work, but only if we got paid the same 40 hours everybody else got for doing nothing, plus the time that we were in the plant working, plus time and a half for any hours over 40 (and there were a lot!) Otherwise we'd go home and sit on our butts like the HR manual said we could. HR said they would pay. So we went to work, we worked hard, and we earned our pay. All of it, every penny. My crew was pretty happy that year. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted March 25, 2022 Share #29 Posted March 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, maddmaxx said: Oh. Don't get me wrong. Management always got their bonus checks or stock. They were after all "management". The next cost reduction they got bonus money for was to lay off workers and hire them back as contract workers depeding on the ebb and flow of orders. I always give my team that didn’t bonus cash as I couldn’t have bonused without their help. I usually give them several hundred each. This year my Coordinator quit just before I bonused and my new coordinator hadn’t started yet so I got to keep it all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted March 25, 2022 Share #30 Posted March 25, 2022 I just had a bonus recollection. I worked for a smaller firm that was owned by a crook. He literally ended up in jail after I left. But at a company annual meeting the CFO is going over the financials of all the different groups and none of them qualified for bonus. She then reads off my region’s financials and said congrats Chris, you are the only one who bonused & slides an envelope across the table. The owner in a fit of rage snatched the check off the table. NO!!!! NO Bonus for Chris!!!! Uh why Sam? Your staff overtime is too high. It was 2% below goal. No!!! Whatever dude. I was gone a few weeks later as I knew that firm was a shit show. A few years later he and his henchmen were in Jail for payroll tax fraud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikeman564™ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #31 Posted March 25, 2022 9 hours ago, Parr8hed said: Same, same. For instance, these are two shafts we make 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airehead Posted March 25, 2022 Share #32 Posted March 25, 2022 @petitepedal, was it in your check today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomguy Posted March 25, 2022 Share #33 Posted March 25, 2022 48 minutes ago, Airehead said: @petitepedal, was it in your check today? Yeah, I want to find out what happened! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petitepedal ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Author Share #34 Posted March 25, 2022 I will be talking to the HR person on Monday...per the email I got today..which is further than it's gone before 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlecan ★ Posted March 25, 2022 Share #35 Posted March 25, 2022 5 hours ago, bikeman564™ said: For instance, these are two shafts we make That looks like one you would mount to a truck transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingstar Posted March 26, 2022 Share #36 Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, petitepedal said: I will be talking to the HR person on Monday...per the email I got today..which is further than it's gone before I hope you get it. 9 hours ago, MoseySusan said: I wasn’t sick of work. I wasn’t sick at all during the last few years. I didn’t take my personal days, either, because leaving sub plans during remote instruction was a non-starter. I sold my prep time to sub for teachers during that year because there was a sub shortage in our district, and it was a day of lost instructional time. I couldn’t bring myself to give up three days of instructional time for whatever. I didn’t need the days off. Piling up sick/personal leave was my hedge in case I got cancer or Covid or some such. I didn’t, and I’m glad I had the days of leave in case I did. Because of covid and unable to do much "special" with my vacation days, by the end of 2021, I racked up 240 unused vacation hrs. I had already banked 20 hrs. from previous yr. We can only bank up to 200 hrs. of unused vacation at any time. Therefore a person must take the hrs. that spill over the limit or yes, we do get cashed out. The joy of computer software, which tracks the minute details of all this. I don't like wasting vacation days if I don't do anything "different" (even if it's local) or special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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